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XxPaintballxX
02-22-2007, 03:34 PM
i ordered a 18v LEDfasta and a 14 inch J&J s2 today for my pilot ACS........i was just wondering wat my next upgrade should be??---(everythin is stock right now w/ the exception of the hopper and barrel on the way)

spitfirocks
02-22-2007, 03:37 PM
i would say definetaly HPA, a better feeneck with velocity guage, a macro hose line, a new trigger(personal, becuase stock trigger is very heavy), and possibly spyder dye sticky three's.and if u really wanna go all the way id say a t-board with eyes

in total everything i mensioned here with everything is 162.99, with onlyu that much money, you cna make your gun better than any low high end markers. I guarentee you a virtued ion couldnt keep up.

XxPaintballxX
02-22-2007, 03:41 PM
hpa?....thats like compressed air correct?


a feed neck w/ velocity gage?

spitfirocks
02-22-2007, 03:43 PM
yes, i recomend the pea-nut, because the gun is already heavy, and the peanut is very very very small and it holds 4500 psi. Its abotu 200 bucks tho, but it will repay itself for the tiny size. if u need anything else, pm me

XxPaintballxX
02-22-2007, 03:57 PM
im going to need a new regulator, vertical adapter and asa right?

and wat r some good tanks for a lil less money?

spitfirocks
02-22-2007, 04:03 PM
you dont really need an asa, i mean im ok with goin through 5 orings a year lol. But i recomend the trinity regulator, which is 39.99, and a wgp 50/3000 compressed air tank which is 70-90 bucks. Also a trinity feed neck which is 29.99. If u want u can get a nice trigger for 25 bucks as well. I recomend the trigger the most, becuase face it stock trigger cant handle any more thwn 13 bps, and anyone who says it can do 20 stock is lein. U need a new kingman *PLASTIC* trigger, which is much lighter..

cbx133
02-22-2007, 04:16 PM
i ordered a 18v LEDfasta and a 14 inch J&J s2 today for my pilot ACS........i was just wondering wat my next upgrade should be??---(everythin is stock right now w/ the exception of the hopper and barrel on the way)

Hey thats exactly what I want for my gun. Going to get a fasta and a new barrel soon. I wasn't all that happy with the stock accuracy/distance so I want to try a new barrel. Post how well it shoots and let me know :-)

-Sam

XxPaintballxX
02-22-2007, 04:20 PM
will do

XxPaintballxX
02-22-2007, 04:47 PM
you dont really need an asa, i mean im ok with goin through 5 orings a year lol. But i recomend the trinity regulator, which is 39.99, and a wgp 50/3000 compressed air tank which is 70-90 bucks...


im still going to need a vertical adapter too right?

spitfirocks
02-22-2007, 05:03 PM
yes

XxPaintballxX
02-22-2007, 05:25 PM
wat r some good ones? i've heard alot aobut the check it 15* assault block

spitfirocks
02-22-2007, 06:13 PM
wait wait, what do u mean vertical adapter?whats ur definiton of vertical adaptor

Hob Hayward
02-22-2007, 06:20 PM
Bah, I'd say you're pretty much set for the moment. I'd just suggest picking up a decent clamping feedneck, I'm a fan of NDZs, but the CCM is also very popular.

If you really want to get into modding up your pilot, I'd suggest checking out www.ottersccustoms.com/project.html first.

After you've read up and learned a bit more come back and ask again :p.

XxPaintballxX
02-22-2007, 06:49 PM
wait wait, what do u mean vertical adapter?whats ur definiton of vertical adaptor


i thought there was only one definition.....


heres the check it assault block:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0009UXOD6/ref=dp_image_0/105-8923916-6677247?ie=UTF8&n=3375251&s=sporting-goods


isnt this a vertical adapter?



