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Angel69
08-10-2006, 04:53 AM
ok so i dont know how to spelll alqida so i improvised.... but did anyone else hear about the planes in london? they arrested 21 ppl that were gunna fly and blow up 10 planes... this **** is startin to piss me off i say we just drop a bomb or osmething...there lucky they got arrested and not capped off by some air marshal.. i was listening to the news and they think since august 22nd is some alqida new years or holiday they will be planning something "big" like 3xs as large as twin towers...?

no idea

bamf-hacker
08-10-2006, 05:10 AM
Al Qaeda


and now the airports are on Red and Orange alert. They are not allowing any liquids in carry on bags, except for Baby formula and juice for kids. But they need to be tested first.

Angel69
08-10-2006, 06:16 AM
watching the today show and....if u go to an airport mcdonalds or something and get a packet of ketchup u cant bring that on the plane either....

im glade i dont have to fly today

thechubbss12
08-10-2006, 07:10 AM
LOL Noob terrorist and there lack of money for bombs LOL.... im suprised they have enough money for food....

DisIsMyUsername
08-10-2006, 07:39 AM
Yea....

Sucks cause they're messing w/ us. They planned on making explosives out of liquids and storing them in contact lens cleaner bottles, which is why they are testing all liquids and aren't allowing handbags to board planes. The only thing people are allowed to carry is their wallet and passports inside a clear plastic bag. I think those precautions are only for flights coming from europe to the US.

imo, I think it's all hype. Nothing's gonna happen and they're only messing w/ us so that way later on we're oblivious to some other day. Man it could all be some type of code for some other day which is why security should be somewhat as tight as it is today. At all times. Have any of you flown lately before today? It seems like they've ignored security issues since 9/11. w/e happend to the new stricter policies on security?

vikingshadow
08-10-2006, 07:40 AM
Story here. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060810/ap_on_re_eu/terror_plot_the_big_one)

Actually, they weren't too noobish. This was far more planned and developed than any other attack. This was supposedly a bigger plot than before, planned over several weeks and until recently only watched. The liquids were supposed to be combined on the plane and then detonated - when they bought the detonators was when the arrests started.

We have definitely stepped up to another level in terrorism....I don't think it was hype at all. These people are out to kill you and me just because we live here and for no other reason. Personally, we have become lax over the past few years, but we can't afford that anymore. Too many people out there hate us.

claustrophobia9
08-10-2006, 07:46 AM
They planned on making explosives out of liquids TNT is a liquid before its added to the stabilizing paste. the problem is that if you put it in a contact lense case, and a contact was in there... one slosh and you loose your hand.

honestly, id like to know what their BFD is. People speak when they want something and make rational jumps, people dont intimidate to get what they want, animals do that.

DisIsMyUsername
08-10-2006, 08:06 AM
TNT is a liquid before its added to the stabilizing paste. the problem is that if you put it in a contact lense case, and a contact was in there... one slosh and you loose your hand.

honestly, id like to know what their BFD is. People speak when they want something and make rational jumps, people dont intimidate to get what they want, animals do that.

Yea......

I dunno jack about liquids and explosives. I just read it earlier on a local news site. How would you lose your hand? I'm confoosed lol. and what's BFD?

druid
08-10-2006, 08:31 AM
what he's talking about is the NitroGlycerin. It's completely unstable on it's own.

and I think they were using binary liquids...like the stuff you can get to start campfires. Each on their own, they are safe and (almost) inert... combine them and **BOOM HEADSHOT!!**

xNinja-Dolphinx
08-10-2006, 11:24 AM
Angel you saidn something about dropping a bomb? That is the whole problem, authorities are doing thier best to find and neutralize these threats, but they live among ordinary people which makes them hard to find.

splaturout
08-10-2006, 11:52 AM
The other hard part about this whole situation is there is an easy answer. Do not allow anyone to bring anything on the plane besides a magazine to read! They were going to use cell phones and Ipods to detonate the bombs. How could you stop that. Who is to say that a 5 people with plastic explosives couldn't sneak on the plane. They could store the explosives in a shoe or inside a false shaving cream bottle (kinda james bondish) and then take a cell phone from another person who just happened to be on the plane and blow it up. I mean it would not take much plastic explosive above the wings (i.e. the fuel tanks) to take down a plane. The only problem....we are to spoiled to do that and rely to much on these modern day comforts.

Oh-well. They stopped it! Much Respect! Keep up the good work.

