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OtterSC
10-14-2006, 11:43 AM
Yes, finally! the pics are bad (to me). but since i am being pestered about this review, here it is... link (http://www.ottersccustoms.com/vs-review.html).

Enjoy!

i will probably be adding some minor additions like the valve has lithlium grease.:rolleyes:


and yes, i welcome questions in this thread. like if you can use CO2.

Hossy
10-14-2006, 11:48 AM
otter, AMAZING REVIEW!!!!
and i saw ur other thread, but are u still selling them or no?

poopman9201
10-14-2006, 12:07 PM
im sorry.... again

OtterSC
10-14-2006, 12:45 PM
otter, AMAZING REVIEW!!!!
and i saw ur other thread, but are u still selling them or no?

yes.

and Poop, no worries. :)

CareBear-Killer
10-14-2006, 01:57 PM
Nice! Excellent review Otter.

As far as the coupling idea for the foregrip... I thought about that myself. I kinda wonder if somewhere like Home Depot doesn't sell something that would work... or atleast the parts to make something that would work. ...even though it may not be as 'pretty' as something a company may produce.

vwjimmy
10-14-2006, 02:03 PM
Great Job Otter....
The pics were not bad at all!!!!!
Thanks for tearing her down and showing us under her skirt! :)

pbfreak3221
10-14-2006, 04:49 PM
Wow, that is a very detailed amazing review! Thanks, for it otter!

DRAGON
10-14-2006, 05:55 PM
Ha Ha......April fools......"coming soon!" - :dodgy:

Hob Hayward
10-15-2006, 06:20 AM
Awesome otter, great job, but you didn't compare it to the ion...

08Lud08
10-15-2006, 06:25 AM
That is a great review. It answered many of my questions. But I want to see a vid and no one has made one yet.

SharpObjects
10-15-2006, 11:59 AM
Awsome review and very detailed, as always.

Spinal
10-15-2006, 03:40 PM
good review chief:cool:

newkid
10-15-2006, 04:00 PM
I hit the link but it says coming real soon

OtterSC
10-15-2006, 07:00 PM
corrected a few pics that did not show. like the sprin comparison and the eye plate.

Mech Warrior
10-16-2006, 06:29 AM
How long is the stock VS main spring?

OtterSC
10-16-2006, 06:45 AM
How long is the stock VS main spring?

can't you tell by the pic??? :rolleyes: it is about 7.5 loops shorter. http://www.ottersccustoms.com/images/face/icon_lol.gif

http://www.ottersccustoms.com/images/vs-spring.jpg

TheRedBarron
10-16-2006, 07:17 AM
Otter im mad at you, they never sent me a VS work mat for my display. I see how I rate.

OtterSC
10-16-2006, 07:22 AM
Otter im mad at you, they never sent me a VS work mat for my display. I see how I rate.

heh... i have 2 now... the VS pad... and a nice rubber pad that says Spyders on it.

TheRedBarron
10-16-2006, 07:25 AM
I have an Angel one so :p

bamf-hacker
10-16-2006, 07:32 AM
yeah well I have a mega mat from CompUSA...

So there... :)

Otter I want one I'll buy it to support the site if you like :)

Mech Warrior
10-16-2006, 07:34 AM
can't you tell by the pic??? :rolleyes: it is about 7.5 loops shorter. http://www.ottersccustoms.com/images/face/icon_lol.gifDoh!!:foreheadslap:

druid
10-16-2006, 08:34 AM
alright...that tears it. I recant every "poo-poo" I ever said and am getting one. I'm a little bummed about the black/rocking trigger thing but hey...you can't please everyone all the time...Now...to save up teh bux!!

OtterSC
10-16-2006, 08:47 AM
yes.... save and buy my VS3.

Hob Hayward
10-16-2006, 11:45 AM
Blast, I want to buy one, but I want to hear how it compares to the Ion, but no one will say :(.

OtterSC
10-16-2006, 11:56 AM
both the ION and VS are good markers for what you pay for. but i had made mention that an ION uses a certain mechanical operation that is way different than a VS. basically, the VS operates LIKE A STANDARD SPYDER as a blowback. the VS uses springs to propel the hammer into the valve pin... and a valve spring to close the valve. the only difference for the VS versus Spyder is the new valve design that lowers the operating PSI.

poopman9201
10-16-2006, 12:01 PM
But which one is better (gun wise) thats what no one will tell us, we all know ones BB and the other is EP

Hob Hayward
10-16-2006, 12:07 PM
both the ION and VS are good markers for what you pay for. but i had made mention that an ION uses a certain mechanical operation that is way different than a VS. basically, the VS operates LIKE A STANDARD SPYDER as a blowback. the VS uses springs to propel the hammer into the valve pin... and a valve spring to close the valve. the only difference for the VS versus Spyder is the new valve design that lowers the operating PSI.

I know how they both work, but I'm more curious as to how they feel in comparison, as in kick, and weight etc.

Aedonite
10-16-2006, 12:12 PM
.... save and buy my VS3.

Is this kind of a Star Wars thing?

Otter:....Save and buy my VS3.

Waves hand at computer screen ala Obi-Wan

The rest of us (with glazed over eyes): Yes, we will save and buy your VS3.

Might have worked on me but I picked up a VS2 from Oregon Paintball on Saturday:yay:.

