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durrell
07-12-2006, 09:19 AM
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Israeli forces invade Lebanon
Israeli PM calls latest kidnappings 'act of war'
Jul. 12, 2006. 09:07 AM
ASSOCIATED PRESS


BEIRUT - Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid Wednesday, triggering an Israeli assault with warplanes, tanks and gunboats striking southern Lebanon as Israeli troops crossed the frontier to hunt for the captives.
Two Lebanese civilians were killed in Israeli air strikes on a bridge in the south, Lebanese security officials said. The pan-Arab satellite TV al-Arabiya station said that at least seven Israeli soldiers were killed in the fighting, and that several more were wounded.

The Israeli army confirmed casualties among the soldiers, but did not comment the reports of possible deaths.

Israeli troops crossed into a southwestern sector of Lebanon, across the border from where the soldiers were seized, trying to keep their captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government security officials said. Hezbollah said it destroyed an Israeli tank as it tried to cross the frontier.

Meanwhile, the Israeli military said it plans to call up several thousand reserve troops and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called the attack on Israel’s northern border “an act of war.”

Earlier, Olmert called an emergency cabinet meeting and said Lebanese guerrillas would pay a “heavy price” for Wednesday’s attacks.

“These are difficult days for the state of Israel and its citizens,” Olmert said. “There are people ... who are trying to test our resolve. They will fail and they will pay a heavy price for their actions.”

U.S. Assistant Secretary of State David Welsh, on a visit to Cairo, Egypt, said the capture of the two Israeli soldiers was “a very dangerous escalation” that “puts at risk all the effort that are being put forth by many to find a solution to the current situation.”

The capture of the two Israeli soldiers took place amid a bloody standoff between Israel and the Palestinians’ Hamas-led government after Hamas-linked fighters captured another Israeli soldier, 19-year-old Cpl. Gilad Shalit, in a cross-border raid outside the Gaza Strip on June 25.

It was not known whether Hezbollah planned Wednesday’s operation to snatch the two Israelis in co-ordination with Hamas. But one Hamas leader suggested the two groups would co-operate over their demands for a prisoner swap.

“We have proven to this enemy (Israel) that the one option is the release of Palestinian, Lebanese and Arab captives. All captives, without exception,” Osama Hamdan, Hamas’ spokesman in Lebanon, told Al-Jazeera television.

The military arm of the Shiite guerrilla group Hezbollah said in a statement that its fighters captured two Israeli soldiers “on the border with occupied Palestine, fulfilling the promise to liberate its prisoners” held by Israel. In a statement faxed to The Associated Press, the group said “the prisoners have been moved to a safe area.”

Israel’s Defence Ministry confirmed Israeli soldiers were captured, saying the Lebanese government was responsibile for their safety. The military, meanwhile, ordered residents of Israeli towns along the northern border to seek cover in underground bomb shelters.

Jubilant residents of south Beirut, a stronghold of Hezbollah, fired their guns in the air and set off firecrackers for more than an hour after the capture of the Israeli soldiers was announced.

In the main Palestinian refugee camp of Ein el-Hilweh in Sidon, southern Lebanon, Palestinians set fireworks.

Israeli aircraft struck roads, bridges and Hezbollah guerrilla positions in southern Lebanon, apparently aiming to prevent guerrillas from moving the captured soldiers deeper into the country, Lebanese security officials said.

Israeli warplanes struck two bridges over the Litani River deep in southern Lebanon, killing two civilians on the main north-south highway between the port cities of Tyre and Sidon, the officials said.

Israeli jets flew over Sidon and nearby areas and Lebanese army anti-aircraft opened fire at them, the officials said on conditions of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the media.

The new capture of the soldiers opens a second front for Israel even during its standoff with Hamas in Gaza. An Israeli offensive in Gaza since the capture of Shalit on June 25 has killed at least 60 Palestinians, including nine civilians killed when Israel dropped a quarter-tonne bomb on a house in Gaza City on Wednesday.

