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Old 03-24-2006, 07:18 AM
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Alright so I've been watching a lot of paintball tournament clip's today and some just really tick me off. I'll never get it.

In one clip two guy's in the opposite team were in the snake one proceed's to bunker the other and take's a shot to the side of his goggles. He does shoot out the other guy and is trying fiercely to distract the ref pulling the other guy when the ref notices the hit on his goggles. The ref start's pulling him and the guy flip's out asking the ref what he think's he's doing. Now why would he do that knowing he can't see out of the right side of his goggle's. Is the will to win that important?

Another note at an ending of a game a guy has an extremely small patch of paint on his pod pack. No shell just a dab of paint and it honestly looked old. The ref's called it clean but the other team went nut's over it saying he should be out. The reffed called it clean and yeah sometimes thing's need to be disputed but it was obvious that it wasn't a hit and was rather old but the team was stopping at nothing to get him out just to get the point.

I just don't get it and never will.

Is it that important to cheat and sway the ref's and fight call's to win?
Should there be more penalties toward the aggression toward's ref's?

Discuss.

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Old 03-24-2006, 07:23 AM
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i say the refs normally know what theyre doing, and players should be penalyzed somehow for fighting with him. however, there should be a system where officials can change a refs call if it was obviously a bad call.
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Old 03-24-2006, 07:24 AM
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Pros teams will stop at nothing to win a match. They get in the reffs face all the time and don't stop. The penalties would help a little but not very much. They are still gunna do it wheather they get penatalized or not. Whining complaing and fight are now a part of tournament paintball. It's sad to say but it was bound to happen once the prizes got better and better.
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Old 03-24-2006, 08:25 AM
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next, they're going to inject steroids directly into paintballs...
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Old 03-24-2006, 06:47 PM
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And it continues.....
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An Important Message from the PSP

Several incidents at the 2006 PSP Texas Open have put a black spot on the sport of paintball. The conduct of teams and players may have reached an all-time low in and around this event.



Based on the number of incidents and the damage caused, both financially and to the reputation of paintball tournaments in general, I have decided to take unprecedented action in hopes of deterring players and teams from making the same mistakes in the future. These intolerable incidents affect the outcome of tournaments as well as the finances of the PSP and ultimately the finances of all teams, vendors, and sponsors involved in the tournament. They also affect the reputation of the sport of paintball and the ability of the PSP and other tournament organizers to find and secure desirable venues.

I feel it is time to hold people accountable for their immature, selfish, and irresponsible actions.

Over the past 5 months, PSP had been engaged in ongoing talks with the Marriott Corporation about future involvement with tournament paintball. The talk had progressed slowly, but steadily. Significant efforts on both sides were destroyed by the actions of teams staying in Marriott hotels in the Austin area during our Texas event.

The day after our staff returned from the event, we were contacted by Marriott and advised that they were not only uninterested in any additional talks, but that they were also letting their hotels in the area of our future events know not to book rooms for paintball teams or players.

This loss of a possible huge outside sponsor and hotel partner was brought about by the selfish acts of several teams who stayed at various Marriott hotels during the event. I have a list of names of people who booked the rooms that were damaged. I have cross referenced these names with the ID system. Until the teams provide the names of those specific individuals who caused the damage, every player on the roster of these teams will be suspended from PSP events.

Members of Team Demolition, Choppapb.com, Anarchy, Infinity, and Montage will be suspended for various lengths of time ranging from 1 tournament to a lifetime ban from PSP events. These suspensions stem from various degrees of damage done to the rooms and facilities of a Marriott hotel in which they were guests. Some of the people on these teams are responsible for the breaking off of talks between PSP and the Marriott Corporation regarding future rate deals, sponsorship, and additional involvement between the two companies.

Team Clutch won the Division 3 Xball tournament. They did so with an illegal roster. This was not simply an oversight, but was a deliberate act of manipulating the ID system, and submitting misleading information in order to have members of the team’s classification dropped. Part of this problem stems from the staff believing the stories
told to them and consequently dropping players’ classifications. The other part of this problem was the deliberate and intentional misrepresentation of identity in order to have a team compete below its rightful level. At no point in the future will any player’s classification be changed regardless of circumstances. There is no need for any player to contact anyone in PSP with a request for classification change from this point on. It will not happen.

While I am certain that not all members of the team had prior knowledge of the scheme, I am left with no reasonable choice but to hold all accountable to some degree. The team has been stripped of all points from the Texas event. Several members of the team will be suspended from PSP events for 3 events. Others will be suspended for 1 year. Two individuals will be suspended for life. Adjustments will be made in terms of payout of prizes and distribution of tournament seed points toward year-end standings for the other teams in their division.

On Sunday, Todd Martinez decided to take a PSP-rented golf cart for a joy ride through the awards ceremony. He crashed the golf cart into the guide wires anchoring one of the tripod poles, which hold the net up on the NXL field. The tripod pole was bent and is no longer usable. The golf cart was damaged and PSP has been billed for the repairs. He will be suspended from play for 1 year. He must reimburse PSP for the damages to the golf cart before he will be allowed on the property of any future PSP event.

Here is the list of suspensions handed out to players/teams from the Texas event.