OtterSC
10-16-2006, 12:13 PM
and that there is the hardest question to answer as we all have different opinions/wants/likes/needs.

if you want to throw in Phantom along with these markers, then MY opinion is that the Phantom is better.

just between the ION and the VS, i could say that the VS is better. but Dre could chime in and say that the ION is better.

it is really what you are looking in a marker.

the VS is so new that the quirks are still not know. one quirk could be the lack of fire modes. but, then again, if you are tourny, then this doesn't matter about modes as your marker needs to be locked in semi-auto. so, right there is a need/want that one needs to weigh. course, there is a board that will be released soon.

the bottom line is, it is personal preference. i made the review so that you can see everything about the VS. at least, most everything. look for an equal review for the ION and make an E-Educated decision. the first E stands for electronic if you cannot hold and try one out. as that really will tell you how they will feel.

OtterSC
10-16-2006, 12:15 PM
Is this kind of a Star Wars thing?


heh... if you are refering to my Avatar... wrong sci-fi universe. ;)

poopman9201
10-16-2006, 12:16 PM
what range can the vs2 (stock) still hit ball-on-ball

OtterSC
10-16-2006, 12:20 PM
what range can the vs2 (stock) still hit ball-on-ball

the stock barrel is pretty good with medium paint. i had used a mixed bag that i had left over. no major deflections.

shot to shot velocity was pretty stable with no shoot down. then again, i am not a fast shooter. more snap shooting style. but what i could try, i did not notice anything like that.

barrel wise, i would always recommend an aftermarket barrel that matches your paint you use most.

poopman9201
10-16-2006, 12:22 PM
ok, but what range (20 ft 30 ft ect) and whats the +/- of the stock reg

OtterSC
10-16-2006, 12:29 PM
ok, but what range (20 ft 30 ft ect) and whats the +/- of the stock reg

i try to do an average of short and long. 50ft. i cannot say what type of paint as it was a mixed bag. sorry... review on a budget.

the +/- was around 3 with HPA.

poopman9201
10-16-2006, 12:30 PM
wow, so is that after or before its broken in, and after its broken in, wont this be very good,

OtterSC
10-16-2006, 12:32 PM
yes... i too was impressed with this regulator. pretty consistent right out of the box.

poopman9201
10-16-2006, 12:35 PM
so for a tournament player, nothing really needs to be changed, the board is fine with semi auto, the barrel is as good as some aftermarket ones, the reg is very good, what would you segust to help in tounaments?

OtterSC
10-16-2006, 12:54 PM
as a tournament player.... practice with a team and do your individual skills. the marker is just a tool. and i think the VS is a good tool.


on a side not... i like/prefer pump over all other. with markers that are semi... i like mechanical. then electronic. however, i like the VS as it has a good design. the bolt extraction is one. the low operating pressure is another right from the box.

SharpObjects
10-16-2006, 03:21 PM
With HPA, how good is the recharge rate on the reg Otter?

RomeNYRR
10-17-2006, 04:42 AM
WOWWWZA, that was an awesome review. good job otter

OtterSC
10-17-2006, 04:42 AM
How long is the stock VS main spring?

the main spring of the VS is 3" long.


good day all, added a few more pics to the review this morning. such as a side by side comparison of the following...

bolts
detents
trigger grips

i also added a lot more of the special item that makes the VS unique.... the valve.

and, a pic showing the end of the body next to a Spyder. you will notice a different shape.

also, on a side note, i was not able to fit an Intimidator LPR/VA. there is interferance on the body of the VS body that could be cut, grinded, sanded to allow for a fitting.

and a note to those that have both buffers in hand... make sure you place the right one in the right place. pics in the review.

Mech Warrior
10-17-2006, 06:41 AM
the main spring of the VS is 3" long.
Thanks. I'm hoping they'll fit my Saturday Night Special BE Raider (and that someone will start making them in various strengths).

Now alls I need is a valve spring to fit it...

STRIKEFIRST
10-18-2006, 10:56 AM
Hey otter someone on PBN said that the VS2 body looks cheap up close. What are your feelings about that?

OtterSC
10-18-2006, 11:13 AM
hmm... sorry but when you put those two words together (PBN and said), i tend to ignore it as it is somebody just wanting to put something down or just jealous. besides, define cheap. besides, i think some high end markers look goofy.

now, my personal feelings... i like the dust finish on them. of the 4 markers i had in, they all had good milling to them. unlike the "older" Spyders where in some places you can see some circular marks from the milling machine.

poopman9201
10-18-2006, 11:45 AM
you should do a video review, ive seen a video review of the impy before, and its pretty neat.

fanersk
10-18-2006, 04:21 PM
thanks otter for the great review.... if i weren't soo soo poor...

is there a vs1?

OtterSC
10-19-2006, 03:34 AM
is there a vs1?

i will suspect that the VS1 was the proto-type to see what worked and what didn't. or, could have been the latest Spyder.

STRIKEFIRST
10-19-2006, 05:53 AM
hmm... sorry but when you put those two words together (PBN and said), i tend to ignore it as it is somebody just wanting to put something down or just jealous. besides, define cheap. besides, i think some high end markers look goofy.

now, my personal feelings... i like the dust finish on them. of the 4 markers i had in, they all had good milling to them. unlike the "older" Spyders where in some places you can see some circular marks from the milling machine.

Thanks Otter that is exactly the answer I was looking for. :)

OtterSC
10-19-2006, 06:38 AM
Thanks Otter that is exactly the answer I was looking for. :)

which part, the first or second paragraph? :p

STRIKEFIRST
10-19-2006, 08:38 AM
Well....BOTH!

Ace24
10-19-2006, 04:29 PM
That is a great review. It answered many of my questions. But I want to see a vid and no one has made one yet.


Me too!

Ares
10-23-2006, 10:29 AM
how does the trigger feel in comparison to the older spyder triggers? is it wobbly or loose at all?

it may be just a little wobbly.




and for those just waiting.... the Electra T-Board fits and works well in the VS.