DFSniper
08-10-2006, 01:32 PM
i was at the airport (Frankfurt) last week. they now have the x-ray machines when you get in line to go to the counter, and they check all you baggage that isnt carry-on. and my mom said that state-side its supposed to be even tighter.

xtraking
08-10-2006, 07:20 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207879,00.html

So yeah what do you think?

durrell
08-10-2006, 07:25 PM
We need to leave Iraq and start caring for ourselves before we get really effed up.

The Pink Panther
08-10-2006, 07:25 PM
i think my uncle is going to jail :dodgy:

durrell
08-10-2006, 07:36 PM
i think my uncle is going to jail :dodgy:

hahahahahahahahaha

big_daddy_d
08-10-2006, 08:10 PM
i think my uncle is going to jail :dodgy:
WTF's that gotta do with the fact that when I fly next week I have to report 3 hours early to the airport and I can't hand carry my jack daniels and coke onto the plane?

Angel69
08-10-2006, 08:36 PM
idc what we do but i say we have a open alqida (or how ever the **** u spell it ) hunting season http://i22.ebayimg.com/01/i/05/3e/f5/52_1_b.JPG


helll ya

DRAGON
08-10-2006, 08:50 PM
WTF's that gotta do with the fact that when I fly next week I have to report 3 hours early to the airport and I can't hand carry my jack daniels and coke onto the plane?

Then fly first class el cheapo lol - ;)

DFSniper
08-11-2006, 12:49 AM
idc what we do but i say we have a open alqida (or how ever the **** u spell it ) hunting season http://i22.ebayimg.com/01/i/05/3e/f5/52_1_b.JPG


helll ya

lol, my neighbor's boyfriend had a North Carolina one.

druid
08-11-2006, 04:11 AM
I think some people tend to forget.....



we



didn't



start



this


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splaturout
08-11-2006, 04:20 AM
:yeahthat:

Nuff Said.

druid
08-11-2006, 04:28 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v388/druidsdecendant/Twin%20Towers%20attacked/terror-Pentagon-Attacked-043.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v388/druidsdecendant/Twin%20Towers%20attacked/Pentagont911.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v388/druidsdecendant/Twin%20Towers%20attacked/crater1.jpg







http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/docs/crater1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/flight93site.html&h=267&w=400&sz=25&hl=en&start=4&tbnid=mEwcQpdFHT4NdM:&tbnh=83&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3D911%2Battack%2BPennsylvania%26svnum%3 D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DDVXA,DVXA:2006-15,DVXA:en

On 9-11...regardless of their 'stance' on warm everyone in the United States wanted some revenge. We're not avenged yet and I don't think we should stop until that bastard's head is mounted on the front door of White House. Period.

DisIsMyUsername
08-11-2006, 06:48 AM
damn.......

It's been awhile since I've seen pix of that day.

Everytime I do a chill runs down my spine and I get so freakin pist.... then I get sad, and then I get mad again lol. It almost seems surreal...... it's been almost 5 yrs..

OK......let's bomb those *****es.

xtraking
08-11-2006, 06:53 AM
damn.......


OK......let's bomb those *****es.
we are and have been. We've taken out many of their top men as well... where have you been these past few years? haha

DisIsMyUsername
08-11-2006, 06:57 AM
lol, I know.... Let's just do it again for trying us yesterday!! :mad:

Angel69
08-11-2006, 07:45 AM
have you forgotten? by Darryl Worley



I hear people saying we don't need this war
I say there's some things worth fighting for
What about our freedom and this piece of ground?
We didn't get to keep 'em by backing down
They say we don't realize the mess we're getting in
Before you start preaching
Let me ask you this my friend

Have you forgotten how it felt that day
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away?
Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside
Going through a living hell
And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout Bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

They took all the footage off my T.V.
Said it's too disturbing for you and me
It'll just breed anger that's what the experts say
If it was up to me I'd show it every day
Some say this country's just out looking for a fight
After 9/11 man I'd have to say that's right.

paintballer5646
08-11-2006, 12:23 PM
I'm pretty happy about them acting and arresting these people. My dad flies 5 days a week for his job, he said he doesn't care about the added time it takes to get through security, it just assures his saftey.

claustrophobia9
08-11-2006, 12:55 PM
i think the government needs to come up with a super elite-all-star-killer task force to take out these terrorists. my suggestion is the 8 man power team:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Ding.jpg
ding chavez, a born leader

http://membres.lycos.fr/christophepons/_borders/chuck_norris.jpg
chuck norris, the western bruce lee

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2005/10/15/bruce-lee.jpg
bruce lee, the asian chuck norris

http://laerer.vucaarhus.dk/PN/Jack%20Bauer.jpg
jack bower, he never dies

http://www.collateral.jp/images/top00107.jpg
tom cruise from collateral to fend off possible zenu forces

http://www.tk421.net/gallery/pictures/neo.jpg
neo, a better question is, why not?

http://www.ketnet.be/ketnet/images/programmas/lazytown/stephanie.jpg
Stephanie from nick jr.'s "Lazy Town", the elite task force of the world couldnt exclude women, that would be wrong

and last but not least
http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/oscar-figure-01.jpg
oscar the grouch, for possible reconassiance via trashcan.

