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Theheroguy
09-24-2006, 05:35 AM
I was thinking of getting a phantom to play stock class but I wanted to know why they are so expensive if they have so less complex than their semi-auto electro cousins. What would you recomend for stock class thats under $300

Also I'm not talking about all the special annodized phantoms because I know that cost a lot

chubb0rz
09-24-2006, 05:59 AM
They are that much because you shoot alot less :p

taurinic
09-24-2006, 06:06 AM
you could get a sniper2 for less than that. Take a look around PBN or stockclasspaintball.com

colonel_moo
09-24-2006, 06:09 AM
they are expensive for the same reason other guns are expensive. quality of parts.

you can get cheaper pumps, phantoms are pretty much top of the line. i have an SL-68II for 58 shipped. you can also get sniper IIs or traccers/mavericks pretty cheap.

QAZ123
09-24-2006, 06:14 AM
Some pump's are expensive due to limited quantities and quality of part's.

Your CCI Phantoms, Carter Buzzard's and CCM SS25's (just to name a few) are expensive due to them all being made with the best material and pretty much being hand made and not coming out of an assembly line. Also with those product's your are getting the best pressure output's due to coming out with the best top of the line internal's.

Phantom's are awesome and well worth. Too me Buzzard's need to drop in price. SS25's are sweet.

If your looking to just play pump and have some cash pick up a sniper 2 or buy an old autocker and a pump kit. Should set you back about $150 maybe less if you look around. Some cost more though mine I wouldn't take under $250 for it.

JB.

phatphil
09-24-2006, 06:22 AM
Sniper 2.

Hossy
09-24-2006, 06:37 AM
its the same reason the DM6 is 1000, and the spyder is 100....
brass eagle talon would be the spyder in this case, and the phantom would be DM...quality of parts, how well there made, etc.

why is a a toyota like 30,000 bucks, compared to a ferrari, which are quite a bit of money.

QAZ123
09-24-2006, 06:48 AM
Sniper 2.

FTW!!

If a phantom didn't run at 800 psi I would argue. That's my only problem with phantom's and the only reason I have a problem with it is breaking tournament grade paint and you can't double pump without breaking paint.

Phantom's are still de bomb though!

JB.

Hob Hayward
09-24-2006, 08:09 AM
I've double pumped a few times with no broken paint, in fact I shot out my friend with a double pump once. Course I did gog him and it was pretty close range...

QAZ123
09-24-2006, 08:13 AM
I double pump all the time. Sometimes on purpose just to put two ball's one somebody so they know not to turn on me lol!

But with really brittle paint it's a pain sometimes. Me and my buddy played a pump tourney with paint that Infamous left at NPPL Boston and it was so brittle I could hardly use it in my sniper. My buddy was somewhat ok as his run's at a lower pressure.

JB.

Theheroguy
09-24-2006, 08:19 AM
oh ok

Baozer
09-24-2006, 08:56 AM
=D you can buy my 1999 Sniper II Autococker and put a pump kit on it ^_^

QAZ123
09-24-2006, 08:59 AM
Just remember to buy a pre 2000 pump kit.

JB.

Theheroguy
09-24-2006, 09:26 AM
If I put a pump kit on the cockerit still wouldn't be stock class would it?

QAZ123
09-24-2006, 09:32 AM
It would be consider open stock class. Put a stick feed and a 12 gram changer on it then it would but I wouldn't do so.

JB.

DRAGON
09-24-2006, 09:41 AM
My 2nd Phantom cost me less than $200 but it's not in a stock class configuration. The first one I bought in '88 cost me just over $200. I think if you want to play pump but have never experienced it, you should use c/a w/a 50rd hopper first till you get the feel of pump play. I see alot of people buying pumps and a couple months later selling them. I think it may be because they are already inexperienced with pumps and play with semi and electro players and get their asses handed to them trying to continually change 12g's and 10rd tubes.

Theheroguy
09-24-2006, 09:43 AM
can a superstock get the conversion?

http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/4403/

or is it only for mechanical cockers

QAZ123
09-24-2006, 09:45 AM
I think it may be because they are already inexperienced with pumps and play with semi and electro players and get their asses handed to them trying to continually change 12g's and 10rd tubes.

Werd! It's heck of a lot harder and not for everyone.

JB.

DRAGON
09-24-2006, 09:50 AM
You can always take a Phantom and change it to stock class after you get a little experience and give the semi's and electro's what fer after you have a little experience, but from the gate I really don't recomment mixing with them because pump play is a whole different tact and accuracy experience that it seems most today have not participated in -

bigred76
09-24-2006, 10:25 AM
Mechanical only, as far as I know, HeroGuy.

