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jr1992
12-17-2006, 06:51 PM
I'm gettin it for Christmas. I have already picked out some upgrades. Im gettin the .DYE Sticky 3 grips. Kingman Java Hopper???? not sure if its good or not. and and maybe a barrel. im more of a speedball player so i dont know if i should get one. I do play woodsball every now and then. guess it wouldnt hurt to get a 14" but how much would it effect the accuracy. I cant afford HPA. I am also probly getting a drop forward. just to let everyone know im a newbie. Ive played once. And I LOVE IT. I will play for the rest of my life.

CareBear-Killer
12-17-2006, 08:09 PM
You're gonna love it.

the grips are nice, and a 14" barrell will help. When I first used my electra, I did run out of CO2 rather quickly compared to some other markers... You may want to grab a 2nd CO2 tank if you like to shoot a lot. Otherwsie, an HPA tank and scuba tank are a great investment. That way you can play for quite a while shooting as much as you like.

jr1992
12-17-2006, 08:21 PM
thanx. i guess the HPA tanks are expensive at first but good over the long run. i was definate thinking about buying 2 20oz of Co2. and what barrell should i get.

bigred76
12-17-2006, 11:54 PM
Haha, I know exactly what you mean about the sport. Welcome to the forums, btw. We're a bunch of PBers that you can feel free to ask any question to without feeling stupid. :)

For the ACS, you will want to break it in. You do this by compressing and decrompressing the spring a couple hundred times or so. Just sit back and chill while watching some TV or something while doing it.

Java hopper... eh.... not the best. It's just a gravity feed. Based upon your marker, I'd reccomend either a ViewLoader eVLution2 or a Halo/Reloader B. The Halo/Reloader will be more expensive, but better in the long run for its high feed rate. The Eggy (eVLution2) will be fine for most markers up to about 17bps. I wouldn't trust it with more unless it were Z-Boarded (like an Egg3, or just an Eggy with a Z-Board... a Zeggy). It's all up to your budget. You can pick an Egg up used on PBN for fairly cheap (eh, $35 or so), or just might snag a deal here if you post a WTB thread in the Sales Corner. Halo/Reloader B's can run you anywhere between $50 and $175. It depends on what they have on them. A good, solid base one should be sufficient for your means. I don't reccomend a Revvy for this marker as it can shoot way faster than the Revvy feeds, and even a first-time player can acheive a high BPS from the marker with a minimal amount of exposure to it.

HPA tanks are expensive. Plain and simple. They're $100-150 for a used one at the start, and depending on the tank, need to be rehydro'd every 3 or 5 years (all said and done $30-50), with a maximum service life on the bottle as well. The benefit of them is the wider variety of markers you can use, more shots per tank than CO2 (most times), and all day air at the speedball fields. Two 20oz's will be more than enough for a Spyder for a day, unless you go through as much paint as I do... heh.

As for barrels... any CP One Piece, J&J Ceramic, Smart Parts Progressive/ Teardrop/ All American/ Freak, DYE Ultralight, or Stiffi. That's in a list of how I personally would rank those barrels, from lowest to hightest. There are many other barrels out there, those are just the ones on the top of my mind right now. That order is also in order from lowest to highest price.

I know I just typed a lot, and I hope it helps you some with finding out more about the wonderful sport of paintball. Feel free to ask more questions here or just drop me a PM if you have a quickie in the future. :)

Backmanshooter
12-18-2006, 12:38 PM
I'm gettin it for Christmas. I have already picked out some upgrades. Im gettin the .DYE Sticky 3 grips. Kingman Java Hopper???? not sure if its good or not. and and maybe a barrel. im more of a speedball player so i dont know if i should get one. I do play woodsball every now and then. guess it wouldnt hurt to get a 14" but how much would it effect the accuracy. I cant afford HPA. I am also probly getting a drop forward. just to let everyone know im a newbie. Ive played once. And I LOVE IT. I will play for the rest of my life.The grips are good. I have them on my ion. As for the hopper, you may want to get something thats force fed. A 14" barrel will help your accuracy as long as the paint to bore match is good. HPA would be a very good investment if you plan on playing for a while. Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt there a drop forward already on the electra? Buying a new drop forward would just be a waste of money, IMO.