DisIsMyUsername
08-11-2006, 12:57 PM
Yea, I don't think anyone should have a prob w/ it anyway. People just get too used to the way things were, and complain about changes even though the changes are for the better.

I'm freakin glad the UK acted upon this the way they did. Seems to have been very effective and completely haulted their attack. Kinda scary when you read stuff that says they intercepted and decoded a message that said “Do your attacks now.” Turns out to be a couple of people of Pakistani decent...

Check this out. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14297890/

druid
08-11-2006, 04:34 PM
I tried to post my own rendition of "3000+ Reasons to Nuke Them" but the list of names of those that died in the Towers had too many characters to post in here (10,000 character limit)...how sad is that? - can't post the names of those killed because of "size limits' to a forum board? AND there's a 10,000 character limit??
It kills me, everytime the whiners start "we ned to get out of there"...those images I posted should be FOREVER BURNED INTO EVERYONE'S CONSCIOUS MEMORY - If for nothing else, to act as a reminder of why we are there. We didn't start it but we BETTER damn-well finish it - REGARDLESS of our losses.

...and let's not mince words. We appear to be fighting a losing battle because as a general rule, we don't fight the cowardly "guerilla" fight. They hide behind women's headwear/clothes. They wrap bombs around their bodies and run into schools, crowds of civilians and churches to detonate them. They improvise weapons and leave them on roadways for whomever to find...military or not. They mustard gas their own people. They spout religion to justify their cause which appears to be "get rid of the Evil Empire (the US) when in fact, they are cowards, fighting to regain their 'totalitarian" way of life. The rich and powerful, no longer are...and they want it back.

Imagine the US Government doing the same thing on Domestic ground...to blacks, Jews, Christians, Athiests, Latinos, Germans, Irish, all Illegal Imagrants, anyone who wants an education, anyone who plays paintball, anyone who disagrees with what they say, anyone with red hair, anyone with tattoos or piercings....and even then, you only have a mere 'taste' of what the Iraqi people have to deal with. The 'people' live on less than $100/YEAR income, fight to find food on a daily basis, worry that Uday or Kusay would drag their 11 year old children or siblings out of class and rape them in the parking lot.
No one here has a freaking CLUE what goes on over there...yet they have the balls to ***** "we don't belong there." Well, scroll up my friends and be reminded....

claustrophobia9
08-11-2006, 06:47 PM
Imagine the US Government doing the same thing on Domestic ground...to blacks, Jews, Christians, Athiests, Latinos, Germans, Irish, all Illegal Imagrants,
we don't have to imagine it, blockbusters been renting it since august first.

calebh
08-11-2006, 09:56 PM
umm... druid... iraq and saddam had nothing to do with 9/11...

as for finishing this idiotic war in iraq... now we have no choice. pulling out now could be even more catastrophic than beginning this thing was.

as for the war on terror... how about an attack on saudi arabia? you know, since saudi arabia is actually connected to al qaeda...

fighting the cowardly guerrila fight? we did it in our revolution. when you go against a superior force, thats what you do.

they justify their war with religion? how about they were invaded illegally by an army promising better times that has brought little more than death and strife to much of the country. and what exactly what do we justify it with? 9/11? thats fine for afghanistan, since the taliban actually harbored al qaeda, but saddam and bin laden werent exactly the best of friends... maybe its spreading democracy? when democracy and islam finally mix successfully in the middle east, dig up my coffin and slap me a few times. im sure ill come back just to see it.

----------

you know, i look back at history, and i just have to laugh. just think how much of this is our own fault. the cia coup in iran in 1953 to set up the current government... supporting saddam in the iran-iraq war in the 80s... and thats just a little bit... we screwed ourselves over pretty good this time...

druid
08-12-2006, 02:57 AM
um calebh...Iraq...Sadaam, his armies and his sons trained, provided shelter to and helped fund Bin Laden's cause. They deserved every bit of what they got/get. Don't presume to tell me what you hear on the daily news, my brother is over there STILL from when this all went down. I know more than you on this subject, most of which I cannot post. Suffice it to say that you have a lack of information which causes you to think the way you do.