Billy York – probation
Trent Wilson – probation
Grover Srader – probation
Michael Fitzpatrick – probation
Jesse Babb – 1 year suspension
Tanner Russell – Lifetime ban from PSP events
Daniel Orren – 1 year suspension
Adam/Donald/DJ Thomsen – Lifetime ban from PSP events
Todd Martinez – 1 year suspension and reimbursement of costs for damage

The following is the list of players whose teams caused considerable damage and disruption to one of the hotels. PSP has no way of determining specifically which of the individuals on these teams who rented the rooms is ultimately responsible for the unacceptable actions. We are aware of the particular rooms that had damage, as well as the acts of outright stupidity that occurred. Thus, we are holding all members of the teams on which the players who rented the rooms are rostered accountable for the actions of their teammates.

At this point in time, the following players are suspended indefinitely. As more specific information becomes available, there may be changes made in regard to the duration of suspensions for individual players.

Team Demolition
CJ Botsalas
Travis Arango
Chad Bustere
Ryan Currie
Ramzi El-Yousef
Graydon Gesner
Dana Klibanoff
John Ossian
Daniel Riney
Arroldo Silva
Alex Spence
Erik Taylor

Choppapb.com
Josh Harper
James Harwood
Corey Jones
Andrew Macaluso
Aaron McCorkle
Robert Mcleod
Corey Neal
Zack Piper
Myles Vann
Richie Wade
Travis Walsh
Daniel Watson
Duane Watson

Anarchy
Adam Hagar
Mason Kane
Devin Peithmann
Cody Rich
Dan Riha

Infinity
Christopher Bobell
Robert Hamski
Pete Montero
Nick Sandalena
Robert Signor
Domencia Steele

I hope this message gets to the teams and players in the vein that it was intended. I would be remiss in my duties as the head of the world’s largest tournament league if I let these types of actions continue unpunished. The result of the misdeeds of players at this past event goes far beyond the scope of most players’ knowledge. We are losing sponsorship. We are losing respect. We are now losing the ability for teams to stay at hotels of their choice simply because they are related to the sport of paintball. If we decide to have another event in Texas, the PSP will not be able to rent equipment from the most reasonable vendor, making production of the event much more difficult. Other Texas paintball events may have to face these same issues. It is a very real possibility that no paintball players will be able to stay at Marriott Hotels in the future.

This is a simple message – players and teams competing in PSP events will be held accountable for their actions and the actions of their teammates and others involved with their team. Heed the warning!

Lane Wright
CEO/President
Paintball Sports Promotions
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Old 03-24-2006, 06:57 PM
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can i get a tldr?
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Old 03-24-2006, 06:58 PM
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wow that thing about t-money is pretty stupid/weird. cant believe he did that.
on the subject of the refs and players fighting i think as long as the player doesnt touch/or shoot the ref it should be alowed to argue a call, but if the player goes over the top swearing and stuff i think he should recieve some punishment.
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Old 03-24-2006, 07:11 PM
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Sorry there's no way I can do a tldr to that unless I make a tldr to my initial tldr which then would be too long to read also.

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Old 03-24-2006, 09:41 PM
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Personally I dont feel that ANY PLAYER should be allowed to question a Ref call in ANY degree. I feel that if there is a dispute...it should be made by an OFF FIELD coach of some sort ONLY, and OFF the playing field all together. The field is a place for competition between the players...not between the players and the ref's.

BTW...the ref's can eject a player for argueing....and ultimately, the ref's are to blame for letting this issue go un-challanged for so long that it has become an acceptable part of the game to argue with the ref's (and yes...I ref tourneys often...and share some blame as well).

Bad calls happen..there is ALOT going on out there on the field during a game. No man is perfect (PB ref's are as close as it gets though!!...lol). Get over it...move on. Every team gets their share of good AND bad calls.
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Old 03-25-2006, 12:14 AM
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Personally I dont feel that ANY PLAYER should be allowed to question a Ref call in ANY degree. I feel that if there is a dispute...it should be made by an OFF FIELD coach of some sort ONLY, and OFF the playing field all together. The field is a place for competition between the players...not between the players and the ref's.
I disagree. All too often you run into Ref's that have friends on teams...are teammates off-season and end up being biased or "don't see" what they are supposed to. Couple the fact that they already have a God complex...now, give them complete autonomy?...I say no.
BTW...the ref's can eject a player for argueing....and ultimately, the ref's are to blame for letting this issue go un-challanged for so long that it has become an acceptable part of the game to argue with the ref's (and yes...I ref tourneys often...and share some blame as well).
Very true...the Ref's that allow it to happen are either A) scared; B) Too small/young to do anything about it at that time when everyone's adrenalin is spiked; C) playing favorites; D) Don't care for one reason or another. Everyone is on this 'drama' kick lately and people think it's funny...when it's truly sad.
Bad calls happen..there is ALOT going on out there on the field during a game. No man is perfect (PB ref's are as close as it gets though!!...lol). Get over it...move on. Every team gets their share of good AND bad calls.
Well, I agree with the suspensions as listed above. People (mostly kids) run around thinking they can do whatever they want, whenever they want and deny their accountability in the matter. They try to justify antisocial behavior behind the shroud of 'just having some fun' and really don't care what happens to them...until it's too late. If I were the hotel owner/manager, I'd go after every registered guest that had a damaged room and sue them for the rennovations...then ban them from ever staying at one of my hotels.
...and PSP can try to regulate what happens off-field by enacting these types of punishments...but they really shouldn't have to. They shouldn't be held liable for damages (unless it's in the contract with the hotel) for something out of their immediate control. The guests should be arrested for vandalism, disorderly conduct, public disturbance and other related charges. Put the blame where it belongs...on the snot-nosed punks with no concept of societal decency...
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