Just how well do you know your kids??

[MR2 Woodsballer]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23905909/

[durrell]

Wow..how things have changed since I was in elementary school.

[vikingshadow]

You know, this doesn't surprise many teachers. We have kids as early as Kindergarten and 1st grade in our own school cussing out teachers and getting kicked out for fighting. Not kidding in the least!

Teachers for years warned administrators and parents about these types of going's on, and obviously this is quite a big story now that the news has found out about it , but we just snort about it and say, "Yeah? You're kidding.....yawn. What day was this again?" It's more common than anyone lets on because we know nothing is going to get done about it from the higher ups. Now, granted, this was quite extreme, but what shocks us the most is that they were girls. Normally, it's the boys that engage in this type of thing.

I have a 5th grade boy this year who drew a picture of him shooting a teacher in the head (Even labeled it!), got called into the office for it and said there was no signature on it so it wasn't his. (He's the only one that sits in that desk and we found it right after he had had an argument with that particular teacher. No, it wasn't me, haha!) He got suspended, moved to Kentucky, came back a month later and was put back on our team again, just in a different home base. Now, isn't that a hoot?

Until the school system backs up their teachers BEFORE these incidents happen, and allow teachers to do what they KNOW needs to be done, then supports their employees by enforcing it - effectively telling parents and the ACLU to back off and let us do our thing (within reason, of course) this stuff is going to be commonplace at ALL levels.

Sorry for the long post.

/rant

[HelpDeskHustler]

Almost all psychologists agree that the brain isn't developed enough at their age for children to plot revenge a long period away without showing signs of lesser aggression first. IMO there's more to this story. No doubt in my mind we'll also hear from Jack Thomson about this one.

[MR2 Woodsballer]

Honestly IMO I think their parents are partly to blame. Someone hasnt been montering what their kids have been watching on tv. Not saying the tv is to blame but I am saying that anyone can go through the computer or the tv settings and set parental controlls. How else would they have thought to bring gloves assign ppl to cover windows, clean up ECT.

[MVS1]

Good ol' fashioned ass whooping once in a while is a great deterrent. Since my wife homeschools the kids that makes me the principal. They piss the teacher off and I get an earfull of it when I get home from work and it's a bad day for them.

[HelpDeskHustler]

Media is always to blame, simply because of it's ambiguity. Everything you take in is media. Humans without media are instinctual survivors, we seek the mother's breast for milk, and we involuntarily work our muscles and absorb nutrients, as a child, we observe our environment and adapt a very "monkey see, monkey do" mentality until our brains begin to form an entire set of reactions to given circumstances. Nearly everything we do is because of media.

Television and Video Games are the scapegoat in society. In reality, I think the true problem lies in our consumerist economy. Because of consumerism, media tells children that their comfort is something of importance, when in the spectrum of things, it really doesn't matter a whole lot. Companies who agree with you are much more marketable, and saying that a child's trivial needs are actually "super duper important" just makes them selfish little pricks, who *allegedly would* get pissed over being told to get off a desk to the point where in extreme cases they *allegedly would* plot to kill a teacher.

[MR2 Woodsballer]

I didnt say that tv was to blame, I did say that tv moderation was. More and more parents today take less time to nuture and spend time with children. Most just plop their kids down in front of the tv for hours, that way they done have to deal with them.

[vikingshadow]

I think we're honestly creating a society of soft, whiny, unable to deal with problems and future stressed-out maniacs, personally. We give them 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 10th chances to do a simple task. "Didn't do your homework? That's ok, turn it in tomorrow!"

Then, instead of teaching them to deal with problems, we adults have decided somewhere along the line that we'll handle the problems for them. "Johnny called you a *****? Well, we'll go take care of that right now! That's 'bullying' and we won't stand for it!" snicker snicker - riiiggghhhttt!

Finally, we've started teaching the kids that even adults aren't immune from them. "You're sad because the teacher spoke to you harshly for kicking someone? Let's go talk to the counselor! Maybe your parents should come up as well and we'll have a big meeting about it!" (been there, done that! Worst meeting I've ever been a part of.)

I really think that the children, though to blame at first, are unwittingly being taught that they can do what they want, when they want and they'll get away with it because A. we adults do get tired after awhile of the constant whining and complaining, and it's just easier to give in, and B. because somewhere, they've learned this term: their feelings (read "rights") are being squashed. Throw in what they see on television in the news, movies, video games (yes, I believe this is a culprit as well - you should listen to the kids at school sometime. All they can talk about at times. I mentioned that maybe we could do some detention if the students didn't get quiet in the hall, and one kid -very into video games - said, "Or we can shoot them in the knees! That's what we do in COD4!") Heaven forbid that the parent teach them how to handle this the correct way, or even worse, if the parent isn't doing it the teacher try to do it!