Attack the saudis...hrm, ok. Well, considering we get most of our oil from them and Kuwait...I don't see that happening. Your gas/oil will be $50 a gallon...stop the foolishness.

cowardly guerrilla fighting against soldiers is one thing. Taking out civilians is another. What a ***** maneuver you defend....

Yes, they justify their war with their religious Jihad...and the best part is, it's NOT a 'Holy War' except in the eyes and minds of the power players and religious zealots...but they have the people brainwashed into believing it's true so they do what they are told.
Like I said...sadaam financed much of what they have...their training, weapons, housing... and as far as 'not fulfilling our promise of "better times" - well, they (terrorists and sympathizers) keep blowing up and destroying the things we place there...or fix...or build...like power distribution stations, generating plants, etc...
Although I respect your opinion, you have no clue about a great many things...but keep reading the papers and watching the 6 o'clock news for all your info...because of course, they don't have an agenda of their own now do they ? :eyeroll:

calebh
08-12-2006, 07:38 AM
his armies and his sons trained, provided shelter to and helped fund Bin Laden's cause

ive gotta say ive never heard that before... ever. mind posting a link to some info? ill do the same for all the statistics here in this post to make things easier :)

Don't presume to tell me what you hear on the daily news, my brother is over there STILL from when this all went down

i got friends and relatives there too. which is part of why i want this war over. ill get to the news later...

Suffice it to say that you have a lack of information which causes you to think the way you do.

:roflmao: you ever consider being a political pundit like bill o'reilly or rush limbaugh? youve got that same arrogant im right, youre stupid attitude :p and im not being entirely unserious.

Attack the saudis...hrm, ok. Well, considering we get most of our oil from them and Kuwait...I don't see that happening. Your gas/oil will be $50 a gallon...stop the foolishness

they have oil... all the more reason to attack them.

cowardly guerrilla fighting against soldiers is one thing. Taking out civilians is another. What a ***** maneuver you defend....

and yet they keep getting recruits from iraqis... the body count of iraqi civilians is somewhere between 40000 and 44000 (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/) and for whatever reason, a very small percentage of the insurgents are not from iraq, despite what the republicans in office claim. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4268904.stm) heres a reason for that put forward by Anthony Cordesman, an Iraq analyst with the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies: "People are fed up after two years, without improvement. People are fed up with no security, no electricity, people feel they have to do something. The army was hundreds of thousands. You'd expect some veterans would join with their relatives, each one has sons and brothers." (http://archive.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=35545)

keep reading the papers and watching the 6 o'clock news for all your info...because of course, they don't have an agenda of their own now do they indeed, and its not liberal. thanks to bush, inc., almost the entire mass media is owned by 5 corporations: Time Warner, Disney, General Electric (what on earth are they doing with media?), News Corporation, and Viacom. heres a list of who owns what. http://users4.ev1.net/~taragem/media.htm

you have your 3000 reasons for a war on terror, which in my mind doesnt include a war in iraq. ive got 3000 reasons to pull out, or at least change something. then theres many many more times as many civilians who arent known. http://reports.iraqbodycount.org/d/ibc_names_list_a4.pdf

druid
08-12-2006, 08:36 AM
:roflmao: you ever consider being a political pundit like bill o'reilly or rush limbaugh? youve got that same arrogant im right, youre stupid attitude :p and im not being entirely unserious.


I see that you must be a liberal democrat...the convo goes right to attacks and insults when you have nothing more intelligent to contribute. Ever consider running with Hillary for the next "Taxation, feel good-dream team?"

I'm done until a mre intelligent posts are added.

DRAGON
08-12-2006, 08:38 AM
OK yew poly-titionz.........keep it civil -

claustrophobia9
08-12-2006, 09:36 AM
Hillary
*shudders* taxation is the least of our worries with her...

splaturout
08-12-2006, 09:42 AM
Hillary is a HER?????

Oops.

splaturout
08-12-2006, 09:47 AM
Any way you guys look at this...we are in a war....lets protect our people. It is the whole "we shouldn't be there" attitude that got us in trouble in Vietnam. Lets not do that ok. It is OUR people over there. Pulling out will do little in stopping these "lets blow up planes" people...but finishing what we started no matter how long will help if not completely prevent another 9/11 from happening.

If someone has ties to the bad guys (Bin Laden or whoever wants to harm US) they need a swift kick in the nads...then snipped off and asked to play nice. We are better now that Saddam is gone wether it is monies being brought through there or his mass killings.

Who is next?

calebh
08-12-2006, 11:20 AM
ive gotta say ive never heard that before... ever. mind posting a link to some info? ill do the same for all the statistics here in this post to make things easier :)



i got friends and relatives there too. which is part of why i want this war over. ill get to the news later...



