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vikingshadow
08-19-2006, 12:17 AM
At the 1994 annual awards dinner given for Forensic Science, AAFS President Dr. Don Harper Mills astounded his audience with the legal complications of a bizarre death.

Here is the story:

On March 23, 1994 the medical examiner viewed the body of Ronald Opus and concluded that he died from a shotgun wound to the head. Mr. Opus had jumped from the top of a ten-storey building intending to commit suicide.

He left a note to the effect indicating his despondency. As he fell past the ninth floor his life was interrupted by a shotgun blast passing through a window, which killed him instantly.

Neither the shooter nor the deceased was aware that a safety net had been installed just below the eighth floor level to protect some building workers and that Ronald Opus would not have been able to complete his suicide the way he had planned.

Ordinarily," Dr Mills continued, "Someone who sets out to commit suicide and ultimately succeeds, even though the mechanism might not be what he intended, is still defined as committing suicide." That Mr. Opus was shot on the way to certain death, but probably would not have been successful because of the safety net, caused the medical examiner to feel that he had a homicide on his hands.

In the room on the ninth floor, where the shotgun blast emanated, was occupied by an elderly man and his wife. They were arguing vigorously and he was threatening her with a shotgun. The man was so upset that when he pulled the trigger he completely missed his wife and the pellets went through the window striking Mr. Opus.

When one intends to kill subject "A" but kills subject "B" in the attempt, one is guilty of the murder of subject "B."

When confronted with the murder charge the old man and his wife were both adamant and both said that they thought the shotgun was not loaded.

The old man said it was a long-standing habit to threaten his wife with the unloaded shotgun. He had no intention to murder her.

Therefore the killing of Mr. Opus appeared to be an accident; that is, assuming the gun had been accidentally loaded.

The continuing investigation turned up a witness who saw the old couple's son loading the shotgun about six weeks prior to the fatal accident.

It transpired that the old lady had cut off her son's financial support and the son, knowing the propensity of his father to use the shotgun threateningly, loaded the gun with the expectation that his father would shoot his mother.

Since the loader of the gun was aware of this, he was guilty of the murder even though he didn't actually pull the trigger. The case now becomes one of murder on the part of the son for the death of Ronald Opus.

Now comes the exquisite twist.

Further investigation revealed that the son was, in fact, Ronald Opus. He had become increasingly despondent over the failure of his attempt to engineer his mother's murder. This led him to jump off the ten-storey building on March 23rd, only to be killed by a shotgun blast passing through the ninth story window. The son had actually murdered himself so the medical examiner closed the case as a suicide.

(A true story from Associated Press, Reported by Kurt Westervelt)

Sac
08-19-2006, 12:50 AM
shens.

chubb0rz
08-19-2006, 06:02 AM
I believe in karma whole heartedly. This may seem a bit far but you never know.

durrell
08-19-2006, 06:39 AM
Wow that's...weird.

vwjimmy
08-19-2006, 06:49 AM
Karma, reaping what you sew, do un to others.....
its all the same and I beleve in it whole heartedly!!!
This story is verification.

TheRedBarron
08-19-2006, 11:36 AM
That is the best murder book I have ever read.

Hossy
08-19-2006, 11:37 AM
watch monk, and psych, on USA!

calebh
08-19-2006, 02:11 PM
lol thats hilarious.

the older shows of monk are the best. the new ones are too sappy. and psych is ok. its definitely funny, tho. but the best, is the show that comes on after monk and psych. house is the bombizzle

DRAGON
08-19-2006, 02:23 PM
I beleive whatever you do comes back to you, good and bad -

claustrophobia9
08-19-2006, 02:45 PM
i read this like 3 years ago... neat but no way it happened, its clearly an engineered story.

Victa_Balla
08-19-2006, 03:09 PM
I can see that happening. That is nuts man...

vikingshadow
08-19-2006, 04:51 PM
I guess I do believe in what goes around, comes around - you reap what you sew, so on and so forth, so I suppose that could be considered karma.

I'm not sure this really happened, but they do say where they got it from so I guess one could verify the story one way or the other. I think that if it didn't happen, it's cool to see how an author's mind can wrap itself up into the story so that in the end, you come completely full circle from the start.

claustrophobia9
08-19-2006, 07:59 PM
I can see that happening.
i can see all of it up to the part where the guy who is argueing with his wife doesnt hear police cars outside and fires a shot right as his son jumps and happens to be in the exact place at the exact time... etc it would just be such a fluke that i would never even consider it possible unless i saw a police report of a similar incident.

smakdacrak
08-19-2006, 09:25 PM
I can see this kind of event happening. Just part of probability. Anything can happen. Just a matter of time. BUT HIS SON!!?!??! lol

chubb0rz
08-20-2006, 05:59 AM
i can see all of it up to the part where the guy who is argueing with his wife doesnt hear police cars outside and fires a shot right as his son jumps and happens to be in the exact place at the exact time... etc it would just be such a fluke that i would never even consider it possible unless i saw a police report of a similar incident.
why would he hear police cars?

colonel_moo
08-20-2006, 09:29 AM
yeah i dont think that could happen. how often do people jump from roofs to commit suicide? and how often do shotgun shots blast through walls? for both of them to happen at exactly the same time in the same exact place is like 600,000,000,000,000:1

plus could shotgun pellets even go through the brick and steel walls of an apartment building with enough force to still penetrate a man's skull with enough force to kill him instantly?

Hossy
08-20-2006, 09:31 AM
completely missed his wife and the pellets went through the window striking Mr. Opus.


it went through a window

durrell
08-20-2006, 10:21 AM
Claus sometimes I wonder what planet you're on..

claustrophobia9
08-20-2006, 10:56 AM
why would he hear police cars?
there were police/firemen outside with a net to catch him in when he jumped then before he landed in the net he got shot... thats how i heard the story atleast, i dont know if it was mentioned in this, i read the beginning and the end to see.

Team Ramrod
08-20-2006, 11:01 AM
nope, safety net for workers, no cops/ fireman

marvin-martian
08-20-2006, 11:02 AM
im suprised claus had the attention span to read it...

claustrophobia9
08-20-2006, 11:02 AM
nope, safety net for workers, no cops/ fireman
the one i heard 3 years ago had firemen or police with the net. on snopes its window washers

btw... i win. http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/opus.htm

im suprised claus had the attention span to read it...
if you would have read the thread you would know i DID NOT read this one.... :dodgy:

claustrophobia9
08-20-2006, 12:48 PM
*everyone else but sac and a few others* "zomg claus was right, i should kiss his toes!"


omg! thanx guys!