Hamas-linked militants have demanded the release of at least some of the estimated 9,000 prisoners held by Israel in exchange for Shalit’s freedom.

But Hamdan’s comments suggested the group may toughen its stance after Hezbollah’s grab of two more soldiers. He said there may be subsequent “coordination and an understanding” between the two groups, suggesting they might co-ordinate their demands.

Israel has carried out several prisoner swaps with Hezbollah in the past to obtain freedom for captures Israelis. These include a January 2004 swap in which an Israeli civilian and the bodies of three Israeli soldiers were exchanged for 436 Arab prisoners and the bodies of 59 Lebanese fighters. In 1985, three Israeli soldiers captured in Lebanon in 1982 were traded for 1,150 Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners.

Ace24
07-12-2006, 09:22 AM
I am to lazy to read all of that.

marvin-martian
07-12-2006, 09:29 AM
will israel ever not be in a war? geeze

bamf-hacker
07-12-2006, 09:32 AM
will israel ever not be in a war? geeze


Exactly what I was thinking. We would love to go there to see the country, but I would be afraid it would be a one way trip.

Ace24
07-12-2006, 09:35 AM
I was watching "The Price is Right" the other day and they had a trip to there. The person won, but was scared and said that they weren't sure that they wanted to go there right now. Lol..

big_daddy_d
07-12-2006, 09:56 AM
so much religious wrangling over there, it's all over ideals and an argument about who is legally entitled to be there... Blah...

Victa_Balla
07-12-2006, 10:06 AM
Go Israel. If someone kidnapped american soldiers...We'd be hell bent on getting them back too.

durrell
07-12-2006, 11:10 AM
I hope Israel pwns Lebanon, I bet they have nukes. Maybe they'll take care of Iran too. :thumbup:

big_daddy_d
07-12-2006, 11:24 AM
I don't see israel doing anything with Iran...

thechubbss12
07-12-2006, 01:06 PM
Heh IMO WW3 will be started in that part of the world.... Maybe not now but soon... cant mix "crazy" (not burning all muslums) muslums with christians and jews.... For some reason muslums just dont like otehr relgions....

Victa_Balla
07-12-2006, 02:59 PM
Heh IMO WW3 will be started in that part of the world.... Maybe not now but soon... cant mix "crazy" (not burning all muslums) muslums with christians and jews.... For some reason certain muslums just dont like other relgions....

Fixed.

Methinks that Israel will own lebanon. Israel has years and years of pent up anger on their side, they won't give up until they get what they want.

bigred76
07-12-2006, 03:08 PM
And it's "Muslims," not "muslums." ;)

I have to agree with you though, as it is right now it seems that most, if not all, of the world will be at war with some Arabic country or another. It's almost sad, really. I have an Armenian friend, really cool guy. If it wasn't for him almost getting drafted for the Iraqi army during Desert Storm, his family wouldn't be in the US. He's 20 now, so do the math yourselves to see how young they're recruiting there... It wont end until the doctrination ceases, and then after the head is chopped off. Only chopping off the head like we are now will cause the terroristic organizations we do it to to spread out and become even more extremist. I don't know where I'm going with this post, so I'm gonna stop there.

scrappy
07-12-2006, 06:06 PM
I don't see israel doing anything with Iran...
Israel doesn't take any guff when they feel threatened (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osirak)

The one thing that I absolutely love about Israel is that if you do something to them, they still like that whole "Eye for an eye..." or rather "Finger for an arm" diplomacy...

Edit: They are also really really good at finding and killing top opposition leaders

durrell
07-13-2006, 08:48 AM
>NEWS ALERT

Israel’s foreign ministry says it has information that Lebanese guerrillas are trying to transfer the captured Israeli soldiers to Iran, The Associated Press reports. CNN is working to confirm.

Did I not say Iran would get involved? This could get ugly.

marvin-martian
07-13-2006, 09:56 AM
oh *notsodragonedit*. this isnt looking good...

DexGtr
07-13-2006, 10:21 AM
.....ok kids....make sure you buy some popcorns....this will get interesting.


