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scrappy
07-20-2006, 11:34 AM
Anyone else find this news interesting? http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/07/20/somalia.fightering.ap/index.html

Intelligent discussion, please

claustrophobia9
07-20-2006, 01:59 PM
eh. so alot of things are escalading, i still call shens on ww3.

MatthewTheTheif
07-20-2006, 02:04 PM
well, what would make it ww3 claus?

when was ww2 officially dubbed that title?

claustrophobia9
07-20-2006, 02:10 PM
well, what would make it ww3 claus?

when was ww2 officially dubbed that title?


people havent taken sides yet.

with ww2 there were two teams where 1 was against the other and the teams were made up of lots of countries. this is multiple single country advancements at once where some people are behind them, not fighting but telling them to stop.

nk-vs-uh...earth
leb-vs-isr
usa-vs-iraq/afghan
somolia-vs-ethiopia

the conflicts are all occuring simulaneously but none are REALLY conflicting with eachother at this time to cause excessive fueds.

durrell
07-20-2006, 02:22 PM
Claus sometimes I'm at a loss for words at how you think lol. "Teams" in real life war fare..I think you've been playing too much Live..

I want to know how in the world Ethiopia can afford to even invade someone lol.

DRAGON
07-20-2006, 02:33 PM
Ethiopia & Somalia are prolly like throwing rocks and **** at each other -

NK is just a little midget trying to get some attention because he has small babalones, we still know he has small babalones -

US and Afghanistan was over in the blink of an eye. ;) -

Iraq was business that should have been taken care of last time we were full force in the mideast. Since we were there again full force why not put Adolph Hussein where he should have been for the past 16 years?

Which leaves Lebanon and Isreal. Like they have never been at war before. Isreal prolly needed to get rid of some of their old technologically antiqued war chest. Why not throw it at a country that has been a continual pain in their butts for years? Now they have a reason to spend more $$$$ on new schtuff -

Worried about WW3? USA.....China......Russia <-------any of those go head to head and you may have your dubbya dubbya tri. Until then all of the others just make small ripples soon to be stabilized and forgotten -

claustrophobia9
07-20-2006, 02:49 PM
niether china nor russia want a piece of the US and vice versa, our economies are too dependant on eachother (china and us) and russia is sorta, empty.

somalia and ethiopia arent throwing rocks... maybe rocks in halo terms. because in africa guns take priority over food.

and durrell, the last time i played live was like a month or two ago. the sad fact is that it is how the ww's start. axis vs allies, allied vs central. its the conflicting terms of governmental standpoints that cause a world war because of a breaking into teams. with more and more governments in a democratic or nuetral to the government of others non democratic (china) there are less divisions meaning less the likelyhood of governmental hate to extend from individual battles simmilar to what is occuring now.

TheRedBarron
07-20-2006, 05:35 PM
Now I can see this going down...

NK Pisses off China enough for them to take their funding for their weapons away. Midget boy is angry about this so he throws a "rock" at Japan this in turn makes us join in since we HAVE to protect Japan, but wait, someone who is pissed off at us enough to wage war just like NK? hmm so lets say that Iran jumps in on NKs side, China is scared of us as we are them, they join up with us... not only are you looking at nuclear war you are looking at world war my friends.

chances of all of this happening all together... .01% but that is how world wars start, one thing leads to another, some treaties are signed protectorants are pulled into it, it gets crazy.

what this has to do with african war? no idea, I dont think they would get involved in somthing to the scale of world war.

durrell
07-20-2006, 06:35 PM
It's only going to take one thing to set it all off, the stage is set, the timer is ticking, it's a matter of how long it will last..

MatthewTheTheif
07-20-2006, 07:39 PM
claus, no offence to you at all, but i dont see how you can say that a world war is only between two major allainces, why can it not be between a whole group of people going against eachother in an "each nation for itself" scenario.

ok, maybe the definition of a "world war" is major countries envolved in war, but really, are you going to point out lines between a world war and a worldwide war?

pretty soon i think USA is going to back japan and isreal,with china helping out against NK, iran, and lebanon. Meanwhile the african continent is rocked by civil wars untill a strong leader comes in and unites some of the smaller countries and bam, we have an african hitler

splaturout
07-20-2006, 07:51 PM
hmm so lets say that Iran jumps in on NKs side

They just had a story on Iran being involved with the missle test (at least present) Me thinks that we need to first get our people out of countries that are fighting.

We had a hard enough time moving people out of New Orleans but yet we expect the government to get them out of fighting countries.....Let see what happens.

WW III....doubt it. The amount of technology we have now will limit that ever happening. In the first 2 WW we had no choice but trench war fare and fighting with very limited weapons. Now we have the ability to pin point a terroist in a house among other homes and plant a bomb on his good for nothing, 0 virgin havin @$$. With that kind of ability do you think that most of the world got the message that we don't mess around when we find what we are looking for.

