FenixAggrevation
12-21-2006, 06:45 PM
I have a spyder fenix. I bought this gun used. Since I have had this gun I have had problems with it. I have seen that many people have posted about this already but there don't seem to be any fixes. Just dead end suggestions.
1. The gun double-fires. One trigger pull, two shots cycled. Even when the the gun is on bursts or auto some shots will double cycle.
2. Trigger bounce -- Not likely, on semi auto I make sure that I firmly hold the trigger. Also, when I use burst it fires three burst plus whatever double cycles that occur. The double cycle is a very noticeable, very fast second shot. Tried using faster hopper, including Q-loader, but the cycle is either too fast or not a complete cycle.
3. Have found that if I turn the regulator down to 300-400 psi it will reduce the double fires and sometimes eliminates them. Also, my brother-in-law has an 06 Electra with eyes. and he has to turn his reg down to reduce double fire.
4. Tried to replace the main spring with high velocity spring to compensate for the 220 fps chrono speeds. Problem is that the gun will double-fire at even lower pressures. Even to the point of burping because the air is too low to cycle (300psi).
5. Decided to go all out and replace nearly all internal parts. Sear, Striker, valve, valve pin, cup seal, and all o-rings. And just for kicks I put in an acs bolt (have the pre-ACS version.) 100 bucks spent and the gun work just the same. Hence the user-name "FenixAggrevation".
Put the trigger frame on an unregulated stock mr1 and nearly every shot was
double firing. A little rough on my new sear.
Have searched this forum for "double firing". And it seems lots of folks are having the same prob. Ball detents? don't think so, the gun is cycling twice, not shooting two balls at same time. Usually chops the second ball.
Finally came across someone who said make sure the noid hasn't moved, and if that doesn't fix it shim the noid by putting a peice of metal the thickness of a dime behind the noid. Decided to try the shim. Found a piece of metal the thickness of a dime (used a dime). made sure the noid was all the way forward and put the dime behind the noid. Used stock valve spring and medium main spring from 32* spring kit. Ran several rounds of co2 through the gun even tried walking the trigger and short stroking the trigger to get it to double fire. It's fixed!!!
Wait a minute, I decided to put the high velocity spring in. Still no double fires. Went out to the back yard, and ran paint with both springs. No double-firing. Not sure why it is working, or if it is fixed for good. The dime does remove the slack between the sear and noid in the cocked position. This test was done at 600 psi, not sure what velocity. Obviously I am using co2 (20oz). And I think the outside temp was about 40-45 degrees.
going to try it with HPA soon (with and without the dime). would like to know why this works, and if I am risking damage to noid?
Will post the results of hpa test.
1. The gun double-fires. One trigger pull, two shots cycled. Even when the the gun is on bursts or auto some shots will double cycle.
2. Trigger bounce -- Not likely, on semi auto I make sure that I firmly hold the trigger. Also, when I use burst it fires three burst plus whatever double cycles that occur. The double cycle is a very noticeable, very fast second shot. Tried using faster hopper, including Q-loader, but the cycle is either too fast or not a complete cycle.
3. Have found that if I turn the regulator down to 300-400 psi it will reduce the double fires and sometimes eliminates them. Also, my brother-in-law has an 06 Electra with eyes. and he has to turn his reg down to reduce double fire.
4. Tried to replace the main spring with high velocity spring to compensate for the 220 fps chrono speeds. Problem is that the gun will double-fire at even lower pressures. Even to the point of burping because the air is too low to cycle (300psi).
5. Decided to go all out and replace nearly all internal parts. Sear, Striker, valve, valve pin, cup seal, and all o-rings. And just for kicks I put in an acs bolt (have the pre-ACS version.) 100 bucks spent and the gun work just the same. Hence the user-name "FenixAggrevation".
Put the trigger frame on an unregulated stock mr1 and nearly every shot was
double firing. A little rough on my new sear.
Have searched this forum for "double firing". And it seems lots of folks are having the same prob. Ball detents? don't think so, the gun is cycling twice, not shooting two balls at same time. Usually chops the second ball.
Finally came across someone who said make sure the noid hasn't moved, and if that doesn't fix it shim the noid by putting a peice of metal the thickness of a dime behind the noid. Decided to try the shim. Found a piece of metal the thickness of a dime (used a dime). made sure the noid was all the way forward and put the dime behind the noid. Used stock valve spring and medium main spring from 32* spring kit. Ran several rounds of co2 through the gun even tried walking the trigger and short stroking the trigger to get it to double fire. It's fixed!!!
Wait a minute, I decided to put the high velocity spring in. Still no double fires. Went out to the back yard, and ran paint with both springs. No double-firing. Not sure why it is working, or if it is fixed for good. The dime does remove the slack between the sear and noid in the cocked position. This test was done at 600 psi, not sure what velocity. Obviously I am using co2 (20oz). And I think the outside temp was about 40-45 degrees.
going to try it with HPA soon (with and without the dime). would like to know why this works, and if I am risking damage to noid?
Will post the results of hpa test.