ion..shocker

[applesauce]

what are the stock differences in these guns, beisdes the milling?

[DyNasty9]

shocker>ion
shocker is lighter. and faster out of the box. shocker has vision eye(bounce beam)
the ion is a little heavyer some people say it feels like a toy in there hands. has break beam eyes.

if your going to say o so basically one lighter then the other and there the same gun your wrong. they feel totally different when you hold them and shoot them.

[vikingshadow]

I despise these threads. It ALWAYS leads to a humongous debate on the virtues of the Ion, with Ion owners feeling the need to defend their guns. Plus, this topic has been done to death. Just look around on ANY forum and you'll find it. Plus, I feel a lot of people bring them up JUST to start the problems that it invariably brings.

Now, I won't go so far as to blurt out the Shocker is better than the Ion, but in my opinion, I prefer the Shocker over the Ion, but that's it - my opinion. Keep in mind that Smart Parts DID NOT build the Ion as a replacement for the Shocker, so the debate is useless, in my opinion. However, there are a lot of pro's and con's for each gun and a search will help you find those. In my opinion, the research that a person puts into it will yield the results that person is looking for.

Effort = results, in case you were wondering what I meant.

Let's keep this friendly today, boys and girls!

[Frat]

Vike is pretty accurate with his description. I own an Ion and have played with the shocker a bit. The Ion is a little simpler design which I like and while it can be modded to compete with the shocker by the time you put the money into it you might as well have bought a shocker. The shocker being more complex is a draw back (simpler is better) but they will perform out of the box. I can't say too much about the Shocker reg but my Ions reg almost got replaced. Mine took a case and a half to two cases to get broken in. It is very consistent now and I will keep it. You need to decide what you want out of the gun before you buy. I went with the Ion because I wanted to use the Spec Ops Black Cell components to make the perfect woodsball gun which I think I have done. If you are playing x-ball go for the shocker. By the time you put a new barrel, board and what ever other mods you will be pretty close to or above the cost of a shocker. I have over $600 in my Ion and I bargain shop so i could have easily had $800 or more.

[claustrophobia9]

shocker > ion. ion design > shocker design

but designs arent performance... and all of the ups that are currently being released for ions are sub-par.

[vikingshadow]

Originally Posted by Frat

Vike is pretty accurate with his description.

To clarify, I had a different post with more to it, but in the interest of fostering patience and kindness, I deleted it. I didn't say anything bad whatsoever, but I didn't want to get involved in the big stuff that's coming.

[TheRedBarron]

I would simply like to state ups and downs to each...

Shocker Ups...

Weight/size, Aluminum (although crappy still better then plastic), stock barrel, trigger, feedneck (I wouldnt go by the feedneck either way), stock board, noid, detents, stock ASA, removable VA (whatever floats your boat eh?), feel.

Downs
Poor air routing IMO, without HE tis a gas hog, reg is muy horrible, bouncebeam (although some would argue it is still better) the anno and the aluminum are seriously sub par (bothers me more then it is really a downside)

Ion Ups

Weight/size (not better then a shocker but still rather small and light), ease of use for a EP gun, Breakbeam eyes, price of course, parts are cheap and readily available, stock reg is the best SP has ever put out (sad but true), you cannot hurt it (excellent backup that you almost abuse)

Downs

Stock trigger, Barrel, Feedneck, Board, no QEV when one is needed, Stock ASA, integrated frame and VA, Plastic, eyes although a plus in one aspect do not seem to work properly, crappy detents, everyone has one ( i guess that could be considered bad) feel.

Most of this is based on the technical aspect of the gun and not the actual shooting, IMO a stock shocker shoots more smoothly, and more consistantly then a stock Ion, although if you are really just looking for a backup gun if you replace the barrel, trigger, feedneck and ASA (and add a QEV) and Ion is perfect for you, if you are looking for a main gun, look at the shocker it will be cheaper in the end.

[thechubbss12]

IMO Shocker has a better Noid... everything else has been listed....

[Sandman_Bravo]

Well I guess I need to apologize for starting that thread earlier on this topic.

http://www.spyder.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=4464

I did it in the interest in gaining some knowledge and insight to help me make a purchase decision. I didn't realize it had been done to death (should have searched - reads own sig) and don't want any Ion owners to feel they need to defend their gun. Quite the opposite, they should be proud that a marker in that price range can be compared to an upper end one.

[druid]

I don't need to defend my 'gun'....it defends me nicely...and speaks louder than Claus