I was considering making my Black Magic a pump too... Just playing with the idea, but I'd go with a WWA kit because I know it's top of the line. It's only ~$62 shipped from the factory, so it isn't too much into my pocket if I sell the pnuems.

QAZ123
09-24-2006, 11:58 AM
Like thirty something if you buy the economy kit!

Pump handle is really small though.

JB.

Baozer
09-24-2006, 12:45 PM
i still think someone should buy my autococker and then buy a pump for it ^_^

Theheroguy
09-24-2006, 03:00 PM
has anyone used a sheridan? that got good reviews and their pretty cheap, but maybe their cheap because they're inferior

bigred76
09-24-2006, 03:38 PM
Like thirty something if you buy the economy kit!

Pump handle is really small though.

JB.
True, but I prefer the extras that the Premium kit comes with. If I couldn't get one of those I'd get a CCM.

Cheap isn't always inferior, HeroGuy. ;)

QAZ123
09-24-2006, 04:32 PM
has anyone used a sheridan? that got good reviews and their pretty cheap, but maybe their cheap because they're inferior

Like a Sheridan pgp or something along those lines? I wouldn't call them inferior but a little harder on efficiency/velocity and maintenance.

I wouldn't recommend it if it's going to be your only pump.

I'd love to have a PMI1 though.

JB.

Recon by Fire
09-24-2006, 04:57 PM
Pumps are great, more in tune IMHO with the real spirit of paintball. It seems today it is more technology over substance.

The pumps are pretty appropriately priced except for those Buzzards! GTFO! Best quality/price combo you can get is the Phantom. They are very versatile, quality made, and perform top notch. Plus you can get into a brand new one for under $200. You can always get a good deal on a used one also. I sold mine a few years ago for $350 used and i'm sorry I did.
http://home.houston.rr.com/doublenot7/Pict0144.JPG
http://home.houston.rr.com/doublenot7/Pict0143.JPG

But if pump is not going to be a common theme for you, I suggest something that works and is cheap. I picked up a LNIB ACI Hornet for $50. It is a Nelson based pump much like the Phantom. Since I really don't get to play, i'm just gonna depend on this cheapo to get me by for pump fun. I still need to fix her up a bit though.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b70/doublenot7/Paintball/Hornet.jpg

I had a nice CCM Series-5, if you are going to play modified pump, this is a great choice! I sold mine awhile back for $310 too.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b70/doublenot7/Paintball/DSCF0005.jpg

Hob Hayward
09-24-2006, 05:25 PM
Wow you have alot of nice guns in tha pic...

I don't know all too much about pumps, but I'm pretty sure the Sl-68 is good along wiht many of the other "low end" pumps like the taccer and the maverick. Plus all of those are pretty cheap and you could pick any of em up for less than 100$.

Theheroguy
09-24-2006, 05:58 PM
ahhhh playing pump isto expensive I might opt of doing this until I get more money

Hossy
09-24-2006, 06:00 PM
playing pump if anything is cheaper than playing anyother way, noob

bigred76
09-24-2006, 06:44 PM
No need for namecalling, now. ;)

If you get a pump marker, you will spend less in the long run, but it will cost you something (like everything always does) to get the cheaper play-time. IMO, it's worth it. If it isn't worth it to you, then by all means: stay with your semi-auto markers.

Theheroguy
09-25-2006, 11:57 AM
No need for namecalling, now. ;)

If you get a pump marker, you will spend less in the long run, but it will cost you something (like everything always does) to get the cheaper play-time. IMO, it's worth it. If it isn't worth it to you, then by all means: stay with your semi-auto markers.

it seem more expensive in the beggining because all of the markers are so good they're more expensive but the money saved on paint prolly makes that up in a month or 2

Recon by Fire
09-25-2006, 06:53 PM
Get yourself a Hammer, Traccer, Maverick, Hornet, Tagmaster (all really the same just about) and you can play for cheap.

nbishop66
09-25-2006, 10:08 PM
Like many other "old timers" here, I was playing on a 7 man team back in the late 80s with pumps. My weapon of choice was a Line SI Bushmaster Deluxe 14" barrel. In my opinion the BM was a much better gun than the Phantom. Phantom felt flimsy. I never like the skinny rail that was attached to the pump. It felt like you could snap it. The BM had two much thicker rails used for cocking, plus what they called an auto trigger. You could hold in the trigger and pump the hell out of it without lifting your finger to fire. I wish I still had my old BM Pump.

BTW. I paid $450 for the BM Back in 1986.

Baozer
09-26-2006, 10:36 AM
since we are on the topic of pumps.... how much is a pmi traccer pump worth?

Hob Hayward
09-26-2006, 12:02 PM
$50?

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