Smart Parts "Temporary" Closure

[RSX99]

Good points Druid. Our opinions aren't all that different. Yes companies are greedy. Yes unions are killing both efficiency and the ability to stay competitive. But, NAFTA is really screwing us over in my opinion. And the Feds have done nothing to stifle the loss of American jobs to people who don't speak a lick of English.

Call me old school, but I say drill Alaska and screw the rest of the world. Stop spending billions upon billions in aid across the globe and fix our own country. Help your own people who are struggling to provide for their families. Isolationism ftmfw.

[druid]

Originally Posted by RSX99

Good points Druid. Our opinions aren't all that different. Yes companies are greedy. Yes unions are killing both efficiency and the ability to stay competitive. But, NAFTA is really screwing us over in my opinion. And the Feds have done nothing to stifle the loss of American jobs to people who don't speak a lick of English.

Call me old school, but I say drill Alaska and screw the rest of the world. Stop spending billions upon billions in aid across the globe and fix our own country. Help your own people who are struggling to provide for their families. Isolationism ftmfw.

RSX...you and I are of such close opinions, it's absolutely scary.

My opinion on jobs is...there are tons of jobs to be had - it's just no one wants to DO those jobs. I want a burger...few people want to flip them...etc, etc.

Another issue I find a problem...

The US Government can track "Mad Cow" disease back to the freaking STALL the original specimen was in...

But they can't locate 7 MILLION PLUS-Illegal immigrants and ship them back...
Right there is at LEAST 5 million jobs......

[RSX99]

Don't get me started on illegal immigrants or :soapbox: shall ensue.

[STRIKEFIRST]

We don't manufacturer anything anymore...All our country does is consume. That is a recipe for disaster.

[bigred76]

Paul, how about we bill the Gardners with screwing the paintballers and the banks with the economy? Two different yet related subjects, and I agree that they both have some blame: but for different things. The banks did what banks do: call in their loans. The Gardners made a ****ty business decision to pull out the loan, and then the Gardners did what they do best... they avoided getting screwed by screwing everyone else.

[druid]

Originally Posted by bigred76

Paul, how about we bill the Gardners with screwing the paintballers and the banks with the economy? Two different yet related subjects, and I agree that they both have some blame: but for different things.

1. The banks did what banks do: call in their loans.

2. The Gardners made a ****ty business decision to pull out the loan,

3. and then the Gardners did what they do best... they avoided getting screwed by screwing everyone else.

1. The banks that got caught up in the mortgage fiasco/tank on Wall street has nothing to do with SP. They screwed themselves and THEN called in all loans [to include those with SP]. THAT forced SP to do what they did.

2. I will not argue that SP spread themselves too thin. 3 or 4 markers in the span of about a year/year and a half...that was idiotic. Even MORE idiotic is this constant notion that markers like the LUXE are going to be bought in such high quantities to make it their "bread and butter." That goes for ANYONE...DP, WDP, anyone.

3. If you had a business that cost as much to run as they do/did....YOU would have done the EXACT same thing. Period. Don't say you wouldn't because like them - you wouldn't have had much of a choice.

Whine and complain about SP all you want [all people...not just Tim ] they were a huge contribution to the sport in general. You may not have reaped direct benefits from it...but they helped provide all those Shockers everyone craved at one time, tourney fields, prizes and sponsorships and got a TON of new players [targets for us? ] into the game by way of the Ion, SP8 and SP1 line of markers.

[battlechaser]

Originally Posted by RSX99

A huge banner on the side of the Buffalo Ford plant says otherwise. Maybe they're built in both locations?

That's just a stamping plant, they make parts for the Edge, but it is assembled (built) in Oakville.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Stamping_Plant

[RSX99]

Originally Posted by battlechaser

That's just a stamping plant, they make parts for the Edge, but it is assembled (built) in Oakville.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Stamping_Plant

If we shall nitpick, the frame is produced in Buffalo and final assembly takes place in Canada..

Don't get me going on outsourcing again

[battlechaser]

It's not outsourcing for me.. and Edge's are unibody, the subframe will be made in Buffalo, the main body of the car will be built on the assembly line.


In all seriousness, I know what you're getting at, it's just another instance where someone less, or just as qualified has swooped in an offered a cheaper solution. That's just business though. 60 jobs in the grand scheme of things is nothing, the paper mill my Dad has worked at for the last 36 years is all but toast due to the Bush administration's taxation on Canadian softwood products. The plant used to employ about 2500 workers, last he told me they're down to 500, and he's one of the last two machinists left, and they're taking about axing his department completely now and outsourcing all their machine-work. I really do feel for the families, but if they worked in that industry, they knew it was coming.