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JMSA540
03-17-2007, 09:33 AM
IS the VS3 "tournament grade" for paintball. I currently have the 2006 electra with eye, but want a tourney grade pball gun. Is the VS3 tourney grade? ANy reccomendations?

Oscum Guy
03-17-2007, 09:36 AM
no cuz it has a rocking trigger. they aree illegal in some tourneys. get a vs2.

Backmanshooter
03-17-2007, 09:44 AM
Ya. VS2 if you want a good tourny grade marker. Its cheaper, too!! ;)

VS3 Sniper
03-17-2007, 11:57 AM
I would say the vs2 unless u are playing in a tourny that allows the rockin trigger frame.

JMSA540
03-17-2007, 02:33 PM
All of my friennds say that the vs2 and vs3 arent tournament grade... I jsut bought a brand new 2006 Spyder Electra with eye. And they keep knocking me, they keep saying that i shouldve got a tournament grade gun. Here is a list of my friends guns, one friend has a bob long intimidator ripper, and my other friend has a dm4, another frined has a bush master... Does the VS2 and VS3 hold up to these guns? ANy help, please?

Backmanshooter
03-17-2007, 02:37 PM
Wow they have nice markers...So what? Anything can be used in a tournament and do good. Knock on them by saying you dont have your parents pay for your stuff.;)

Oscum Guy
03-17-2007, 02:38 PM
no, they dont hold up. that doesnt mean anything tho.

Moe
03-17-2007, 02:38 PM
Spyders aren't usually considered "tourny grade." But, it really doesn't matter. As long as you know how to use it, go show them up. Who cares what they think. If by 'tourny grade' they mean high end, you are going to have to spend anywhere from $400-1300 for a marker. If you are willing to shell out the cash, I would recommend getting a used intimidator, you can find them anywhere from $300-500.

Hob Hayward
03-17-2007, 04:46 PM
It'd be silly to buy such a fancy gun so soon into your time playing PB. Make sure you really like the sport before dropping $800+ on high end equipment, and a high end marker. I'd stick with the electra for now, and later you can always upgrade to a higher end gun, especially when you know more about the sport.

STRIKEFIRST
03-18-2007, 06:59 AM
I wouldn't worry about using a vs2 in a tourney.

I used my pilot in a tourney and had people with timmys, dms, pms and shockers wanting to know what I was shooting. They couldn't believe a spyder could throw ropes like that.

There is a thread in the kingman forum about bad company...they are kingman's sponsored team. They recently scrimmaged Infamous and apparently Infamous was impressed with the speed of the vs series...and they are supposedly close to stock with the stock board.

Save money...get a VS...Work on your skills then consider upgrading. Upgrade when your skills outgrow your marker. Its not worth growing into a marker because when you finally grow into a "high end", Its now an old marker!

This year we'll see how the VS's do in real tourneys.

Theheroguy
03-18-2007, 07:18 AM
your friends are trying to validate spending craps loads more money than you when they don't evenplay that well

nbishop66
03-19-2007, 07:37 AM
I had my 05 Pilot ACS at my local field 2 summers ago and had the ref looking over at me wondering if I was really shooting a spyder. They can lay rope with the best of them up to about 15 bps. I only kept mine for a year and moved to an ion, both mine and my son's weren't very reliable and consistent. I do like the ion much better but people seem to think that if you don't spend $1,000 on a marker it's not really a "Tournament Gun". I've had the ION for a year and I'm thinking about upgrading to a shocker in the next couple of years. The ION in my opinion, with some mods is a descent entry level tourney gun. It's light, fast, and easy to upgrade.

To me the VSs feel like an anker compared to some others, including the ion and the Proto Rail. If you were looking to spend around $400 I'd consider the proto Rail. It's ready to go without ups. It is about 1lb heavier than an ION but it's ready to rock and roll Tourney Style right out of the box. If I had to guess, because kingman doesn't say, the VS would have to be close to 3.5lbs, just a guess though. If someone knows I'm real curious to know it's actual weight.

vikingshadow
03-19-2007, 09:18 AM
It is about 1lb heavier than an ION but it's ready to rock and roll Tourney Style right out of the box.

Nope - the Rail is actually lighter than the Ion. It only weigh's a little under two pounds TOTAL with barrel and reg (about 1.90 if I remember right.) I think it weighs about the exact same as the Mini, give or take an ounce.

But you're right, it's ready to go right out of the box. As far as the VS, I think there's a thread around here with all that information...just have to do a search because I'm too lazy at the moment!

nbishop66
03-19-2007, 09:54 AM
Vike, I got my info on the PMR from AVs Site:
Features:

Black single piece Proto barrel
Hyper2 inline air regulator
Anti-chop eye system
Composite eyeplate
150psi operating pressure with Boost Forward technology
Continuous three-dimensional contoured body design
Compact and lightweight body styling
Proto dual-durometer sticky grip
LED program control
Dual-durometer composite ergonomic 45 grip frame
Re-engineered 1 piece bolt system
Adjustable dual-durometer trigger sensitivity and rate of fire
Stamped metal insert logo
PMR airport
Adjustable locking dual-durometer feed neck
Semi auto
30 bps
3.2 lbs
Autococker barrel
Requires on 9volt battery

vikingshadow
03-19-2007, 10:45 AM
Meh - that's ActionVillage for you. They don't really care what they write, so long as it sounds good.

Here ya go - the PMR Ultimate Sticky at PBN (they are good for something!) says:

Matching single piece Proto barrel
Hyper2 in-line air regulator
Anti-chop eye system (break beam)
Composite eyeplate
150psi operating pressure with Boost Forward technology
Continuous three-dimensional contoured body design
Compact and lightweight body styling
Proto dual-durometer sticky grips
LED program control
Dual-durometer composite ergonomic 45 grip frame
Re-engineered 1 piece bolt system
Adjustable dual-durometer trigger sensitivity and rate of fire
Stamped metal insert logo
new Dye Airport bottom line
Adjustable locking dual-durometer feedneck
No UL frame but one will be made specifically for the PMR.
No LPR.
3 firing modes + 1 (Semi, PSP, Millennium, and NXL (hidden mode)
The PMR colors are black, blue, olive, and red
1.22 without reg, barrel and battery. 1.94 pounds with everything.

Haven't located the ION stats yet, but will as soon as I get them. But I can tell you the Proto is much lighter than the Ion....

nbishop66
03-19-2007, 11:44 AM
Damn, that's light. Thanks for the clarification, I want one now. Want to buy a used ION?

HelpDeskHustler
03-19-2007, 01:10 PM
due to its high impact polymer frame, the rail is extremely light, the ion on the other hand has far more aluminum in much thicker amounts than necessary.

vikingshadow
03-19-2007, 01:33 PM
Hahaha, no, I don't want an Ion! It's not that I don't care for them, I just could never develop a feel for them. I like my Shocker MUCH more than the Ion.

The frame is a large portion for the reason it's so light, but I believe that the NDZ frame and the UL frame are both just a couple ounces heavier than the stock frame. I think the gun's just milled to be as light as possible meaning there isn't much metal left to play with.

sonix-man
03-23-2007, 04:36 PM
get an ION, great fun

graphics360
03-25-2007, 06:36 PM
All of my friennds say that the vs2 and vs3 arent tournament grade... I jsut bought a brand new 2006 Spyder Electra with eye. And they keep knocking me, they keep saying that i shouldve got a tournament grade gun.



dude, you dont need a better gun, you need better friends... they sound like jerks

its about having a good time, not spending all your money so you have the best marker