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Old 03-11-2006, 09:16 PM
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Default pilot damage after 1500 balls

I bought a pilot last week and shot around 1500 balls when the back (the part that covers the rear of the bolt) broke off the marker and the top cocking bolt bent over enough to scar up the marker body where the bolt comes up through the top of the marker. the marker still shoots but now I have some cosmetic damage I don't like looking at and the top cocking bolt is now very hard to pull out of the bolt.

I disassembled the marker looking for what went wrong and didn't find anything that looked suspicious so I reassembled the marker and continued to shoot paint while looking at the rear of the marker where everything came from together. I noticed that every now and then the bolt would recock with enough force to cause the bolt to protrude out of the back of the marker and I also noticed a white mist coming out of the back also.

it looks like liquid co2 is making its way into the marker causing a violent recocking of the bolt. this violent force caused the bolt to slam into the back of the marker bending the cocking bolt and compressing the acs spring enough to send the rear of the bolt out the rear of the marker breaking the rear bolt cover off of the marker.

has anyone else had this problem with their spyder pilot?
do you think this damage is covered by the warranty?
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Old 03-11-2006, 09:19 PM
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Default Re: pilot damage after 1500 balls

This should be covered in your warranty. Call Kingman up or email them.
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Old 03-11-2006, 09:25 PM
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Default Re: pilot damage after 1500 balls

i sent them an e-mail yesterday only telling them what parts broke and asking where to get replacement parts. if they respond i guess ill ask about the warranty.
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Old 03-11-2006, 10:52 PM
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Default Re: pilot damage after 1500 balls

if they're not free you could always make your own top cocking bolt, and you could just sand the back piece down .. so it's round and not jagged and sharp ...

sounds like blowback though ... try replacing the bolt o-rings and relubing it ...

maybe you could even find a bolt with o-rings in the front
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Old 03-11-2006, 11:28 PM
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Default Re: pilot damage after 1500 balls

chrono your marker...sounds like there's too much air going into it to recock it, causing the bolt to fly back with too much force. You should be LESS THAN 300 fps. 270-280 is the all-around, quasi-official standard.

If that's not it...shorten the back of your bolt by 1/2" if you can
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Old 03-12-2006, 05:38 AM
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Default Re: pilot damage after 1500 balls

it has the acs delrin bolt and has no orings/ no lube. the acs system runs through to the back of the bolt making it impossible to shorten the bolt.

i had the marker set at 270fps according to the chrono at our paintballfield(280limit). i had to cut a couple of coils off of the spring to get it down that low because with the adjustment knob backed out all the way it was still shooting over 300fps.

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Old 03-12-2006, 08:20 AM
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Default Re: pilot damage after 1500 balls

try a new springkit then .. heavy valve, light main .. then that should do the trick
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:21 AM
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Default Re: pilot damage after 1500 balls

I have some of my 32* Springs left if youd like to pm me about it.
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Old 03-22-2006, 08:06 PM
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Default Re: pilot damage after 1500 balls

my friend had almost the same thing happen to his pilot acs. except the bolt wasn't bent or anything. his end cap was practically sheared in half. the wierd thing was, there were no signs of damage to the bolt or the inside of the gun. is this a common problem on new pilot ACS's?
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Old 03-23-2006, 01:23 PM
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Default Re: pilot damage after 1500 balls

I suppose the lack of spring tension could have allowed the violent recock possibly? Buy a 32* spring kit like someone else said, theyre very useful, in fact, it'd be nice if all new markers came with spring kits...
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