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ttam13xlpb
01-13-2007, 07:16 PM
etek ego or rail?:questionicon: if other then in that price range...less than 700 and plz tell which one and why

Hossy
01-13-2007, 07:38 PM
rail- Probably the Mid end spool valve that people want, because of the label, as well as trust in guns

Etek- the mid end not spool valve(idk what kinda valve it is)

Id take the rail

08Lud08
01-13-2007, 08:01 PM
I'd get a shocker or intimidator.

bigred76
01-13-2007, 11:33 PM
:yeahthat: Alias Intimidators are $350-450 used now, and Shocker SFT's are about there too. Another option could possibly be a PM5.

vikingshadow
01-14-2007, 04:57 AM
I have a shocker and a rail, and I can tell you this - although I haven't really played with the Rail yet other than just shooting it, if it stands up to playing hard as well as it shoots right now, my majorly UPGRADED Shocker is going to play backup to my totally stock Rail.

Now, I'm not one of those fanboys who thinks the Rail is going to be much better than any of those "high end" guns. I'm not into that at all. It drives me nuts when Ion owners do that. It also drives me nuts seeing people compare this gun to the ION. The only similarities is that it has composite polymer on the frame and feedneck, and it has breakbeam eyes, that's about it. However, it is a great gun, put out by a reputable company who apparantly has awesome customer service (never had to use it, so I don't personally know).

Just to qualify my previous statement, the Rail is lighter than the shocker. It's much more efficient than the stock Shocker - in fact, I was getting the same numbers out of my Rail as I get with my Shocker with the NDZ Stinger v3 bolt in it right now. Although neither have kick, my Shocker has what's called barrel rise - the barrel raises up when you shoot at a high rate of fire, nothing serious or even that noticeable, but the Rail has absolutely NO kick and NO barrel rise. It's ball on ball consistant. I shot a hopper at the field last weekend, and with the exception of a couple, the shot pattern was all within 10 - 12 inches. That's at a high rate of fire and the stock Proto 1 piece - not too shabby! My shocker had a loader full shot at about a 12-18 inch patter with a paint matched freak barrel on, but I attribute it to bad paint and that rise I told you about - still not bad, but not like the proto! The stock SFT board is not as versitile as the stock PMR board (PM7 board) having only semi and ramping. My Virtue has much more to it, but it cost 150.00 bucks - the rail board has 3 recorded modes and a secret/not so secret mode, so 4 modes all together (semi, PSP, Millenium ramping and NXL full auto).

I'm still not sure which is better so I'm going to have to play a bit more with them both. The Rail needs some care - it needs new parts to be better, but the stock gun is pretty amazing. Don't give me the "it's a plastic gun" bit, because it just doesn't matter on this gun. Seriously. Try one out and you'll see. It's not the best, but it's close to the best that I've shot before, and that's been a lot.

As far as the Etek - it's a lower level version of the EGO, yet still pretty expensive. Some people love EGOs. I personally didn't like shooting one. It didn't feel right. Oh, btw, to whoever wondered about the operation up there, the EGO isn't a spool valve, if I remember correctly - my friend has one, and I'm pretty sure it isn't. Too much kick and the bolt isn't enclosed, so I'm pretty sure it's a pin valve operation, but can't say for sure. The Etek may be though, as I haven't paid any attention to it.

After all that, it comes down to opinion. My opinion is that it's at least as good as my Shocker. I haven't shot an Etek, so I can't give you an opinion on that gun. My advice then is to read as much as you can on both guns - their problems, how great they are, reviews (I always read the bad ones first and try to sort out the ones that are just bruised ego's, pardon the pun), operation of both guns, ease of use, so on and so forth - I'll tell you right now, if you've never messed with a spool valve, and are going straight from a Spyder to the Rail, you're in for a treat when it comes to maintaining it! LOL! Much more complicated, but not difficult.

Then, after all your research is starting to sound the same, go out and actually shoot one. See which one you like better and get that one!

Hossy
01-14-2007, 05:04 AM
vike vike we need TDLR's!

but what he said is alll true

vikingshadow
01-14-2007, 05:12 AM
Nah, I thought about that, but the guy has a lot to learn and I wanted to be as thorough as possible for my opinion for him. It doesn't help that I'm teaching my class how to write a persuasive essay right now!

How's this? Cliff notes for the ADD.... Rail. Don't know about Etek. EGO not spool valve. Shocker is good, but may become second to my Rail. Intimidator's vike don't like. Research long time. Shoot both. Choose.

Man, that was harder than writing the first one! Now, If he doesn't read it, he needs to stick with his spyder, LOL!

marvin-martian
01-14-2007, 06:32 AM
I have a shocker and a rail, and I can tell you this - although I haven't really played with the Rail yet other than just shooting it, if it stands up to playing hard as well as it shoots right now, my majorly UPGRADED Shocker is going to play backup to my totally stock Rail.


man, thats really saying something considering that the only thing stock on your shocker is the body...

vikingshadow
01-14-2007, 08:59 AM
Yup, I know! This is the exact reason why I can't decide how I really feel about the Rail becoming my primary shooter.