[edited out to be "more intelligent"]



they have oil... all the more reason to attack them.



and yet they keep getting recruits from iraqis... the body count of iraqi civilians is somewhere between 40000 and 44000 (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/) and for whatever reason, a very small percentage of the insurgents are not from iraq, despite what the republicans in office claim. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4268904.stm) heres a reason for that put forward by Anthony Cordesman, an Iraq analyst with the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies: "People are fed up after two years, without improvement. People are fed up with no security, no electricity, people feel they have to do something. The army was hundreds of thousands. You'd expect some veterans would join with their relatives, each one has sons and brothers." (http://archive.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=35545)

indeed, and its not liberal. thanks to bush, inc., almost the entire mass media is owned by 5 corporations: Time Warner, Disney, General Electric (what on earth are they doing with media?), News Corporation, and Viacom. heres a list of who owns what. http://users4.ev1.net/~taragem/media.htm

you have your 3000 reasons for a war on terror, which in my mind doesnt include a war in iraq. ive got 3000 reasons to pull out, or at least change something. then theres many many more times as many civilians who arent known. http://reports.iraqbodycount.org/d/ibc_names_list_a4.pdf

on a completely different note, id like to ask what you consider "Suffice it to say that you have a lack of information which causes you to think the way you do" and "you have no clue about a great many things" if not attacks on my credibility. you would be perfect as the next rush limbaugh. and this time, im being very serious. i, for one, added links to my claims. so ignore the personal insults, if thats what you consider being told you could make millions on the radio, especially ones with smileys around them so as to keep this conversation civil, and reply to my uninformed, unsubstantiated, and unintelligent post. (thats sarcasm, btw)

my political orientation does not matter in this discussion, and neither does how i feel towards hillary running for prez, or taxes. youd probly be surprised

splaturout
08-12-2006, 11:49 AM
I am no political person...nor am I one to get involved with them...reading your links makes no difference to what you are saying. Just because you have a link on the web (which NOT everything posted on it is accurate) does not make you more right. What if you found out that there was more to the story than the press knows? Kinda like when we "leaked" where we were going to be attacking and then we attacked else where because Saddam was just watching CNN. So what if the government is holding back info to all the press? Isn't that the National Secrecy is? If we gave out all the info we had all the time and posted it on the web we would not be a world power. Also your links are to mostly Europe press releases. I wouldn't trust them for anything. What is their agenda? In the US I know what the agenda is. In the UK I do not so I am going to take EVERYTHING out of those countries with great caution. Maybe you like being told things...I like to find them out for a fact.

In one of your links they admit to not knowing how many people are involved. I think it says something like 20,000-200,000...that is kinda a big swing to be off by.

BTW...they started it...remember 9/11? Do you honestly think that it was COMPLETELY planned out in Afgan. only? Do you think that there might have been a chance they were in Iraq? or got moey through Iraq? hmmmm

calebh
08-12-2006, 12:13 PM
google it. i picked one link. out of many. if you like to find things out for yourself, see how many websites will descredit the statement that the majority of iraqi insurgents are foreign. or whatever else you want to find out.

the range? what does it matter? just look at the ratio. a maximum of 1/10 of the insurgents are foreign. maximum. possibly as few as 1.5% are foreign, if my math is right. although, other estimates put it between 4 and 10. i can link to two more american publications with that stat if you wish...

if something is wrong with finding information from as many sources as possible, foreign and domestic, plz tell me what it is. the bbc reports on some things that cnn wont, just like cnn reports on some things the bbc wont. and ppl say the american media is liberal...

splaturout
08-12-2006, 12:24 PM
So you think that BBC has a better inside track on the American Government? hmm....the range? what does that matter? That means that they do NOT have all the info and thus are not correct representation of the truth. I have nothing against foreign reports, but that is like trying to get the news for New York through the L.A. Times. That is all.

druid
08-13-2006, 07:44 PM
Saddam's history - http://www.studyworld.com/biography/historical_figures/saddam_hussein.htm

The sons - http://www.desert-voice.net/saddam_sons.htm

the atrocities - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam's_Iraq

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33813

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter061903.asp

there are tons more...google it...

Saddam's association with Al Qaeda....

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132682,00.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/768rwsbj.asp

http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1734490&page=1

there are at least 150 more pages of google links I could post. I don't think it's necessary though, I've made my point.

As said before...there's a lot of information that the BIG 3 news agencies leave out. If you don't see or hear it, then it's "not" true...right?

