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Old 03-25-2006, 05:09 PM
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Default So Tim and I were debating...

...I made the suggestion that I install this adjustable type (not necessarily THIS one...one that threads into an asa....)TANK REGULATOR onto the the 114/45 I got for my Ion. Then adjust the main flow down to around 350/400 psi and then the reg breaks that down to the 165 input psi into the marker.

The debate is this...I maintain that the general output is 850 psi...it goes into the reg that retards it to the 165 psi that the marker uses. That leaves 685 psi lost between the tank reg and the vertical reg. Wouldn't it be better or more efficient to lower that to about double what the marker uses instead of 4 times the amount?
Tim says no (and wasn't nice about it)

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Old 03-25-2006, 05:11 PM
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Default Re: So Tim and I were debating...

Bah, it doesn't lose it, it's only held back by the regulator.....The only plus of using a Maxxy is if you get a gas-thru grip and use the Maxxy as your main regulator because of it's consistency.

And yes, I was being nice.
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Old 03-25-2006, 06:10 PM
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13 views and only one response (from the guy debating me, no less )?!?!?!?
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Old 03-25-2006, 08:01 PM
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Default Re: So Tim and I were debating...

Tim's right... There's no loss of air...
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Old 03-26-2006, 09:47 AM
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Default Re: So Tim and I were debating...

heh .. yeah .. thats what i thought ... it goes back into the tank ...
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Old 03-26-2006, 10:59 AM
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Default Re: So Tim and I were debating...

I agree, the tank doesn't lose air. I have a thought but I'm having a hard time getting out - I know, I know....since when does that happen! I'll get back with ya when I can make better sense of it in my own mind...
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Old 03-26-2006, 01:02 PM
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Default Re: So Tim and I were debating...

let me try to rephrase ^^^....

My thought is that my Ion runs at 165 psi...so why have the bottle reg run at 850? Theorhettically, if I reduced the psi at the bottle reg to half that...say 425 or so...it's less pressure on the macro and everything between the bottle and reg...and since less air is being released from the tank, less air is apt to be wasted/lost due to the QEV/bleed systems on the marker. I'm also thinking that since the pressure to my CP inline will be less, the reg has to do half the work (since it's holding back half the air) and should be more reliable/consistant at the chrono, as well as overall air usage. Thoughts?
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Old 03-26-2006, 07:23 PM
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Default Re: So Tim and I were debating...

i have to agree with your idea.. it would make sense but im not sure how much of a difference it would make.
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Default Re: So Tim and I were debating...

As long as your tank had enough flow through it to sustain rates of fire, it would only allow you to have less wear on your regulator internals. Not a very big deal, and deffinately not worth the $150-200 for a tank with an adjustable regulator.
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Old 03-26-2006, 10:24 PM
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Default Re: So Tim and I were debating...

You're confused with the role of a QEV... QEV's allow the ram to vent air closer to the source, rather than piping back to the solenoid... They deal with air that's already in the gun... As far as bleed systems go... WTF? Haha there aren't really any bleed systems outside of SP regs that autobleed when you lower the pressure you you don't have to fire to get the lower pressure... 1) Generally higher pressure input is going to equate to higher flow on the secondary regulator... There are a few notable exceptions like the Evolve Pi reg, which simply sucks at high pressures, but blows everything away at low. It's an oddball... If you care to take a look at how regulators actually work, you'll see that regulators don't really do any work persay... But yeah... It's a closed system until the air is released by firing processes. I don't know if I'd say it to your face 'cause you're such a big guy, but you're wrong


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