Oscum Guy
12-18-2006, 01:02 PM
yes get the stickys, but not until you get an hpa tank. i got them and love them. for a barell and a drop forward you shouldnt get until you get an hpa tank. it is most important above all else. the electra come with an ok drop forward and a pretty good barrel. you should also get an electric hopper before the other stuff too. get performance before cosmetics. for a barrel a smart parts linear 14" is good and cheap. you can get a 45ci 3000psi tank for about $50 on the internet.

btw- dont spend more than $20 on a 20oz co2 tank.

jr1992
12-18-2006, 03:10 PM
i thought kingman made an electric hopper. or at least i saw one. i will post the link.



http://www.anythingxtreme.com/Kingman-Fasta-18-Volt-LCD-Hoppers-P18352C1476.aspx?UserID=12528148&SessionID=0NPbC37DmKWvmOOMOkvX

jr1992
12-18-2006, 03:11 PM
Kingman Java Hopper............I meant a Kingman Fasta Hopper it feeds supposedly up to 30 bps. and its lcd. sorry about the confusion.

Moose
12-18-2006, 04:01 PM
Ok here is my 2 cents... I am an eleven year vet to the game. I play BOTH styles religously... I run NOTHNING but Spyder in 11 years.. ok i owned a 98 Custom for likr a month :( ... I have an MR2, Electra 06 w/eyes, Pilot, Compact Deluxe, and an MR1.

If I were you I would go for either the Electra 06 or the NEW VS series as they have an antichop eye system. For a hopper I would go NOTHING other then the Halo B, the "eye activated" one. It loads 30bps and is the ONLY hopper so fare to keep up to MY electra.

Again this is my 2 cents. Also just to be warend, the Rocking trigger takes some while to get use to as it is UNLIKE any other trigger system. Either way a spyder is a good gun.

jr1992
12-18-2006, 05:14 PM
i cant afford the halo B. well isnt that the one thats like $140. the "Fasta" feeds the same speed. and u guys know alot more than i do so. Can you break in the ACS just by shooting it or do you have to take it apart.

Backmanshooter
12-18-2006, 06:32 PM
Fasta hopper seems like junk.

vwjimmy
12-18-2006, 07:00 PM
There is a Fasta Hopper review in the Member Reviews section....
I have run 'Eggys" (Viewloader eVLoution) with great success on my Spyders and they are a good lower cost alternative.....
You can break in an ACS bolt without taking the marker apart by cocking the marker, shoving something down the feedneck like a swab or rag, then attach your tank...switch on the marker and fire away until the tank is empty! It is the funnest way to do it and works well!
Congrats and again...
Welcome to the KUSA/SOC Forums!

CareBear-Killer
12-18-2006, 09:40 PM
There is a Fasta Hopper review in the Member Reviews section....
I have run 'Eggys" (Viewloader eVLoution) with great success on my Spyders and they are a good lower cost alternative.....
You can break in an ACS bolt without taking the marker apart by cocking the marker, shoving something down the feedneck like a swab or rag, then attach your tank...switch on the marker and fire away until the tank is empty! It is the funnest way to do it and works well!
Congrats and again...
Welcome to the KUSA/SOC Forums!

Yah, what he said. hehe

dry firing the marker is the most fun way to break it in... Its also the easiest way to give your parents or little siblings some messy pants.

The eggs are great hoppers. You can pick up the Evo2 for about $60, and they'll keep up with the electra just fine.

Also, I think the Freak barrel kit is atleast one of the best barrel kits you can get.. since you can match the paint to your barrel with ease, which guarentees the best accuracy. I can also say the CP's are nice. I run one of those and usually shoot xball or proto paint, and the match is pretty good.

bigred76
12-19-2006, 11:46 AM
I'ma have to call you out there, Oscum. "A comfy hand is a well shooting hand." If I'm not comfortable holding my gun, then I don't shoot quite as well. HPA can come after comfort, ESPECIALLY with a budget baller. CO2 will do fine for starters.

Seems like you've found the review, JR, so I'm not gonna bother linking you. It looks like a good idea, but I'd let it play out some before buying it. Noone knows how durable it is yet. Halo's feed 25bps and are $50-175. Just depends on what you get on them and the condition they are in. I think there's a Hybrid Shell'd Cheetah Board'd Halo with a delrin drive cone in the sales corner for $170, actually. For you, a good condition base model will be sufficient if you choose to go that route, and cost $55-85.