Saddam helped finance Bin Laden. Saddam's son(s) would have inherited the throne upon his death/removal. The son's are/were as bad or WORSE than the father and would likely have turned Iraq and the rest of the Middle East into the next Soviet Union (are you even old enough to remember it before its down-fall?). The sons are/were so hated, multiple assassination attempts were made...BY Iraqis!! The initial finding of 10s of thousands of Atropine injections, haz-mat suits and gas masks are a HUGE indication of Chemical or Biological Warfare munitions...

Simply put, they attacked us first...whether they were directly or indirectly involved is immaterial, our response is not only morally correct, it's down right necessary.

...and let's not forget...everyone in any branch of the military is there by their own free will. They weren't drafted, they weren't compelled to join...they enlisted and now they are needed. Some will die. Deal with it. I know I will have to if my brother is one that does...

xtraking
08-13-2006, 07:52 PM
why do people say its about oil? If it really were the case, bush would of started drilling in alaska like he wants too, and i havent see any action of us trying to steal oil or anything, oh and the prices? eyah those are high too. Stupid liberals

claustrophobia9
08-13-2006, 08:04 PM
why do people say its about oil? If it really were the case, bush would of started drilling in alaska like he wants too, and i havent see any action of us trying to steal oil or anything, oh and the prices? eyah those are high too. Stupid liberals
it is about oil, but less about our need for it, and more about the fact that those who make oil have plenty of money to do whatever they want with... they have huge families, theres bound to be a crazy or twon. and some of the crazies now has the money, and just like americans with money... they have groupies that do whatever they want.

vikingshadow
08-14-2006, 05:19 AM
I was staying out of this, but I have to voice my opinion here.

It's NOT about oil. Folks, the OPEC nations run the oil business, not Iraq. We're not going to do anything to get them upset at us. If we had wanted OIL, we'd have started taking it by now. Come on, most the fighting is in the northern part of Iraq, and most of the oil is iin the southern part....

Also, I live in Oklahoma, specifically NW Oklahoma, where there is a new oil boom going on as well as a natural gas boom. According to the old oil guys, there is a LOT of oil here in Oklahoma, in Texas, in Colorado, etc. There is oil here in America - it's just that people here are so anal, we aren't allowed to go after it like we could should we want to. Why would we go to IRAQ to get oil when it's obvious people are against that, and when we can get enough oil in our own states to fulfill our needs. We have a deal set up with OPEC, and we're sticking to it.

Please, quit buying into the hype that OIL is what this war is about....

druid
08-14-2006, 06:40 AM
IF and I mean IF it's about oil (and I'm NOT saying it is), it's a tactical thing. Militarily, it makes more sense to use up another country's natural resourses before our own. That way there's a buffer period and brief time frame to make necessary changes in what need to be made domesticly. But that's not the issue here. The issue here is a group of 2nd/3rd world countries, looking to assert their names into history...and I'm all for it. VX poison gas the **** out of them until they cut the crap.

DFSniper
08-14-2006, 01:34 PM
aren't we forgetting about Saddam's third son? Ebay! that ****er is gonna take over the world one day!


on a serious note: i cant think of anyone in their right mind that enjoys this war except for the black market arms dealers that are selling the AKs and RPG-7s to the insurgents. we're in it, and it's too late to back out now. in case you forgot, the USA is still one of the world's leading super powers. if we don't end it, who will?? Red China???? i highly doubt it!

calebh
08-14-2006, 06:23 PM
we fought our revolution on our own, why cant the iraqis do the same? granted we had help from france, but we asked for it, and they made the tactically sane choice and waited until it looked like we actually stood a chance. if i was iraqi, id be one of those making assassination attempts. theres nothing more than death stopping them, and we had less atrocities than they did to justify our war, but we had as much to fear.

not to support saddams kind of dictatorship, but to be completely honest, judging by the factions in iraq that are evident now, the only thing that can hold the country together peacefully is a strong dictator. if this war was indeed absolutely necessary, instead of using a minimal number of troops like bush wanted, we shouldve simply gone in and wiped out any opposition, but we cant and shouldnt use the kind of force necessary to pacify iraq. especially now.

so if all those atrocities are enough for us to get caught up in a war without any definite end, why werent they enough for the iraqis to do it? and if it was really that bad, why are so many fighting against us? maybe they dont see saddam and a martial law under an army from thousands of miles away as all that different (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1113-05.htm)

i doubt oil was what this war is about... we're only using up more with this stupid war. surely any extra we could possibly be getting is only going back into the whole military industrial complex. and the people who are in charge of that are the ones who really are happy about a war.

i wonder how many people in our government, or our country for that matter, have actually paid attention to what our forefathers wanted... oh, sure, we all get the "this country was founded on christian principles." well check these quotes out.

