What I've been saying all along

[calebh]

Originally Posted by Taillo

I cant ignore the possibility of seeing the martial law beeing declared and allow bush to remain president.

can you say revolution? there's no way that'll happen.

after watching the debate last night, i'm even more set that i'm not voting for either major party.

to a point, i'm with you taillo. i don't agree that this is an intentional conspiracy, but i see no major difference between obama and mccain. on the greater political spectrum, the points they're arguing over are tiny. mccain is a straight up moderate despite his attempts to gather the religious right vote, and obama has gradually moved there since he announced his candidacy, also to try for the religious right vote. several things scare me here. first, palin. second, that such a small group holds so much power over politics in this country. and third, the lack of choice.

isn't this america, where choice is supposed to be everywhere? so why don't we get it in elections? i see this election as a choice between shooting yourself in the left arm or the right arm. obviously, you have a preference, but if you really had a choice, you'd shoot the guy making you choose.

if we really have a choice, we wouldn't get caught up in the idea that we can only vote democrat or republican. just look at all the polls. there's rarely a separate "other" option. it's almost always "obama" "mccain" or "undecided," and sometimes, "other" gets lumped in with "undecided." what if i'm decidedly voting other?

vote for who represents you most, because if you vote for someone who doesn't and they win, you can't really complain when they don't represent you, because you helped put them there.

[Drefish99]

Ehhh last nights debate was dreadful to me. Their back and forth bickering really drove me to not watch them anymore. We should really expect better of the candidates. Especially when they both said in the beginning of all this that they would both take the high road of campaigning and stick with the issues.

I just want to know what you are going to do for me and how are you going to do it. Don't just tell me what you are going to do but how are you going to do it. There is a push and pull effect to all this stuff they are promising. All the promising just leads me to believe I am either going to have less in my pocket or hello socialism from the looks of both candidates.

Ron Paul really looks good right now.

[STRIKEFIRST]

Getting candidates to tell the whole truth and all angles is like..."nailing jello to the wall"

The questions choosen were far from what a town hall style debate is really supposed to be like.

My answer to the last question..."what don't you know and how will you learn it?"

THE ONLY APPROPRIATE ANSWER IMHO IS:

I don't know, what I don't. Because if I knew what I didn't know I would know it!

[Taillo]

what do you think of ron paul and dennis kucinich ?

By the way, Nader is a better choice at this time....

[calebh]

imo...

i like dennis kucinich's policies, but he doesn't seem like a president type. mike gravel had virtually the same ideas (except he supported fairtax) and a much stronger personality.

ron paul is much the same as kucinich, but less whiney, and extremely knowledgeable on the economy.

paul would have been a better choice than kucinich, and mike gravel would have been better than either of them (though with current economic troubles, maybe not). i would have supported any of them for president, however, none of those three are actually running. so nader it is...

[DFSniper]

Originally Posted by Drefish99

Ron Paul really looks good right now.

ron paul has looked good from the beginning.

[spyderfan4271]

The first six years of this administration were not fine! The price of gas broke the $3.00 a gallon barrier prior to a slight decrease in 04 just before the election. The banking problems now are because of Bush's idea to deregulate. Just like when he allowed the beef industry to use downer cows (cattle that could not stand on there own) in meat which lead to a mad cow out break. A president who's stock portfolio wasn't 90% oil and utilities might have looked into price gauging by the oil companies that set record breaking profits. The oil companies have reeped the benifits while assisting in sending this country into a recession. I live in RV and van conversion country and all but one of those factories are closed. The economy has been so bad that at the republican convention mit romney acted as if the democrats had control of the house and senate all seven and a half years of this presidents administration. A war in which we spend 2-3 billion dollars a week has not helped the economy. If the media was as liberial bias as the conservatives claim there would be nightly statements on the news to impeach bush for lying to congress about iraq and his false intelligence. Ken star sifted through clintons waste for lying about a extramarital affair. If clinton invaded iraq under the same circumstances he would be brought up on charges as a war criminal. Hell this president has justified torture of detainees and wire taping all in the name of fear of terror( or terrur as w pronounces it). Anymore the republican party caters to the 10% that own 90% of the wealth and spin it through a conservative based media to get the poor simpltons to vote for there values. Churcheys want to end abortions red necks don't want nobody takin there guns who cares that W ran the country into the ground.

[vikingshadow]

Our government is a 3 branch system and with the way congress (and the Supreme Court) is set up, there is NO WAY anything in Washington is going to change with the election of this year's president - I don't care who wins: Obama, McCain, Paul, Nader or if Bush himself somehow figures a way back into the office for another 4 years, there isn't going to be ANY change.

Face it - while there's a lot of blah blah about change and new government, revolution or whatever, after this election it'll be back to business as usual with the economic situation pretty much the same as it is now.

I'm like Dre - I've said for years, "What are you going to do for me and my family?" I don't really care how you do it, but do something positive for me. Unfortunately, I think any vote I make this year - be it write in or otherwise, is going to be a wasted vote - and ONLY because it's not going to change anything.

I'm quite delusioned with politics at this point. I was even thinking of running for office myself a couple years ago, but I have to wonder what it would do to me and do I really want people to think of me in the same light as politicians?

[DFSniper]

if we were to regulate gas companies and banks, people would complain because that leans more towards socialism, which the majority of the population sees as a big no-no (remember adolf, benito and joseph?). but at the same time, people WANT the government to pay for this, pay for that, pay for health care, etc. thats ALSO a form of socialism. so until everyone realizes that the government can function perfectly fine under socialist ideals, prices aren't going to drop.

also, if you look at the business cycle, the economy was starting to go downhill BEFORE clinton left office. the bush administration was stuck with this problem, and thats where Keynesian economics comes in. ok, so they made a few mistakes, but you cant blame that on "W" alone. they (the government, not the republican party) tried fixing the economy with all kinds of incentives, which only made it worse *cough* home buying *cough* because they were giving out money that wasnt being repaid instead of stimulating the economy successfully. its the democrats with all their "lets make it easier for the common folk to do this and that" that led to this economic downfall.

and blaming bush on iraq isnt going to get anyone anywhere, whats done is done, and even kofi anan, yes, then-Secretary-General of the UN, said that the US is "stuck" in iraq because we can't stay there, but can't leave. if 9/11 had happened before clinton left office, what do you think would have happened? looking back at bosnia and kosovo, i think we can safely assume that he would have done the same. first afghanistan, and then iraq once it was perceived as a threat. and, if (god-forbid) al gore had won the election, i don't think he would have shrugged it off either. now, granted, he probably wouldn't have gone into iraq full force right away, but i don't think he would have tried sitting down and talking it over with saddam over a cup of tea either. and remember, it is CONGRESS who has the power to declare war, and i'm pretty sure they didn't give bush the go-ahead a la Palpatine.

[calebh]

prices won't drop under socialism either... wages might increase, leading to inflation, but we've already got inflation without wage increases, so... yeah...