PLUS- I really don't want to pay much more for a gallon of gas!!!:rolleyes:

claustrophobia9
07-20-2006, 08:09 PM
My real point is in the fact that we have no real control over whether we die or not, since indefinately all of us will at some time. Similarly each of us has no significant control over the end of these conflicts and therefore all we can really do is sit and watch. Its amazing how I can think this way and still be labeled a "determinist". I'm always optimistic about situations like these because I know that if I'm wrong there won't be anyone to rub it in my face.

scrappy
07-20-2006, 08:31 PM
I just find it hilarious that I never knew that Ethiopia had stopped the Islamists from taking power in both 1993 AND 1996 (UN/US Pull out and Aidid's death? That's curious...). And here we go again with that same score. I think it's good that other countries are worried about that situation, as well as the other hot spots that are flaring up. The more concerned regional powers get about their spheres and intervene on behalf of allies, the less the major powers have to worry about diverting resources and attention from possible global threats like DPRK and Iran. Unfortunately, Israel is doing their thing in Lebanon right now and not focused diretly on Iran.

viperx6x9x
07-20-2006, 09:05 PM
problem is we have a foot in a few of those conflicts. We're already at war with iraq, just got through with ghanistan. Dont forget not too long ago we had troops in somalia and that turned out like a smaller scale version of iraq#2. they had weapons capabilities we never dreamed theyd have, we basically thought they had rocks and sticks, and a few bb guns or something. but no they had rpg's. Who knows if we'll get drawn into messing with somalia again. Who knows what these other countries have that we didnt know about. We got a chance of going to war with iran, which puts us in theatre with israel and lebanon. NK's new missile can theoretically reach us soil, so we gotta worry about them and thus china as well. I just hope china ends up on our side cuz they aint no joke. Russia is kinda run down and worn out and selling off military technology to keep from goin completely broke, hell their the reason most of these little countries are now nuclear players, but i still dont count russia out either. We all think france is a bunch a P(**&^S but who knows. Then Italy and Germany are some old players in the war game but so far havent seen any aggression from them. And BTW Iran is far more significant then people think, used to be allies, now not so much. They ain't small time players.


we're in a big steaming pile of (*& here. It's a big game of chess and if it all gets played wrong things could escalate fast. It already seems like a really slow buildup to what could be WW3, only on more of a deathmatch every country for himself kinda game. cuz everyhbodys picking individual fights, instead of working together and teaming up on others. if that starts happening we got problems. cuz these warring countries will start getting far more aggressive.

im probly thinking too much into this cuz im not that much of a political person but im just seeing the conflicts that already happened. and as weve seen with afghanistan, people hold grudges with us. Japan seems like an ally now, but we did drop a few things off in their back yard back in the day that killed lots of them, so who knows. problem is everybody mentioned so far, except ethiopia and somalia (so we think so far) has nukes now too.

oh well, heres to hoping their nukes are tippmans, and ours are Ego's or Shockers or something.

smakdacrak
07-20-2006, 09:20 PM
They can afford to attack another country?
But that they cant afford to support their own people.
*Shakes head*

splaturout
07-21-2006, 04:51 AM
You are thinking about it to much. Think about it this way instead. Most of Asia relies on US to buy the stuff they make. We rely on them to make stuff cheaper so our companies can have more profit and further perpetuate the pursuit of wealth. All the big players have a delicate symbiotic relationship with each other.

If someone started popping off nukes we would 1) end up killing more people than we though 2) we would destroy the only thing that supports our most basic needs EARTH!! Everyone knows this (at least those who have nukes) and if they did originally know I bet one of the big players told them.

We need to look at these little skirmishes as just warring politics and will
resolve themselves with devastating results. If the world really wants us to
step in, they can ask. Until then, let them finish what they started. We do not need to act as the Police....That is what the UN is for.

MatthewTheTheif
07-21-2006, 07:57 AM
Japan seems like an ally now, but we did drop a few things off in their back yard back in the day that killed lots of them, so who knows.


uh, im sorry, but no...

all japan has is a self defence force, there is no way they can go to war with anyone, thats why it is a protectorate of the US

and splaturout, the US is a world police, that is the responsibility of being one of the only superpowers, china and the US are the only 2 superpowers right now, and face it, china isnt gonna do **** to help anyone else

and look what the UN did to help us, jack squat. The UN is just for making policy, they really have no power

scrappy
07-21-2006, 01:04 PM
...Intelligent conversation means "please know what you're talking about"

problem is we have a foot in a few of those conflicts. We're already at war with iraq, just got through with ghanistan.
We aren't through with Afghanistan and the war against Iraq has been long over. Welre involved in fighting an insurgency made up of all kinds of people, but we are actually working WITH and HELPING the Iraqi government.

Dont forget not too long ago we had troops in somalia and that turned out like a smaller scale version of iraq#2. they had weapons capabilities we never dreamed theyd have, we basically thought they had rocks and sticks, and a few bb guns or something. but no they had rpg's. Who knows if we'll get drawn into messing with somalia again.
Yeah, I mentioned the UN/US pull-out back in 1993. No, it wasn't anything like Iraq. We knew what was going on, it wasn't a matter of the Somalians surprising us. Also, before the Battle of the Black Sea, a helicopter was shot down by an RPG and food stores were being taken from the people. Go read up on that operation and the history of it. You'll find that US policy is much different now than when Clinton was in office.

Who knows what these other countries have that we didnt know about. We got a chance of going to war with iran, which puts us in theatre with israel and lebanon.
Um...Iraq and Afghanistan are on two sides of Iran and Iraq is in between Israel and Lebanon...

NK's new missile can theoretically reach us soil, so we gotta worry about them and thus china as well. I just hope china ends up on our side cuz they aint no joke. Russia is kinda run down and worn out and selling off military technology to keep from goin completely broke, hell their the reason most of these little countries are now nuclear players, but i still dont count russia out either. We all think france is a bunch a P(**&^S but who knows. Then Italy and Germany are some old players in the war game but so far havent seen any aggression from them.
Where is any of this going?

...

oh well, heres to hoping their nukes are tippmans, and ours are Ego's or Shockers or something.
Please...stick to not politics...

durrell
07-21-2006, 01:09 PM
Please...stick to not politics...

lol pwned, scrappy you're my hero. :flowerred:

marvin-martian
07-21-2006, 01:28 PM
i <3 scrappy