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druid
08-09-2006, 01:48 PM
Ion Owners can now rejoice!!!

Multiple Purchasing Options.

$129.99 MAC noid http://www.buyluckypaintball.com/servlet/Detail?no=196 (http://www.buyluckypaintball.com/servlet/Detail?no=196)
$99.99 Stock Noid http://www.buyluckypaintball.com/servlet/Detail?no=195 (http://www.buyluckypaintball.com/servlet/Detail?no=195)
$79.99 JUST BOARD http://www.buyluckypaintball.com/servlet/Detail?no=194 (http://www.buyluckypaintball.com/servlet/Detail?no=194)


Board features:
Easily adapts for stock solenoid or Lucky's mac solenoid conversion kit.
Easily adapts for use with a membrane pad.
Full spectrum on LED.
4 dip switch bank for easy programing

Mac solenoid conversion:
Easy drop in install.
Lucky's unique banjo makes this clean and easy.
1/2 the power is needed to drive this solenoid, giving you longer battery life.
Faster cycling rate gives you a higher top end. Currently this kit makes the Ion have the highest top end available

according to "spitfirejohn" on Lucy Forum, a response to Prea's comment (about the MAC being 'not a great advantage over a stock noid)

and I quote:

"The mac noid we use is a very recent creation by one of the most reputable solenoid manufacturers in the world.
It is much more durable than the SP noid, so it has a longer working life before it needs to be replaced.
It is more tolerant to dirty air. No need to clean out the noid every few months if your air supply isnt perfectly clean.
It opens faster, so the dwell can be set lower, which results in a lower cycle time, meaning better air efficiency and a higher ROF.
It uses less battery power for each shot.
It will give you less troubles when your battery is running low.
It has a higher flow than the stock solenoid.
It allows for a neater internal setup.

And, as correctly pointed out already, the barbs arent plastic."



http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5537/spitfire03iq0.jpg


http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/7826/spitfire2gs1.jpg

teh shecks!!

timmyshoota
08-09-2006, 01:52 PM
lawlz, I like how Virtue is referred to as ****** on the chart.

PBN FTW.

Only thing that sticks out to me is Training Mode. I wish everyone would impliment this. I get tired of adjusting the dwell to do "training".

Baller-59
08-09-2006, 02:11 PM
lawlz, I like how Virtue is referred to as ****** on the chart.

PBN FTW.

Only thing that sticks out to me is Training Mode. I wish everyone would impliment this. I get tired of adjusting the dwell to do "training".
virtue is also referred to as ****** at PBN. dunno why though

thechubbss12
08-09-2006, 02:11 PM
LOL thats cool the chart with all the boards comparision... it looks like the T-baord is in second place... calculating the value and everything....

druid
08-09-2006, 02:21 PM
virtue is also referred to as ****** at PBN. dunno why though

because they used fraudulent methods to sell their products by turning others away from their competitors. They were caught creating multiple usernames under the same IP address, to which they created false 'complaints' about other boards and their manufacturers. They did it on PBReview also and are banned from there as well.

They may make a decent board...but that doesn't exonerate them from being LOSERS for using deceptive business practices.

timmyshoota
08-09-2006, 02:22 PM
Yeah, they aren't referred to as "******", its just that Virtue is in the swear filter, and comes up as a link to the page on PBN explaining it. They used to advertise hardcore on PBN too...

bamf-hacker
08-09-2006, 06:01 PM
Woot for the Lucky board :)

I need one.

Baller-59
08-09-2006, 08:11 PM
because they used fraudulent methods to sell their products by turning others away from their competitors. They were caught creating multiple usernames under the same IP address, to which they created false 'complaints' about other boards and their manufacturers. They did it on PBReview also and are banned from there as well.

They may make a decent board...but that doesn't exonerate them from being LOSERS for using deceptive business practices.
good merchandise means nothing when you have shady business practices. ask the guy running Hennessey performance engineering.

claustrophobia9
08-10-2006, 07:03 PM
so wait... down grade to a noid that has smaller parts and needs cleaning more often when the gun cant even max the stock noid? which has 3 parts to replace/clean..... the mac noid in question will have more problems. they claim it wont, but because it is a 4 way noid with blocked passage for 3 way conversion (thats what it is) it will build up muck in the 4th blocked passage.

druid
08-11-2006, 04:54 AM
the mac noid in question will have more problems. they claim it wont, but because it is a 4 way noid with blocked passage for 3 way conversion (thats what it is) it will build up muck in the 4th blocked passage.

How are you 'down-grading' when the noid cycles faster than the stock noid, is higher flowing and opens/closes (dwell) faster? Oh...and uses less power?? Metal barbs are a plus over plastic on ANY noid...

...the only 'muck' it will build is what the user puts in it...oil, grease (from over greasing) and crud from CO2...which I believe gets vented at the QEV anyway...

So here's the lesson for the day....

Don't use oil because the Ion doesn't use it AT ALL
Don't overgrease your reg because, well, that's just stupid
Install a QEV so it acts like the relief valve/grease trap that it's supposed to act like
use HPA instead of CO2that's a tough one :dodgy:

claustrophobia9
08-11-2006, 11:04 AM
How are you 'down-grading' when the noid cycles faster than the stock noid, is higher flowing and opens/closes (dwell) faster? Oh...and uses less power?? Metal barbs are a plus over plastic on ANY noid...

...the only 'muck' it will build is what the user puts in it...oil, grease (from over greasing) and crud from CO2...which I believe gets vented at the QEV anyway...

So here's the lesson for the day....

Don't use oil because the Ion doesn't use it AT ALL
Don't overgrease your reg because, well, that's gust stupid
Install a QEV so it acts like the relief valve/grease trap that it's supposed to act like
use HPA instead of CO2that's a tough one :dodgy:
i talked to ydna about the possibilities of these noids in ions (46 series/36 series) about a month ago.

i only have 15 min cuz im on a break at work, but ill tell you why when i get back ~3:30

claustrophobia9
08-11-2006, 01:17 PM
heres the problem with thier noid:

its either a 3/2 (not an actual 2way), 3 way or a 4 way noid which are either: http://www.macvalves.com/PDFS/36_Series.pdf
or
http://www.macvalves.com/PDFS/46_Series.pdf
or
http://www.macvalves.com/PDFS/33_Series.pdf

for the sake of lucky's argument ill assume its the last link, the 3/2 way. essentially this becomes a 2 way by blocking/partailly venting the 3rd hole.

if they block the hole it will require more force than the mac spec sheet shows to stop airflow, making more air need to vent through the qev rather than the qev and the noid and will in turn slow down cycles. if they partially vent the noid rather than blocking it the amount of power required would be much more than the stock ion reg because it would need to be using atleast half noid power all the time, which would give significant wear and tear to the internals of the noid. the internals would need much more maintanence than normal mac noids require making the tear down more necessary. most people should know that taking apart noids like these are far more time consuming and errable than the ions 2 parts in their noid. if lucky was smart they would vent remaining from the noid air to the rear of the ion bolt to push it forward faster.

if for some reason they used the first or second noids, theres no argument... its a big mistake. 4 way noids would amplify what i said and the 36. ONLY 3way style would complicate the internals.

unless lucky is releasing a new body that directs air to the rear fin of the bolt :tdown: for the noid and :tdown: to their V3 stage 1 bolt. <- pm me if you'd really like to know about the new bolt with a bad design.

for now im saying that this "mod"/upgrade/downgrade or whatever is a bad idea. but i do think that if they release the right products their bolts and boards have the potential to be awesome.