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TLXshoota
01-16-2007, 11:20 AM
I was told that I should get HPA for my TLX, what is it, what makes it better then co2? can I just put it in my co2 bottle? How much does it cost? I am a little lost on this whole thing, maybe a full description would help.

Thank you.

SparkyGT
01-16-2007, 11:39 AM
High pressure Air - what it does is give you consistent pressure, better for cold weather, there are hi regulated pressure bottles, 800 psi output which runs your tlx. Low pressure reg bottles for timmies, egos, which need lower operating pressures and you cant use , there are various sizes of bottles, 48 cubic inch 68 cu, 88 cu, and there are different pressures, 3000 to 5000 psi, i myself have bought a evil 68 cu in 5000 psi bottle, most shops here only fill to 3000 psi.

bottles range from 80- for heavy aluminum 3000 psi bottles to 200 for fiberwrapped tanks which are lighter


co2 bottles run around 1800 psi, so dont get them filled with high pressure air,

Hossy
01-16-2007, 12:45 PM
I was told that I should get HPA for my TLX, what is it, what makes it better then co2? can I just put it in my co2 bottle? How much does it cost? I am a little lost on this whole thing, maybe a full description would help.

Thank you.


No, dont put HPA in your Co2 tank, or Co2 in your HPA tank, they will explode.

There are two types of HPA, Low pressure and High Pressure, you should get High Pressure, low pressure was made for older angels.
a tank new will cost you about 50-60 bucks for the cheapest one, which i think is a PMI 48/3k tank. its is an aluminum tank, so it will be heavier than Fiber wrapped ones. The number on the tanks are as follows

The first number is the volume held, in Cubic Inches. so on the 48/3k tank, thats 48 cubic inches. The second number is the Pressure in Pounds Per Square inch... so thats 3000. A rough estimate on shots is to do this forumla.

CU IN x 10 = Shots You get

the 10 is for the 3k, if you had a 4.5k tank, use 15 where 10 is.
You can get many different Size tanks, but the pressures on them will be 3k, 4.5k, or 5k.

Some places only fill up to so much, so that should go into your idea on what to get

boomerisnuts
01-16-2007, 01:02 PM
:o i hope i am not hijacking this tread but what is good brand to buy from for an hpa tank? :confused:
boomer

Hossy
01-16-2007, 01:07 PM
Crossfire is a good brand
PMI is decent, and evil and dye have good tanks too

wbpaintball
01-16-2007, 01:39 PM
dogg, dont put hpa in your co2 tank itll blow up trust me i know from first hand experience. And also definately het hpa its like $50 but well worth it

wbpaintball
01-16-2007, 03:18 PM
That's a good question. Let's get a few things straight first. The terms "nitrogen tank" and "high pressure airĒ (HPA) tank mean the same thing. Fields and stores use compressed air to fill the tanks because air is more easily accessible. In the past, nitrogen was more readily available to fields than more expensive compressors. Today if you walk into a store and ask for a nitro tank or a nitro fill they will know what you mean.

Second, "high pressure" or "low pressure" refers to the actual output pressure of the regulator on your tank. The regulator controls the pressure that your tank will use in your gun. High pressure tanks usually output 800 to 850 PSI. Low Pressure tanks usually output 450 PSI. Preset tanks have a fixed output pressure from the factory which cannot be adjusted. Both HP and LP tanks have preset outputs. Adjustable tanks like the Nitroduck X-stream or the Empire Adjustable donít have a fixed output pressure and can be adjusted by the player to any output pressure they need. This article will focus on preset tanks because you can use adjustable tanks for any gun.

Now is HP or LP right for your gun? There are a few things to keep in mind when considering this. First, what pressure does your gun need to cycle and shoot a paintball? (This is called the operating pressure.) Tippmanns, Spyders and other entry level guns need 800 PSI or higher to operate, so you would need an HP tank with these guns to generate enough pressure to allow the gun to operate. So if you have a gun that needs 800 PSI to work and you hook up a 400 PSI LP tank to it, you are not putting in enough pressure to allow the gun to work. This is why you would need a high pressure tank.

