01-16-2007, 02:31 PM
Hey guys, im looking to buy a new marker and ive narrowed my choices down the the Smart Parts Epiphany and the Proto Matrix Rail. Which would you suggest and why?
01-16-2007, 02:33 PM
talked to you online about it
01-16-2007, 02:37 PM
Rail, if its good enough for a mod, get it for you
01-16-2007, 03:37 PM
I have a shocker and a rail, and I can tell you this - although I haven't really played with the Rail yet other than just shooting it, if it stands up to playing hard as well as it shoots right now, my majorly UPGRADED Shocker is going to play backup to my totally stock Rail.
Now, I'm not one of those fanboys who thinks the Rail is going to be much better than any of those "high end" guns. I'm not into that at all. It drives me nuts when Ion owners do that. It also drives me nuts seeing people compare this gun to the ION. The only similarities is that it has composite polymer on the frame and feedneck, and it has breakbeam eyes, that's about it. However, it is a great gun, put out by a reputable company who apparantly has awesome customer service (never had to use it, so I don't personally know).
Just to qualify my previous statement, the Rail is lighter than the shocker. It's much more efficient than the stock Shocker - in fact, I was getting the same numbers out of my Rail as I get with my Shocker with the NDZ Stinger v3 bolt in it right now. Although neither have kick, my Shocker has what's called barrel rise - the barrel raises up when you shoot at a high rate of fire, nothing serious or even that noticeable, but the Rail has absolutely NO kick and NO barrel rise. It's ball on ball consistant. I shot a hopper at the field last weekend, and with the exception of a couple, the shot pattern was all within 10 - 12 inches. That's at a high rate of fire and the stock Proto 1 piece - not too shabby! My shocker had a loader full shot at about a 12-18 inch patter with a paint matched freak barrel on, but I attribute it to bad paint and that rise I told you about - still not bad, but not like the proto! The stock SFT board is not as versitile as the stock PMR board (PM7 board) having only semi and ramping. My Virtue has much more to it, but it cost 150.00 bucks - the rail board has 3 recorded modes and a secret/not so secret mode, so 4 modes all together (semi, PSP, Millenium ramping and NXL full auto).
I'm still not sure which is better so I'm going to have to play a bit more with them both. The Rail needs some care - it needs new parts to be better, but the stock gun is pretty amazing. Don't give me the "it's a plastic gun" bit, because it just doesn't matter on this gun. Seriously. Try one out and you'll see. It's not the best, but it's close to the best that I've shot before, and that's been a lot.
As far as the Etek - it's a lower level version of the EGO, yet still pretty expensive. Some people love EGOs. I personally didn't like shooting one. It didn't feel right. Oh, btw, to whoever wondered about the operation up there, the EGO isn't a spool valve, if I remember correctly - my friend has one, and I'm pretty sure it isn't. Too much kick and the bolt isn't enclosed, so I'm pretty sure it's a pin valve operation, but can't say for sure. The Etek may be though, as I haven't paid any attention to it.
After all that, it comes down to opinion. My opinion is that it's at least as good as my Shocker. I haven't shot an Etek, so I can't give you an opinion on that gun. My advice then is to read as much as you can on both guns - their problems, how great they are, reviews (I always read the bad ones first and try to sort out the ones that are just bruised ego's, pardon the pun), operation of both guns, ease of use, so on and so forth - I'll tell you right now, if you've never messed with a spool valve, and are going straight from a Spyder to the Rail, you're in for a treat when it comes to maintaining it! LOL! Much more complicated, but not difficult.
Then, after all your research is starting to sound the same, go out and actually shoot one. See which one you like better and get that one!
01-16-2007, 03:41 PM
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Of the two listed, I'd say Rail - but then, I haven't shot the Epiphany, although I hear it's just an upgraded Ion.
01-16-2007, 03:49 PM
explain why you guys picked the rail please
01-16-2007, 03:52 PM
Did you read Marvin's quote of my previous post?
I guess I can say I got the rail because I was looking for something to take the place of my Shocker in case I couldn't fix it (which I did anyways.) It was cheaper than a PM6/PM7 and most of the threads/research I did indicated it wouldn't be a difficult gun for me to switch to and I've wanted a Proto since the 05's came out. I'm already familiar with spool valves, so yeah...
I also have a review, and ANOTHER thread somewhere about getting the gun and why - might wanna do a little reseach yourself for it...I will say this - if a person is too lazy to learn and take care of a spool valve, this is NOT the gun for you (you = generic everyone)
01-16-2007, 05:34 PM
*Does double take* Didn't you post a question on markers in the General Forum, as well?? Or am I just going crazy?? :confused:
01-17-2007, 04:57 AM
He posted that the Epiphany was the better gun and it's specs...so I'm confused as to his question here. I guess his mind is made up, or he was looking to start something.
I'll keep an eye on this thread, and if something gets going, it'll get shut down soon enough!
01-17-2007, 08:01 AM
he wanted to know what you recommended....
but i think hes in favor of the epiphany now