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claustrophobia9
10-26-2006, 12:19 PM
Note:DO NOT ARGUE WITH PEOPLE ABOUT THIER POLICAL STANCES

this thread is designed for you to post your ideas of politics and critiques of politics, not to flame other people. please feel free to:

express your own politcal standpoint (ie your utopia) and politely mention the problems with laws, taxes, polocies made by those in office

polietly critique other's comments, as long as you dont get anxious or mad about it, its just a discussion


Do NOT post:

insults

flames

polical hate/minority or majority hate/complaints or *****ing about how others may do these things/animosity towards opposing view points

stuff you'll get banned for or this thread will be closed for



this is just a discussion and a pool of ideas, not a hate orgy, we're generally all mature enough to keep our anger out of posting... i hope.


go. ill post as soon as im done organizing my revolutionary ideas that most of you will think are insane.

marvin-martian
10-26-2006, 12:39 PM
i dont agree with our welfare system. most people on it become lazy because theyre getting enough money to live off of for free. we should have a cutoff date so those people will be actively looking for jobs and becoming a thriving member of our society. when the cutoff date comes, and they still dont have a job, then too bad. they had theyre momentary safety net and didnt take advantage of it. theyre fault, boo-hoo.

claustrophobia9
10-26-2006, 12:46 PM
i agree with increasing societarial desire
but i think most efforts would be severly rejected by much of society. in order to kick welfare riders into action i think you would really need to merge the plans at such a slow pace that everyone accepts them slowly, rather than get outraged all at one time.

i would propose we find new methods of education. it seems like we're learning everything too many times, too inefficiently, and at too slow of a pace in certain regions and too fast in others.

calebh
10-26-2006, 04:40 PM
ooo i wanna see claus's revolutionary ideas :D

shunut
10-26-2006, 04:42 PM
I predict that with in the next week if not sooner this thread will be closed.

Prove me wrong guys.

On that note at the first sign of arguing or flaming this thread will be done.

calebh
10-26-2006, 05:10 PM
ya, im thinkin so too. but since no one else is really willing to start it off

i consider myself pretty moderate, but i think most, especially where i live, would consider me a liberal. soo... my perfect society is...

true socialism. unfortuneately, its not possible to attain true socialism. so my views...

- higher taxes, better health care and retirement for everyone.
- abortion banned, but the govt pays for and promotes adoption centers
- no death penalty
- small military that never leaves our soil
- govt would avoid any foreign entanglements
- no political parties
- total separation of church and state. that includes the original intent of the founders and what the "godless liberals" want. whether you allow the government to pick and choose religion, or religion to pick and choose the government, the end result is the same. a theocracy.
- loser pays all legal fees in any lawsuit
- all natural drugs legalized and regulated, end the war on drugs

i guess that will do for now. im sure i forgot some, but there you go.

marvin-martian
10-26-2006, 05:24 PM
im personally for the death penalty. my reason being that it lessens the amount of tax dollars needed to go to prisons. the death penalty is cheaper than having people serve life in prison and having to pay for their food, clothes, water, guards, and heat until they get old and die in 40 years.

another thing is that having inmates sit on death row makes the prisons general population safer by not having convicted murderers with them. some may complain about the people on death row growing psychologicly unstable and suicidal due to their time in isolation, but i say if an inmate tries to kill themself, let them. it will save the taxpayers money, and make room for the next person at the same time. this will make things roll along smoother and faster.

its all about efficiency.

Total90Oliver
10-26-2006, 05:28 PM
Wow^^ Really good point, im young and I don't really have Political Theories and ideas, so I will just comment

calebh
10-26-2006, 05:29 PM
um, claus said something about politely critiqueing (sp?) others' comments, soooo...

on the cost of the death penalty, it is actually cheaper in almost every case to keep a person in prison for life than to execute them. the vast majority of that extra cost is due to the extra trials necessary to ensure that they are guilty. and we still execute innocent people. heres a linky :) http://www.mindspring.com/~phporter/econ.html

Total90Oliver
10-26-2006, 05:32 PM
IM not gonna say its bad or anything, im just gonna comment on something that i agree with so nothing starts up

durrell
10-26-2006, 05:39 PM
Even if a GOOD debate starts, as long as the flaming doesn't begin, I will allow it to stay open. It is possible to INTELLIGENTLY debate. If the PBN Politics forum has managed to do it, we can do it here at SOC. ;) But try to stay away from the debates as much as possible..I'll try to think up a few ideas later and post them for your viewing pleasure. :p

marvin-martian
10-26-2006, 05:46 PM
then get rid of the multiple court cases they go through. isnt it an amendment that we cant go to court for the same case twice anyway? why have a double standard? and of course some innocent people are being declared guilty, but that happens in all sorts of cases all the time. juries are human and are liable to make mistakes.

calebh
10-26-2006, 05:46 PM
it took me a minute to figure out what SOC was lol. i was thinking a christian halo clan im a member of. www.teamsoc.net

oh, another bit to add to my political views...
- paintball should be made the national sport

shunut
10-26-2006, 06:04 PM
I don't like our programs for health care and disability.

I also believe that if you want to make a big deal about political stuff you should be old enough to vote. Before then enjoy your youth.

durrell
10-26-2006, 06:15 PM
I also believe that if you want to make a big deal about political stuff you should be old enough to vote. Before then enjoy your youth.

Eh. I think the opposite. The "enjoy your youth" is part of the problem we have today. Too many kids that "enjoy their youth" that when it comes time to vote, they're completely ignorant as to what to do and who to vote for.

calebh
10-26-2006, 06:17 PM
I also believe that if you want to make a big deal about political stuff you should be old enough to vote. Before then enjoy your youth.

hmm... no comment shunut... i wouldnt mind a debate on that one, tho :D

something else i thought of. i would get rid of the electoral college.

EDIT: lol D's my new hero :P