Mid- to higher-end guns typically operate with less than 300 PSI input pressure and come with a high pressure regulator. High pressure regulators go inline (in between) the tank and the gun. These regulators can accept an input pressure of up too 850 PSI and regulate it down to a user-adjustable setting to meet the markersí LP needs. LP guns can use LP tanks. Using an LP Tank with an LP gun will result in better shot consistency over the chrono because you are not putting as much stress on the inline high pressure regulator. Having an LP tank with an LP gun will also prevent or minimize hot shots if your inline regulator fails. It will minimize the high pressure air spike going into the gun which will typically cause your velocity to spike up as well.

So in short, if you have an HP gun or an LP gun with an HP regulator, you can use an HP tank. LP guns can also use an LP tank. Some guns, like the Angel Speed 05, come with a built-in, inline LP regulator so they can only use LP tanks. As technology advances we are seeing more and more entry level guns becoming LP, so itís always best to check with the manufacturer of your marker for their tank recommendations. And never buy a new tank before you buy a new gun.

DO NOT PUT HPA IN YOUR CO2 TANK!
If you put hpa in a co2 tank it will blow up, trust me i know from first hand experience.

An hpa tank ranges from about $50 to $250, but i think a $50 tank will do just perfect for somebody at you standpoint.

the you have it, a full description

boomerisnuts
01-17-2007, 07:05 PM
at actionvillage all the dye tanks are the same price. for $228 i can get a 45 4.5, 68 4.5, 70 4.5, and a 91 4.5. which one should i look in to? every time i play paintball i use a little over a thousand balls. also how big is a the 91 inch? edit: i am now stuck between the dye throtlle 70 4.5 and a pmi pure fixed n2 tank (88 4.5). is there is a difference in qualitly between the two? pmi=$179. dye =$227.95
which one is better?
thanx
boomer:confused:

clickclicksplat
01-17-2007, 07:18 PM
at actionvillage all the dye tanks are the same price. for $228 i can get a 45 4.5, 68 4.5, 70 4.5, and a 91 4.5. which one should i look in to? every time i play paintball i use a little over a thousand balls. also how big is a the 91 inch?
thanx
boomer:confused:
I would recommend a 68/4500... A little over 1000 shots out of one of those depending on the gun.

According to Otter's website:
45/4500 = 720 shots
68/4500 = 1020 shots
88/4500 = 1320 shots
96/4500 = 1440 shots
110/4500 = 1650 shots
114/4500 = 1710 shots

If you're using an on-gun setup, I wouldn't go much bigger then a 68/4500. If you're using a remote some of the bigger tanks may be a better option.

SparkyGT
01-18-2007, 11:25 AM
dogg, dont put hpa in your co2 tank itll blow up trust me i know from first hand experience.

did the tank blow or the burst disk :confused: , i have seen several instances of people using hpa in regulated c02 tanks for testing, thing is it is way lower pressure not 3000 or more

Oscum Guy
01-18-2007, 11:58 AM
High pressure Air - what it does is give you consistent pressure, better for cold weather, there are hi regulated pressure bottles, 800 psi output which runs your tlx. Low pressure reg bottles for timmies, egos, which need lower operating pressures and you cant use , there are various sizes of bottles, 48 cubic inch 68 cu, 88 cu, and there are different pressures, 3000 to 5000 psi, i myself have bought a evil 68 cu in 5000 psi bottle, most shops here only fill to 3000 psi.

bottles range from 80- for heavy aluminum 3000 psi bottles to 200 for fiberwrapped tanks which are lighter


co2 bottles run around 1800 psi, so dont get them filled with high pressure air,
wait can i use my hpa tank for the spimmy im making?

Hossy
01-18-2007, 12:53 PM
wait can i use my hpa tank for the spimmy im making?

i think you have to....

bigred76
01-18-2007, 09:08 PM
:yeahthat: The solenoid inside that kind of marker cannot handle CO2. If you do attempt to do it, prepare to buy another 'noid for $50 a pop.