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Old 01-15-2008, 12:01 PM
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Default Re: I want to switch to HPA

Your over thinking it Skinwalk3r,

Don't worry about the extra 50 psi...The marker will work fine anywhere from 1000psi to close 400 psi and still function given some tweaking.

Even a regulated tank isn't going to put out exactly 850psi, it may be 830psi for one tank and 860 psi on another tank. it's not exact, the 850 is an average number afixed to the output. Manufacturing inconsistencies in both your tank and your marker will always be different from item to item. That's why there is no one way to dial in a marker, everyone's equipment is going to be unique and that's why what works for one won't always wor for the other.
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Old 01-15-2008, 02:34 PM
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Your over thinking it Skinwalk3r,
brother you hit whats been a big problem for me. LOL I am not kidding

The concern was for fear of mechanical damage. Thats all. But its good to know from you guys.

What good does an in-line regulator do then. If I dont need it then just type "no need". LOL

My aim is to have consistent good shots. If all I need is a 69ci/4500psi or more tank then I am set. (I hope)

I am trying to make sure I budget and plan everything out correctly.
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Old 01-15-2008, 07:04 PM
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brother you hit whats been a big problem for me. LOL I am not kidding

The concern was for fear of mechanical damage. Thats all. But its good to know from you guys.

What good does an in-line regulator do then. If I dont need it then just type "no need". LOL

My aim is to have consistent good shots. If all I need is a 69ci/4500psi or more tank then I am set. (I hope)

I am trying to make sure I budget and plan everything out correctly.
an inline regulator is for consistency in higher bps,

without a good regulator when you start to reach high bps you'll notice a drop in shots.

note the mr2 is a high pressure gun. It normally runs around 800 psi. Cp regs have a maximum output of 500 psi with the high pressure ones and 350 for the low pressure ones.

with only 500 psi running through your marker it'll probably shoot low velocity.

to regain loss velocity you'll have to tune your marker for a lower pressure. This requires a number things you'll have to invest, like a high flowing valve, spring kit, a new bolt maybe. tuning isn't the easiest thing to do or hardest thing to do.

though low pressure conversions require to mess with the valve and main springs to gain desired velocity. though the mr valve springs are longer than regular spyder valve springs, so your tuning is limited to just messing with the main spring, which might not get desired results.

that can be fixed with tuning a rocket valve

so you'll have to consider this factor of the cp regs anf other regs with a maximum pressure output below 800 psi

they offer better performance from your marker but you'll have to retune your marker. honestly i say this ins't worth the trouble, i'd rather go out and have fun with my marker.

THOUGH

other regs offer maximum outputs of 800 psi like a palmers and bob long torpedo i believe(correct me if i'm wrong). Those don't fit into the forgrip perfectly and would probably require you to hollow out the fore grip to make room for the reg,

this way you have better consistency in shots without having to do major retuning
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Old 01-16-2008, 04:47 AM
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an inline regulator is for consistency in higher bps,

without a good regulator when you start to reach high bps you'll notice a drop in shots.

note the mr2 is a high pressure gun. It normally runs around 800 psi. Cp regs have a maximum output of 500 psi with the high pressure ones and 350 for the low pressure ones.

with only 500 psi running through your marker it'll probably shoot low velocity.

to regain loss velocity you'll have to tune your marker for a lower pressure. This requires a number things you'll have to invest, like a high flowing valve, spring kit, a new bolt maybe. tuning isn't the easiest thing to do or hardest thing to do.

though low pressure conversions require to mess with the valve and main springs to gain desired velocity. though the mr valve springs are longer than regular spyder valve springs, so your tuning is limited to just messing with the main spring, which might not get desired results.

that can be fixed with tuning a rocket valve

so you'll have to consider this factor of the cp regs anf other regs with a maximum pressure output below 800 psi

they offer better performance from your marker but you'll have to retune your marker. honestly i say this ins't worth the trouble, i'd rather go out and have fun with my marker.

THOUGH

other regs offer maximum outputs of 800 psi like a palmers and bob long torpedo i believe(correct me if i'm wrong). Those don't fit into the forgrip perfectly and would probably require you to hollow out the fore grip to make room for the reg,

this way you have better consistency in shots without having to do major retuning
wow ! that quite a bit. Let me see if I get you correctly.

You are NOT saying HPA is a hassle. What you are saying is adding a regulator to that set and tuning may be a hassle.

what do you use Co2 or HPA
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Old 01-16-2008, 07:37 AM
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Not really...what he's saying is that converting an MR series marker to LP is [sort of] a hastle because it requires longer valve springs than are available. Any other older Spyder can be converted more easily because the spring packs that are in existance are for the older models...

HPA alone is NOT a hassle. Get yourself an HP output tank, get it filled, screw it into the marker and go have fun...
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Old 01-16-2008, 08:08 AM
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HPA alone is NOT a hassle. Get yourself an HP output tank, get it filled, screw it into the marker and go have fun...

this I intend to do. Infact sometime today. I can still use a remote right. The hose will hold ?
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Old 01-16-2008, 10:59 AM
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The hose will hold, remember, the output from the tank is the same pressure as any co2 tank.(850psi)
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Old 01-16-2008, 11:45 AM
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cool. I am so excited. .....!
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Old 01-16-2008, 08:09 PM
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wow ! that quite a bit. Let me see if I get you correctly.

You are NOT saying HPA is a hassle. What you are saying is adding a regulator to that set and tuning may be a hassle.

what do you use Co2 or HPA
i used hpa, my mr2 was converted to low pressure but i wasn't happy with the results so its back to high pressure for the time being

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Not really...what he's saying is that converting an MR series marker to LP is [sort of] a hastle because it requires longer valve springs than are available. Any other older Spyder can be converted more easily because the spring packs that are in existance are for the older models...

HPA alone is NOT a hassle. Get yourself an HP output tank, get it filled, screw it into the marker and go have fun...
QFT,

the only reason why i do lp conversions is because i enjoy messing with spyders and most importantly i have like 3 other markers when i don't tune the spyder right

just have fun,

if you feel you need better consistency in your shots later look into a high pressure reg that puts out 800 psi so you don't have to mess with tuning so much
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Old 03-12-2008, 06:04 AM
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If my pure energy tank out put is 800psi why is there a need for a regulator on top of that. ?? that just occured to me !
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