When I was growing up, the parents and teachers would make us work our own problems out. "Someone called you a name? Whatcha gonna do about it? Oh, and you better make the right decision, buck-o!" "If you get in trouble at school, you'll get it twice as hard at home! I don't care who is right or wrong!" Ah, the good ol' days of multi butt whoopings! First the principal or teacher, then mom, then dad because mom had to get physical.

Back in those days, if there were a fight between two or more students, I KNOW (from talking to the old timer teachers from back in the day confirming my own suspicions) that they let those fights go on for a bit before they broke them up. Usually until someone fell down, hehe! I had a coach who would get the two angry students in the center circle of the basketball court and tell them to go at it. Of course, they never did because they realized how stupid it was! Then the coach would actually get PISSED OFF for wasting his time and making him do this! But, lesson learned - no one was going to solve your problem for you.

Shoot, I remember getting swatted by the neighbor lady because I threw a rock at a cat once. It wasn't even her cat! (T'wasn't mine, either! ) You won't see that happen these days...

We definitely can't let them fight anymore because they simply don't know how. The only way they see fights anymore are the UMA, the MMA, in movies and in video games - they aren't skilled enough to do the Ultimate Fighter stuff, so yes, weapons are a must to them.

So what is the answer? Shoot, I don't have a clue except to keep my back away from them at ALL times!

tl;dr:

I think we're honestly creating a society of soft, whiny, unable to deal with problems and future stressed-out maniacs, personally. We give them 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 10th chances to do a simple task. "Didn't do your homework? That's ok, turn it in tomorrow!"

Then, instead of teaching them to deal with problems, we adults have decided somewhere along the line that we'll handle the problems for them. "Johnny called you a *****? Well, we'll go take care of that right now! That's 'bullying' and we won't stand for it!" snicker snicker - riiiggghhhttt!

Finally, we've started teaching the kids that even adults aren't immune from them. "You're sad because the teacher spoke to you harshly for kicking someone? Let's go talk to the counselor! Maybe your parents should come up as well and we'll have a big meeting about it!" (been there, done that! Worst meeting I've ever been a part of.)

I really think that the children, though to blame at first, are unwittingly being taught that they can do what they want, when they want and they'll get away with it because A. we adults do get tired after awhile of the constant whining and complaining, and it's just easier to give in, and B. because somewhere, they've learned this term: their feelings (read "rights") are being squashed. Throw in what they see on television in the news, movies, video games (yes, I believe this is a culprit as well - you should listen to the kids at school sometime. All they can talk about at times. I mentioned that maybe we could do some detention if the students didn't get quiet in the hall, and one kid -very into video games - said, "Or we can shoot them in the knees! That's what we do in COD4!") Heaven forbid that the parent teach them how to handle this the correct way, or even worse, if the parent isn't doing it the teacher try to do it!

When I was growing up, the parents and teachers would make us work our own problems out. "Someone called you a name? Whatcha gonna do about it? Oh, and you better make the right decision, buck-o!" "If you get in trouble at school, you'll get it twice as hard at home! I don't care who is right or wrong!" Ah, the good ol' days of multi butt whoopings! First the principal or teacher, then mom, then dad because mom had to get physical.

Back in those days, if there were a fight between two or more students, I KNOW (from talking to the old timer teachers from back in the day confirming my own suspicions) that they let those fights go on for a bit before they broke them up. Usually until someone fell down, hehe! I had a coach who would get the two angry students in the center circle of the basketball court and tell them to go at it. Of course, they never did because they realized how stupid it was! Then the coach would actually get PISSED OFF for wasting his time and making him do this! But, lesson learned - no one was going to solve your problem for you.

Shoot, I remember getting swatted by the neighbor lady because I threw a rock at a cat once. It wasn't even her cat! (T'wasn't mine, either! ) You won't see that happen these days...

We definitely can't let them fight anymore because they simply don't know how. The only way they see fights anymore are the UMA, the MMA, in movies and in video games - they aren't skilled enough to do the Ultimate Fighter stuff, so yes, weapons are a must to them.

So what is the answer? Shoot, I don't have a clue except to keep my back away from them at ALL times!

Next time, quit complaining and just read the first one, lazy ass!

[vikingshadow]

hehe - it's the return of the novel. Been about a year since I wrote like that!