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titanbaseball13 11-24-2010 09:01 PM

spyder fenix wont fire
i just bought a used spyder fenix off of ebay. i tried shooting it for the first time today, and it didnt work. the battery has been charging for at least 10 hours and the low battery indicator is off, so i dont think that is the problem. whenever i pull the trigger, the gun makes the clicking noise, but it wont fire (and yes the safety is off), and i cant get the gun to uncock. the guy who sold it to me claims the gun worked fine when he shipped it, and i mostly believe hes telling the truth. is there something else that i need to do? i have very little paintball experience so any ideas would be apreciated.

2005modxtra 11-24-2010 09:20 PM

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I just went through a problem with a e trigger on my old xtra one make sure the battery is new and fully charged change it batterys are easy fixes and temperamental. Two take the grip off the gun so you can see the solenoid pull the trigger if its tripping but only half way its prolly a bad capacitor. To check that look at the big black two wire cylinder and if the end is bowed out at all its blown. If its perfectly flat its something else

titanbaseball13 11-26-2010 01:04 PM

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thanks, you were right, the capacitor was blown. i took it to a paintball store earlier today and got a new board put in it. now it shoots at least, but it uncocks every time and doesnt recock automatically, so i have to recock it each time i shoot. any idea what the problem might be now?

Talon 11-27-2010 07:16 PM

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recocking could be a few problems
1st and the main reason,the battery
2nd not enough air pressure in the marker, to get the bolt to recock. Adjust the pressure if needed.
3rd lube/o rings, change those out and lube the marker. If you bought it form one of ebay, you dont know whens the last time it has been done.

TheDarkShadow 11-28-2010 08:18 AM

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what kind of velocity are you shooting at? and check your o-rings and make sure your valve is in the right direction.

titanbaseball13 11-30-2010 08:06 AM

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the o-rings are all fine, the battery is fully charged, and the valve is in the right direction. i'm pretty sure that the marker doesn't need to be lubed, but ill try it anyway. as for adjusting the pressure, i have no idea how to tell what the pressure is set on now or how to adjust it, can someone tell me how to do that?

MYNEWMR2 11-30-2010 09:39 AM

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haha typed some big long thing then realized not what he meant. lol

MYNEWMR2 11-30-2010 09:41 AM

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Are you running on CO2 or air? Either way, do you have a full tank?

Talon 11-30-2010 01:57 PM

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there should be a knob on the back of the gun that allows you to adjust your velocity. Works best at around 280-285 fps, only way to check that out is at your local paintball field with a Chronograph.

titanbaseball13 12-01-2010 12:48 PM

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ive tried using both co2 and hpa, both were full and i had the same problem with both. i knew about the knob on the back adjusting the velocity, but is that the same thing as adjusting the pressure? also, my gun has a regulator, but i dont know what that means. could someone explain to me what a regulator does?

TheDarkShadow 12-01-2010 01:47 PM

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it regulates the air pressure going into the marker, that may be part of the problem if its not adjusted correctly

Talon 12-01-2010 02:58 PM

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Heres a online manual, everything you will ever need to know.

titanbaseball13 12-02-2010 12:13 PM

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ok the manual shows how to adjust the regulator and it says the recommended setting is 500-600 psi. How do i know what the regulator is actually set on to see if i need to adjust it or not?

Talon 12-02-2010 12:23 PM

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Put in a Co2 or HPA tank and find out your regulator pressure and adjust from there, 500 is abit to high I think. What I would do Is start off at is 250 pressure an work my way up. I've never owned a Fenix before though so not sure on the regulator pressure.

titanbaseball13 12-02-2010 04:10 PM

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right now when i put in a co2 or hpa tank, the needle on the gauge is at the maximum it can be and still be in the green section. could my problem be caused by the pressure being too high? it seems like the marker would still recock if the pressure was too high, it just doesnt seem to me like that is the problem.

Talon 12-02-2010 04:30 PM

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Depends on what the needle is reading on the gauge. If the pressure is to high in the marker what can happens is it can blow O-rings and/or, the air will not be stopped by the O-rings causing the bolt not recocking. Try turning the pressure in the Regulator down so it reads 1/3-1/2 of the gauge.

bigred76 12-02-2010 04:58 PM

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The high pressure may cause the marker to not recock, or even fire. Think about it this way, the front spring is pushing with so much force on the cupseal to keep the valve closed (usually about 2-5lbs). When you pressurize the marker, it has all that air flow to keep it closed as well, about 400psi. Volume is about... eh, I'll pull 2in^3 out of my ass. That means that on top of the 2-5lb spring, it has an additional 5.5lbs of force pushing on it [(400psi/144)*2in^3]. The main (striker) spring then has to open it, and if you aren't careful with how much pressure you're giving the valve then the striker won't be able to open the valve all the way. If it doesn't open all the way, then it doesn't have enough air coming out the rear to recock the marker fully, and symptoms can vary somewhere between full-on jackhammering and nothing.

I would turn the regulator completely off (keep in mind that you need to clear the pressure after the regulator is adjusted down to get a proper reading), then raise it until it works properly with the velocity adjuster (on the back of the bottom tube) screwed halfway in, or even a little less if desired. The way to turn off the regulator is to turn the set screw counter-clockwise until it is about flush with the surface of the regulator. Attach the air source and slowly turn the set screw in, until it sits at about 300psi. Wearing your paintball specific mask, cock the marker and take one dry fire shot. Continue this process, raising it 50psi at a time, until it works. Then turn the regulator up another 25psi, and ensure that it works consistently. When you get to the field, adjust your velocity adjuster to match the field's limit. If your velocity is too high, unscrew the velocity adjuster. Too low, screw it in.

In cold temperatures, I would definitely recommend an HPA tank over a CO2 tank. The HPA is not as susceptible to low temperatures as CO2 is by a long shot.

titanbaseball13 12-02-2010 05:38 PM

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ok thanks for the explanation big red i think i understand how it works now. ill try out what you said this weekend and let you guys know if i still have any problems.

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