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Old 03-01-2007, 11:18 AM
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I can't seem to get the search engine working correctly, so I'll just ask.

What is a Zip Kit?

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Old 03-01-2007, 11:22 AM
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T-1 Kit, The one kit.

What it does is it transforms your spyder into a FASOR type gun (Forward Air Spring Operated Return or something along those lines). Its like a timmy, but rather than having air move the bolt/ram back and forth, the air only pushes the bolt/ram forwards, while a spring pushes them back. The wrath, Dangerous Power Fusion, The One Dragun and a few others all operate in this way.

Might want to talk to ace about it, he spent quite a while working on his T-1'd Fenix.
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Old 03-01-2007, 11:37 AM
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thankyou.
So if I understand correctly, the kit changes the function from blow back to spring back.

What does this do? Does it make the marker reload/recock faster?

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Old 03-01-2007, 11:48 AM
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Well, with the ZIP kit, your gun becomes electro pneumatic. It'll run at around 200 psi, so its quiet, its also consistent. But in reality, its probably not much better than a well tuned LP Spyder, then again, neither is an Ion.

Compared to a normal spyder, it'll be accurate, consistent, quiet and potentially have less issues dealing with recocking problems. However, it needs to be used with HPA.

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Imagine that, but instead of air pushing the ram back, theres a spring.
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Would a FASOR cycle faster than a full EP gun?
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Old 03-01-2007, 12:52 PM
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It can probably cycle at 25 with upgrades. Mine can do 20 stock.
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But in reality, its probably not much better than a well tuned LP Spyder, then again, neither is an Ion.
I would disagree, it is a lot better than a well tuned lp spyder and its alot cheaper.
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Old 03-01-2007, 12:54 PM
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umm ??
Would the boys notice any difference in performance?
I have already otterized all of my sons markers and we are already on HPA good info thanx
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Old 03-01-2007, 01:03 PM
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No. Sadly, the spring keeps the gun from cycling as fast as just air. You need a qev to cycle above 15 cps with a FASOR and max CPS is definitely lower than that of a timmy, though there aren't any real other differences.

08Lud08, my imagine has no kick and can cycle as fast as any other gun out there. Its also dead on accurate, so pray tell, how is a FASOR way better?
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Old 03-01-2007, 01:36 PM
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My gun doesn't have a qev and shoots 20bps stock. I put my gun on auto 20 and it shoots 20 auto with my eyes off and paint but my gun is an odyssey o2 so it has a different noid than a t-1. It has the same noid as a wrath. The problem Ive heard with t-1s are they have bad noids so that may be the cycling problem.

If your spyder has almost nothing stock and all good quality parts then I would just stick to that. if your planning on going lp and you want to have a good quality lp gun like hob's its gonna cost alot unless you already have the parts.


hob Im saying its better becasue of price.
05 Imagine - $65
Palmer stabilizer - $100
Maddman Rocket valve - $40
Trinity Front block - $30
IPS Sunbear Bolt - $49.99
Dark Horizon titanium striker - $39.95
WorrGas 50/3000 + redz cover - $60

Thats about $324 without the tank. A fasor cost about $150 and has almost the same quality plus you'll never have recocking problems.
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Old 03-01-2007, 02:50 PM
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ok I understand how the Zip kit works
I think I'll save some money and not go this route.

I'm very pleased with the way our markers are working. I guess we have to find something else to do with the spare parts.

Hob .. thanx for the diagram, as they say "a pic is worth a thousand words"

Otter .. (if your around) I've read your pages but my son has memorized them. KUDO's

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