and yea hob i am going to wait a lil while i was just lookin for some ideas on future ups

invisibledrummer
02-22-2007, 07:25 PM
a vertical adapter is a vertical adapter. two popular ones are the check it products 15* assault block which sets the regulator at a fifteen degree angle forward, and the Trinity Front Block, these come in two styles, one sets your reg at a forward 15* angle like the assault block and the other sets the reg at a reverse angle of either 7* or 15* (i cant remember which one, since i have seen each angle on many different websites, so im not really sure which one is the true angle.) the reason you should get a new v/a is to increase the airflow from your tank to the gun, and so that you can screw in an aftermarket regulator. the regulators i would recommend are the palmers Stabilizer which can be used with either hpa or co2 (and a good reg in my opinion) the custom products grip regulator which can only be used with hpa, and the bob long torpedo regulator which i believe can be used with both co2 and hpa but im not 100% sure. you dont need a new asa but if you want to have one with an On/Off knob then i would suggest the custom products direct mount on/off asa. as for an hpa tank, PMI makes some relatively inexpensive tanks like the 50 cubic inch 3000 psi for around $80 or the 72 cu inch 3000 psi tank for around 90. both of these tanks are steel but so they will be heavier than a carbon fiber wrapped tank that would go for around $150-200. buying a steel hpa tank is a good decision for those on a budget (like me) because you get the consistancy of hpa for a low price then later on you can upgrade to a 4500 psi carbon wrapped tank. if anything, you should get the hpa tank next then work on upping your gun after.

XxPaintballxX
02-22-2007, 07:42 PM
thanx invisibledrummer......and im assuming my stock v/a and reg will be ok with hpa?

invisibledrummer
02-22-2007, 08:29 PM
yes, your stock reg and v/a will do fine with hpa. you can buy a new reg if you really want to up your consistancy, but you will notice a drastic increase in consistancy just from moving onto hpa from co2.

XxPaintballxX
02-22-2007, 08:38 PM
yea i've read otters site and alot of the upgrade threads say that......thanx alot drummer for the help

XxPaintballxX
02-22-2007, 08:40 PM
o one more question......wats the difference between a 50cu and a 72 cu if they both have same psi?

also y r the aluminum tanks so much cheaper?? are they worse?

Halucin8
02-22-2007, 08:54 PM
50 ci is the cubic inches of air and the 3000 psi is just that pounds per square inch. in the 72 u get 72 cubic inches of air compressed until it reaches 3000 psi. more shots more cubic inches. the metal tanks are heavier and only go to 3000 psi so they are old technology and people want lighter and more pressure. so they have to go to carbon fiber to get 4500psi or 5000 even

XxPaintballxX
02-22-2007, 08:58 PM
how much heavier would a 72cu/3000psi aluminum tank be to a 20 oz aluminum?

invisibledrummer
02-22-2007, 10:14 PM
not sure on the weight compared to a co2 tank but the 72 cu in weighs about 4 lbs whil the 48 weighs 3 lbs. the smaller carbon fibers weigh around 2 and the larger ones are around 3 lbs. there is nothing wrong with a steel tank. it is just a heavier and cheaper alternative to the lighter, high priced carbon fiber tanks.

generally the rule of thumb with hpa tanks is that if it holds 3000 psi you multiply the size (in cubic inches) by 10 to get the average amount of shots you will get on a full fill and with 4500 psi tanks you multiply the size by 15. for example, a 48/3000 tank will get about 480 shots on average, although i have heard of people getting close to 750 shots out of them by using upgraded spyders that they turned into low pressure (they operated on as low as 200 psi to fire instead of the stock 800 a spyder usually gets.)

XxPaintballxX
02-23-2007, 08:25 AM
if 48/3000 tank gives me 450 shots, y not just stay w/ a 20 oz co2 and get around 1100 shots??

bamf-hacker
02-23-2007, 11:08 AM
By all means you can stay with C02. There is nothing wrong with it. HPA gives you a few benefits though.

* All weather play. Since HPA is already a gas it does not need to expand in the tank to give you your air. So you can use it in any weather (Cold/Hot) with out fluctuation. C02 needs to expand and as you shoot faster or in cooler weather you will be getting liquid C02 out of the tank. That is bad for consistency, bad on o-rings and the internals of the marker, but not detrimental.

* HPA is regulated on the tank. So your pressure to the marker will always be the same. That means closer FPS ranges and accuracy. C02 is not regulated so as the tank temperature and levels change so does the PSI. Not by leaps and bounds but enough to notice.

Also look in the BST for used, still in Hydro (HPA Tanks larger than 2" in diameter need to be tested every 3-5 years to make sure they are still sound, it is called Hydro testing. So a tank still in Hydro is one that does not need to be re-tested yet.) HPA tanks. You can get them fairly cheap.

XxPaintballxX
02-23-2007, 11:13 AM
ok thanx every1 for ur input and help