From good old george washington: "It is our true policy to steer clear of entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world"

thomas jefferson: "Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none"

thats one idea we failed pretty much disgustingly on. and theres more. i wont go into anymore since thats really the only one that really fits into the topic that i know of.

"high oil prices" and "stupid liberals" are two phrases that should never ever be uttered together ever again. last i checked, it was the liberals who raised the complaint about high gas prices while oil companies make record breaking profits. it was the liberals who want to get rid of the subsidies for those same oil companies. the same subsidies that most republicans in office barely even acknowledge, let alone change. please, be careful of who you blame

im going to kind of expand the discussion a bit here with a quote i dug up from general eisenhower. this fits into the whole military-industrial complex thing i touched on

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.

(emphasis added) we must not let it endanger our liberties... and we have done exactly that with allowing the passage of the patriot act.

if you wish to call me unpatriotic because i oppose the patriot act and this war, ill quote shakespeare for you. "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet." and ill give this quote from president roosevelt: "Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official..." and this is the same president who became unpopular do to his own expansion into world politics. i may not agree with that particular move, i mean, look whats it gotten us into now, but because i disagree doesnt mean im unpatriotic. dissent is not disloyalty.

honestly, im not really sure why i felt such a need to defend my patriotism... but there it is. i spent too long writing all that to go back and worry about it now.

SoldierzHonor
09-06-2006, 04:42 AM
I see that I'm coming into this a bit late, but haven't been on the forums. I would however like to clear up a few things if I may.

Oil - If it were about the oil, Venezuela would most likely be our next candidate for attack. High gas prices will always occur during a large call-up of American forces as it costs alot of petroleum for fuel and oil for patrols, escorts, supply convoys, air flights, plastics, etc. Iraq and Afghanistan aren't the only places troops are deployed to. Do I believe the oil companies are taking advantage? Of course they are. 8 billion dollar profits and no returns can tell you that.

Iraq and foreign fighters - I seem to recall pushing alot of armor north to stem the flow of foreign fighters originating from Syria, so I do have some first hand knowledge of the country. Throughout all this, the Kurdish population was the most peaceful neighborhoods because they watched their communities and reported if conspicuous strangers were in their areas. While there were alot of Iraqi fighters, the Iraqi fighters and the foreign borne fighters clashed quite a bit as well. Many Iraqi groups didn't like the fact of foreign terrorists killing their own. The suicide squads and such are nothing more than a perverted preaching of Islam.

Democracy in the middle east - It does work if people stand behind it. Look at Egypt and so many other countries that are adopting democracy.

The News Media - This area is a touchy subject for me. I witnessed first hand the one-sidedness of the media. I also witnessed so many not-so-happy soldiers who have a problem with the news media in Iraq. I,and 3 other soldiers in my unit, had an interview with Esquire magazine's John Richardson and Human Rights Watch's Marc Garlasco. He wanted to discuss how the US military is dealing with prisoner abuse. SGT Ben Albright started because he was there for the ground war. Ben gave his discussion, the another friend of mine told the reporter and the advocate what he endured. I then gave my story. The fourth soldier hasn't been to iraq yet and he wanted to know if she knew what to do if given an unlawful order. She gave the perfect answer a soldier could give. I was proud of her since she is still a Private First Class, but knew what she needed to do in that circumstance. The second soldier was from the second rotation, and of course, I was in the third rotation of troops deployed. Marc didn't like our answers, because it took away from the story and made it look like the army was actually innocent and trying to get soldiers to do the right thing. If you pick up August 2006 issue of Esquire in a store, you'll notice that the interview says they flew to speak with 1 soldier, Ben. Why? Because, Ben saw something disturbing. We weren't included because we made the army appear to keep its soldiers in line. You want the truth? Talk to a recruiter and go over there. Don't watch shows that are after ratings and have an agenda. I had my oppurtunity to tell the media what i thought of them and John Richardson admitted that phrase, "if it bleeds...it leads" I kept my composure to being a lead article after that by not making him bleed.

The terrorists in Europe - say hello to Allah you scum.

DFSniper
09-06-2006, 11:18 AM
from what i heard from my dad and other guys, i can verify SH's story.

Recon by Fire
09-06-2006, 07:26 PM
You had a domestic terrorist right in front of you SH, and you let him go....tsk, tsk ;)


I agree, you want to know the real story? Make a pilgrimage...

calebh
09-06-2006, 07:40 PM
oil... *trying to figure out who brought oil up in the first place* it seems no one thinks this war is about oil anymore... at least not here...

democracy in the middle east? egypt and others wanted democracy. and their governments are separate from islam. they didnt have another conuntry invade them to implant it. it is their own form of democracy, their own people planning it, in their own country. off the top of my head (not saying theres isnt one...) i cant name one successful democracy that was implanted by another country. i think israel might be considered one...

scrappy
09-07-2006, 07:09 AM
off the top of my head (not saying theres isnt one...) i cant name one successful democracy that was implanted by another country. i think israel might be considered one...

