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Old 12-29-2005, 09:06 PM
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Default Phantom vs. Pump Cocker

Which do you prefer and why? I've decided I need one, after using my friend's pump everytime we play (which is now a chromed out Dye Carter ).

I'm leaning towards the pump cocker right now because I can build it for under $200, and the VSC Phantom setup with stock runs about $350.
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:14 PM
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Default Re: Phantom vs. Pump Cocker

Well, the phantom would be lighter and more efficient. But the Cocker would be cheaper, tho you could find VSC setups with stock for cheaper than $350. thats a little steep.
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:58 PM
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Default Re: Phantom vs. Pump Cocker

I haven't seem them any cheaper then $330-$350 for what I want brand new, who has them cheaper then Wevo?
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:27 PM
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Default Re: Phantom vs. Pump Cocker

I didn't like the pump on my Phantom. It was a pretty stiff pull I thought. Maybe QAZ will chime in on this, he owned the Phantom after me, and has had a few since, so he can speak on whether that was a normal thing or not. I just thought it was insanely tough. I mean, I'd have the stock against my shoulder, and pump it and the barrel would move so much I'd lose my line of sight. From what I've heard, the CCM pump kits on cockers are very smooth, probably a ton better than my Phantom was.
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Old 12-30-2005, 04:26 AM
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Default Re: Phantom vs. Pump Cocker

If you have can come up with good deal's for a cocker and pump kit then you might want to shoot for that. You don't see too many vsc phantom's under $300 even used one's!

I'm on my third phantom and had one sniper 2 (cocker with pump kit). The sniper 2 I had a CCM pump kit on it and the pump stroke was very smooth. I added a return spring to it which took away from the smoothness a little but not much. I liked it but just didn't need it at the time!

The pump stroke on Phantom's is a little rougher than most I believe but it can be fixed! Adjusting the nut at the end of the pump arm help's. Also polishing the internal's help's out quite a bit. My teammate also told me to cut two ring's off of the return spring help's also. The reasoning for the pump stroke on a phantom to not be as smooth is because there is only one arm attached to the bolt. When you go to pump it you are actually putting force on the bolt and twisting it a little hence the resistance! But if you do those few thing's I believe the stroke turn's out great. I have no complaint's about the pump stroke on my last two phantom's once I tinkered with them!

I personally would look around and try and find a good deal on a phantom or sniper 2 and just bounce on the best deal you can find.

When I went down to Nashville, TN to play with my teammates a guy was there with a 02 bodied cocker (matte black color), 72/4500 stubby, 45 round hopper and just the wgp pump kit which is the cheaper pump kit. That thing was sweet and extremely light! Heck you can pick up 02 vf bodies for a little over $100 buck's now!

How far are you and Metro away from Columbus, OH? There's a whole crew of guy's up there balling with pump's! I'm gonna make the trip up to play with them sometime soon it would be cool if you two could meet up! Actually one guy is getting ready to host a pump tourney in March I think!

G my silver one just needed some tinkering. Needed a little bit of oil on top of the bolt and just adjusted the nut back to lighten the spring and it was pretty nice. My teammate that I traded with for a black one polished the internal's and now it's even nicer. Just the little thing's can make a world of a difference.

Honestly after having various traccer's, phantom's, sniper's and even a sterling I've noticed I never pay attention to the pump stroke while in a game only when I'm tinkering with it.
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Old 12-30-2005, 06:53 AM
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http://invisionfree.com/forums/Stock...howtopic=11103
VSC phantom for sale with a ton of goodies! Trust this guy! He's one of the promoter's for the Southeast pump league series! He's sponsored by Arrow Precision(Sterling's) now and can't use a phantom. It's a pretty good deal and I'm sure knowing him it is in great condition! JB.
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Old 12-30-2005, 08:05 AM
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Default Re: Phantom vs. Pump Cocker

JB pretty much summed it up pretty good, but I'll throw in my 2c

I've owned both, and I personally like the sniper, due to the smoother pump stroke and its weight. I like the feel of a heaver gun, thus increasing my comfort with a Sniper. Phantoms of course will be more efficient with 12g, and they have one of the best customer service in the market. I guess you can say Snipers have that "customablility" (sp?) factor, where you can pretty much change anything you wanted to it.

People complain how stiff the phantom's pump stroke is, but like JB also said, you don't really care about the pump stroke during the game, just when your tinkering with it.
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Old 12-30-2005, 08:09 AM
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Default Re: Phantom vs. Pump Cocker

And really as far as the pump stroke goes. It's not really a pull it's more of a snap well for me anyway's. Usually during a snapshot I try to get two shot's off and to do that I gotta snap that arm back quick, fast in a hurry so it's just so quick you just don't think about it.

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Old 12-30-2005, 11:49 AM
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Default Re: Phantom vs. Pump Cocker

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Originally Posted by phatphil
I haven't seem them any cheaper then $330-$350 for what I want brand new, who has them cheaper then Wevo?
O, sorry, i was talking about used ones.
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Old 12-30-2005, 02:14 PM
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Default Re: Phantom vs. Pump Cocker

I love the Phantom for its light weight, efficiency, and accuracy. I love the Sniper because it handles just like any other semi, and you can use most of the gear/upgrades you may already own with it (cocker barrels, hoppers, regs, etc...). Not to mention you can piece one together for dirt cheap these days. All boils down to personal pref. though. Depends on your budget and what you like.

If you're considering a Sniper or a Phantom, let me throw another name into the mix. Have you considered a Sterling?
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