Oscum Guy
12-19-2006, 12:52 PM
im not saying i dont reccomend the stickies. which i really do. they are awesome and so much better than the stock ones. they are very comfortable. im just saying that hpa will really improve the guns perfomance. maybe your right. its just a personal preference. that is what most people here suggest and base advice from.

bigred76
12-19-2006, 01:02 PM
Yeah, your preference isn't "wrong" in any sense, but with a limited budget, I'd personally prefer to be shooting comfortably and well with CO2. I've done it for a long time up until I moved to high-ends that required HPA, and never had a big problem with it.

jr1992
12-24-2006, 03:40 PM
hey i got my gun out today didnt buy n e paintballs but just shot co2 and let's just say this gun is awesome. i was shootin wicked fast. the rocking trigger is a great invention. but my velocity adjuster screw popped out and i lost it. help!!!!!!!!! but it does get VERY cold. does that hurt anything. it does make your hand go numb.

bigred76
12-24-2006, 11:01 PM
You mean the set-screw on the adjuster, or the adjuster itself?

The cold is from the thermodynamic properties of CO2, which requires great amounts of energy to turn from a liquid to a gas, and sucks it from the heat from the air around it.
...Basically, the CO2 made it cold. It's normal for higher rates of fire to see "frost" or "snow" coming out the front of the barrel. It's normal for it, and expected, and will normally not harm your marker.

I'd reccommend getting gloves for the cold, even if they're simple knit ones. Paintball specific ones offer some grip and armor to make it more comfortable during play, though.

jr1992
12-25-2006, 09:48 AM
the lock screw. i think that is what its called it locks the velocity adjuster to where u cant change it. it like a little tiny screw. where can i get one.

bigred76
12-25-2006, 01:37 PM
Ah, Druid has the thread list in the general forums. I think it's 4-40's metric equivelent offhand.

clickclicksplat
12-25-2006, 04:38 PM
the lock screw. i think that is what its called it locks the velocity adjuster to where u cant change it. it like a little tiny screw. where can i get one.

Meh, you can do perfectly fine without that screw... it fell out of my friend's E99 a while back and he hasn't had any problems... you just have to chrono the gun to 280-90 and never adjust it.

jr1992
12-25-2006, 05:29 PM
dont u have to have that in order to play in tourneys. and stuff.

clickclicksplat
12-25-2006, 05:52 PM
Dunno honestly, never done it... it's possible. The NPPL Rulebook says:

"Markers with any form of external velocity adjusters must be
modified in such a way that the velocity adjuster is not readily accessible during the course of the game."

Not sure if having that screw in counts as not readily accessable, or if it has to be modified in some other way...

jr1992
12-25-2006, 06:24 PM
bout how much does a co2 refill cost.

clickclicksplat
12-25-2006, 06:36 PM
anywhere from $2-$5 for a 20oz, depends on where you get it filled. If you play at an established field, most include all-day air with your entry fee.

bigred76
12-25-2006, 11:37 PM
If you're gonna be playing in tournaments, I'd sugest getting a new screw altogether that requires an allen wrench to adjust it. Just a thumb-screw in the right threads. Requires only a trip down to the hardware store with your existing adjuster and getting a screw there that has the same threading.

jr1992
12-26-2006, 10:15 AM
this one did require an allen wrench screw to turn it. but im goin to get some co2 and paintballs. so i ttyl

clickclicksplat
12-26-2006, 11:00 AM
The lock screw does, the velocity adjuster itself doesn't.

jr1992
12-27-2006, 09:24 AM
im gettin the evo 3 hopper. next week. i have to babysit my little sister. but hey moneys money. no matter where it comes from. and then i told my parents to get me an HPA tank and a DYE 14" Ultralite barrel and DYE STICKIEZ for my b-day . and thats all im doin to my gun.

bigred76
12-27-2006, 11:16 AM
Sounds like a good plan! :) The stock one is a thumb adjuster.... lol... What I mean is taking that out and replacing it with a thumb screw, like the ones on the older Spyders.

jr1992
12-27-2006, 05:46 PM
yea i figured that out after the 2nd time i read it. where do u get one. ebay? i know wat ur talkin about my uncle has one on his spyder xtra.

bigred76
12-27-2006, 11:34 PM
I got mine from my local field as they don't allow thumb adjusters. You could go down to Home Depot and get one too; just bring your thumb adjuster along and find a thumb screw with the allen head in the same threading. I think it's 10-24 or 8-24 threads, but I'm not sure.

jr1992
12-28-2006, 02:02 PM
well,,,, my gun came with spare parts and all that junk.i put a new screw in from the spare parts went to shoot. totally forgeting about the screw falling out last time. came back in rememberd to look and it was gone. i dont know wat to do.