Japan.

Anyway, if you're saying it's about oil, you're beating a broken drum...

Recon by Fire
09-07-2006, 07:45 PM
Add Germany to that list also.

twotoneman
09-07-2006, 08:52 PM
Ya'll are making it sound like Iraq is all hell. Well I was watching discovery channel they said they didn't get enough men to find Osama, but they quit the search cause the Alquida grew, and know there were more leaders. I have no idea if this is completly on topic only read a few posts.

albertjackson99
09-07-2006, 09:02 PM
El Salvador, Colombia...

But on another note...Why is everyone so offended to think that this war just may very well be about oil. Most of the world's accessible oil is in the middle east and it just makes sense to have stable, democratic governments deciding where that oil goes. There's nothing sinister or devious about that. This war is about a Human Rights, A Global Economy, The spread of Democracy, A bunch of Madmen Who want to Kill ALL of us...and also about Oil. It's the life-blood of nearly everyone of our daily activities and until we start developing and enforcing more strict alternative fuel sources, it will remain so. Personally, I sleep better at night knowing that this war is about Oil!

While I'm on my pedastool, I'd like to comment on all the news reports and surveys about people saying they don't think we're safer than before 9/11...Let's look at the facts.

1993 - 1st WTC bombing
1994 - ?
1995 - ?
1996 - Al-Khobar Towers Bombed
1997 - ?
1998 - US Embassies attacked by Bombers
1999 - ?
2000 - USS Cole Bombed
2001 - 9/11
2002 - ?
2003 - ?
2004 - ?
2005 - ?
2006 - ?

Doesn't seem like the terrorists are doing too much domestically since we retaliated against them...Wonder what would've happened if Clinton had done the same 13 years ago....

druid
09-08-2006, 05:05 PM
add the "liquid bomb" attempt, foiled by the Britts.

Apparently, they aren't going to be happy until we make that section of the world glow in the dark for 10 million years...which is fine by me.

luciusad2004
09-10-2006, 10:40 PM
Im no politican ( i cant stand politics, i tend to see both sides of an argument and cant pick just one or the other) Please dont flame me but why are so many people so eager to "drop the bomb"; there are still innocent people there. Yes, it might be a "quick solution" but are the millions if not billions of innocent lives lost REALLY worth it?

Also keep in mind... it wouldnt be just one bomb to take them all out... it would have to be a number of bombs, i wouldnt want to even imagine the consequences of that. Does destroying the lives of the innocent and demolishing everything they know, believe and love, honestly support the american way? Defense is one thing, but killing the innocent takes it to far. it would just be a another black scar to stain our history. It would make those who hate us, hate us more, and those who waver side with those who hate us.

Another question, would it really stop them? Its not like they are all hideing in one convienient little cave somewere. Numerous contries would have to be bombed, and i cant think of to many that would be happy with our form of pest control. One bomb on the wrong country and there would be retaliation, and then we would be in an even worse situation.

Dont get me wrong, im not trying to insult any one and i respect everyones opinions, you have every right to say what u want, i just cant see the good in this.

But then agian... i could be wrong, it worked in japan (not that its something i, as an american, am proud of) and from what ive heard it did actually prevent a larger number of casualties, that would have occured if we had continued the war via conventional means.

Recon by Fire
09-11-2006, 01:37 AM
1993 - 1st WTC bombing
1994 - ?
1995 - ?
1996 - Al-Khobar Towers Bombed
1997 - ?
1998 - US Embassies attacked by Bombers
1999 - ?
2000 - USS Cole Bombed
2001 - 9/11
2002 - ?
2003 - ?
2004 - ?
2005 - ?
2006 - ?
...


Want a comprehensive list?
http://www.army.mil/terrorism/

DFSniper
09-11-2006, 07:17 AM
Doesn't seem like the terrorists are doing too much domestically since we retaliated against them...Wonder what would've happened if Clinton had done the same 13 years ago....
he was too busy with monica...


But then agian... i could be wrong, it worked in japan (not that its something i, as an american, am proud of) and from what ive heard it did actually prevent a larger number of casualties, that would have occured if we had continued the war via conventional means.

yeah, i see your point. it ended the war within around 80 days and killed less people than would have died if the war had kept going for a few months (or something like that)


my dad called last night and i guess he was talking to my mom about how he didnt want me joining the military (i changed my mind about that two years ago year)