OK picked up a pair of these on ebay for pretty cheap. They look pretty cool, besides that thats about all these things have going for them. I ordered an XL which were more than roomy for me, second game of the day I was squatting down behind a soda can as I come up the crotch blew out of these and most folks on the opposing team got to see what other heat I was packing that day
. The stitching holding in the mesh material here is extremely light and does not hold up to stress very well, yeah it was $30 down the drain but figured i'd let you know about my lovely experience.