To be honest, I tried going into this with a totally open mind as well so I wouldn't be swayed by any hype or anything. I'm telling you - the Rail is probably the BEST buy for a gun for the money out there right now. I mean, I honestly have a problem calling it a "high end" gun, but it's certainly not a mid level gun if I were to compare it to the Ions, promasters and wraths I've shot and the T1s I had. Those guns needed something to make it better be it triggers, eyes, rams, whatever. I mean, the Rail needs absolutely NOTHING to be a good performer, yet some of the parts are questionable and only further play will verify their durability, so that keeps it out of most "high end" categories. Someone called it a "lower-level high-end gun" - I just don't know what to call it. Guess we're going to have to get out of calling guns high, low or mid anymore, aren't we?

And here's the deal - if the Rail is the best gun for the money, and competes with my very upgraded shocker, then WHY do the so called "higher end" guns need to be that much more expensive?

Maxx-Damage
01-14-2007, 09:30 AM
Im voting for the rail, when i get the $ for it im gonna get 1 in olive dust. Its and affordable, ahs some upgrades out for it already. But the only complaints i know of on the rail though is the bad trigger and the bolt cap popping out.

Muddytaco
01-14-2007, 10:12 AM
For 700 you can get a brand new pm6 or nxt shocker. I would pass on the etek and get a used 05 or 06 ego instead. I don't have anything to say on the rail b/c i have never shot one.

Best thing you can do is go shoot what ever it is your looking at and decide based off the feel that you like.

08Lud08
01-14-2007, 10:12 AM
My friend has a rail and I love it but Ive wanted a shocker nxt and I love timmies. I could care less about efficiency because all the fields I go to have free all day air.

ttam13xlpb
01-14-2007, 10:47 AM
after reading everything i think i will go with the rail.it sounds great.

*EM1-Master*
01-14-2007, 10:48 AM
I'd go Rail over Shocker, IMO..... That's another Shocker owner saying that too.

vikingshadow
01-14-2007, 11:42 AM
Maxx - the trigger's not that bad. It's difficult when you practice walking the trigger without actually shooting it, but it's butter smooth when you actually shoot it with air and paint. I can't explain it, it's just weird. However, I am going to get an aftermarket trigger with it.

Lud - I love my shocker, and it's not even the NXT. I bet those are even better! However, I've never been a fan of Timmies for some reason.

ttam - make sure you REALLY research it and shoot it before you decide. A spool valve isn't as easy to care for as a Spyder. That goes for the Shocker as well. I'm definitely not trying to talk you out of it because it is a great gun, just some of your questions on this forum lately compel me to say this. A lot of newer people are getting this gun, then can't maintain it and end up saying it's a POS. Hate for that to happen again.

As far as research goes, although I don't like BSNation, I spent a LOT of time in the Dye forums reading about this gun - and then I found Matrixowners.com which is a good place as well, but not as much activity. Go to those places and read all the threads about it - then go to pbreview and read all the reviews there. Don't just rely on PBreview or BSNation because there's a lot of biasedness in both places, but they do help somewhat.

El Duche
01-14-2007, 12:13 PM
I personally love my etek. It works sorta like a timmy except instead of a ram sleeve they call it a valve. the operation is similar also.

and vike, when a barrel rises from a high rate of fire the proper term is muzzle climb.

vikingshadow
01-14-2007, 12:16 PM
:rolleyes: Well, excuuuusssseeee me!

My Shocker gets MUZZLE climb, LOL!

tater_salad
01-14-2007, 12:57 PM
I say Rail even though Ego's are pretty awesome.

spyderpaintball
01-14-2007, 01:07 PM
Here is how you choose:

Step 1: Go to local Store or Field

Step 2: Ask to see guns.

Step 3: Fire Guns.

Step 4: Buy what one you like.



I have not shot a PMR or and Etek. I have owned both a Minion(PM6) and currently an 06 Ego. Now I personally like the Ego more than the PM6 but i cant say that is going to be true for you. So follow my guide and you shall do well.

08Lud08
01-14-2007, 03:10 PM
Maxx - the trigger's not that bad. It's difficult when you practice walking the trigger without actually shooting it, but it's butter smooth when you actually shoot it with air and paint. I can't explain it, it's just weird. However, I am going to get an aftermarket trigger with it.

Yeah the rail trigger looks bad but its actually really good.

El Duche
01-14-2007, 03:17 PM
:rolleyes: Well, excuuuusssseeee me!

My Shocker gets MUZZLE climb, LOL!
sorry, it's just that I've spent a little too much time around firearms.

Theheroguy
01-14-2007, 04:46 PM
pmr use the extra $$$ for the rest of your setup