Looking into getting a Bob Long...

[king-man]

Originally Posted by TheDarkShadow

where's bigred saying "get a borg, get a borg" ?

^my thoughts exactly, but since he wont i will, get a used 06 or 07 borg (or new if you can afford it) he reccomended it to me, and well lets just say <3 tim for suggesting it, once i got it in working order( took me a while cuz im the beggest nube ever on EP guns,cept for ions and such) but it shot BA

also, why do you want a nice, easy to screw up in the woods, speedball gun?

[bigred76]

Originally Posted by irishwarrior

I don't play speedball . I want something reliable, with a fast rate of fire and relatively easy to maintain.

Sorry, was busy spectating a tourney today...

GET A BORG!!! How does maintenance every 10 cases of paint sound to you? The '06 Borg was the fastest single barreled marker up to the recent release of the SL8R, at 35bps. My Borg has never had any issues that are really serious with me. I only had issues when I was tinkering with the LPR where I prolly shouldn't have.

<3 back at ya, Dillon! Told ya how to get it running right, lmao! They're so damn easy to set, too. HPR at 200psi, LPR a quarter to half turn in from reliable movement (no sticking). Adjust HPR according to altitude/location/weather for proper velocity. Should be about 275fps though, just with those settings.

[irishwarrior]

Originally Posted by king-man

^my thoughts exactly, but since he wont i will, get a used 06 or 07 borg (or new if you can afford it) he reccomended it to me, and well lets just say <3 tim for suggesting it, once i got it in working order( took me a while cuz im the beggest nube ever on EP guns,cept for ions and such) but it shot BA

also, why do you want a nice, easy to screw up in the woods, speedball gun?

I'll look at the borgs again than, thanks. I want one to A)satisfy my trigger-happiness and B)play a machine gun type role (suppressive/covering fire).

EDIT: I looked at the 07 Cyborg and it was not only technically superior to the Bob Longs but also cheaper. It looks like I'll be getting one of those.

[VS3 Sniper]

Yes borgs are great guns.....They also have poor resale and are ugly (imo of course). I would sugest getting a protege for ur needs. It won't need any more maintenance than a borg will and it will have better resale. I also think its smaller.

On a side note the 08 borgs will come out in the fall and there is alot of buzz about them. You may want to wait till then to make ur choice.


Is there anyway u can go and test out the guns were talking about?

[bigred76]

Sorry, forgot to include that, Andy! Yeah, wait until Cup rolls around to get the Cyborg07. They'll be cheaper as people will be offing them to afford the Cyborg08. They have "****ty resale" because "hype" and "agg" is not included into the price as it's unneeded nor wanted by 9/10 of it's users. (gotta include 9/10 now because damned HK woke up and smelled the coffee and now shoots them....)

For any Cyborg, I highly sugest one upgrade from stock: the PBK Scythe trigger. Other than that.... 2000 shots per tank fill stock sounds like it needs NOTHING else! The stock Matchstick is still one of the best in the industry, the Gladiator has some of the best recharge you've ever seen, and the valve/bolt system is as smooth as butta... Can't improve much without dropping $120 into it for the bolt, ram, and valve.... which I have yet to get and see if there actually is a noticable difference!

[irishwarrior]

Well, I won't have enough saved up until the end of this year, so I'm going to have to wait. And unfortunately, no, there isn't a way to try one out first.

[Team Ramrod]

Originally Posted by bigred76

Sorry, forgot to include that, Andy! Yeah, wait until Cup rolls around to get the Cyborg07. They'll be cheaper as people will be offing them to afford the Cyborg08. They have "****ty resale" because "hype" and "agg" is not included into the price as it's unneeded nor wanted by 9/10 of it's users. (gotta include 9/10 now because damned HK woke up and smelled the coffee and now shoots them....)

For any Cyborg, I highly sugest one upgrade from stock: the PBK Scythe trigger. Other than that.... 2000 shots per tank fill stock sounds like it needs NOTHING else! The stock Matchstick is still one of the best in the industry, the Gladiator has some of the best recharge you've ever seen, and the valve/bolt system is as smooth as butta... Can't improve much without dropping $120 into it for the bolt, ram, and valve.... which I have yet to get and see if there actually is a noticable difference!

According to PBN MacDev has stopped going with the yearly incarnation of the Cyborg and will be doin the next gen. sort of thing. Not sure how reliable that info is, just what i've been hearing...

[bigred76]

They've always done that... Look at the gap between the '04/05 Cyborg and the '06. It's like the difference between the Shocker 4X4 (Sport) and the Shocker SFT! The '07 Borg was merely a modified 2k6 platform, trying to tinker with seeing how marketable it was. They succeeded slightly, but I have a feeling that the next generation Cyborg, the 2k8, will be something radical. That isn't just whatever dramatic gossip PBN decides to display, it's just my personal feeling. They did amazing with the release of the Droid, which was the product of several years of secret designs. I believe that since the Cyborg '06/'07 did so well, they decided to not just modify the marker again, but totally redo it and reincarnate it's legacy once again. I plan on buying one from TimberTiger as soon as they're available!

[VS3 Sniper]

Originally Posted by bigred76

I plan on buying one from TimberTiger as soon as they're available!

If u do buy one I am gonna have to 'test' it out for a while.

[king-man]

if they change anything on the borg it needs to be a better stock trigger or different design