*goes off and readies my nucular bunker*

durrell
07-13-2006, 01:50 PM
.....ok kids....make sure you buy some popcorns....this will get interesting.


*goes off and readies my nucular bunker*

Can I stay too? :flowerred:

scrappy
07-13-2006, 03:43 PM
You prolly wouldn't like it, here's how he made it (http://www.cp-tel.net/pasqualy/hole/page1.html)

bigred76
07-13-2006, 03:54 PM
LOL, good find, Scrappy. I figure, I'm screwed either way, so why bother drawing out my death?

SoldierzHonor
07-14-2006, 06:53 AM
One thing about Israel, they don't play. A fox news reporter gave away tank positions because I guess they think they are above being shot at....well he wasnt above it. Israel has to have a hard line against any aggression since so many countries are bent on their destruction. They will never be at peace as long as extremists and militants constantly mortar, rocket, and bomb their people. These countries preach to kill the infidel. Israel doesn't preach to kill muslims in their schools. Go Israel! Its about time they took the gloves off and showed that they won't take it anymore.

As I followed this story on the news, I noticed something. They were constantly showing the same pictures of kids and adults in the hospital. Then the reporter gave away Israeli tank positions. Yet I didnt see an image of the soldiers families grieving that their children were taken prisoner by militants. I didnt see the media giving away militant positions. Chalk another up for the most biased unbiased media ever.

SniperX
07-14-2006, 04:32 PM
.....ok kids....make sure you buy some popcorns....this will get interesting.


*goes off and readies my nucular bunker*

may i stay too? i'll bring supplies of punch and pie :D

albertjackson99
07-14-2006, 11:30 PM
hard to believe that the root of this conflict stretches back over 2000 years...

The 2 sons of Abraham. The Bible, Torah and Koran all share similar stories concerning Abraham. He's actually considered the father of al three religions.

Abraham was asked by God to sacrifice what he loved most in the world, his son, and in return he was promised the holyland. The Muslims believe this son to be Ismail and the Israelites believe this son to be Isaac. Both were sons of Abraham, however they apparently had different mothers. Ismail to a "maid" and Isaac to his wife Sarah.

Abraham and Sarah believed that Sarah was unable to bear children and in an effort to make sure their bloodline continued, they schemed to have their maid bear a child with Abraham and raise it as their own. This child was Ismail. Unfortunately, a short time later Sarah found herself pregnant - this child was isaac. Here the conflict begins - Which son inherits the land beseeched to Abraham: The elder, illegitiment son or the younger legitiment son.

And here we are 2000+ years later...whudathunkit???

tater_salad
07-26-2006, 07:53 PM
Go Lebanon

tater_salad
07-26-2006, 07:54 PM
and another thing more the president needs to recognize the armenian genocide!!!!

Recon by Fire
07-26-2006, 08:07 PM
hard to believe that the root of this conflict stretches back over 2000 years...

And here we are 2000+ years later...whudathunkit???


That Abraham should kept it in his pants!

Hezbollah is reaping what they sowed. I get a chuckle that they were shocked by the Israeli response after they kidnap a few Israeli soldiers. Ah, yeah....hello!? :rolleyes:

marvin-martian
07-26-2006, 08:14 PM
whats this i hear about Israel hitting a UN building? i didnt hear much about it

scrappy
07-26-2006, 08:30 PM
They allegedly launched a precision air and artillery strike against a UN observation post. I don't really know much about it, wasn't reading the news today.

vikingshadow
07-27-2006, 06:30 AM
I think Israel's had enough of being patient for the rest of the world (get the idea, America?) and is setting out to clean house. Personally, I don't think we NEED to get involved, because man for man, Israel has the toughest army out there right now.

I think they'll finish with Lebanon and let it rest awhile, then when someone else gets a little itchy on the missile button, they'll go in and take care of that business as well. One thing's for sure, we haven't seen the end of this problem over there.

As far as the UN thing goes, they knew this was going down, Hezbollah (sp?) has been setting up camps around UN officials, as well as Red Cross areas to keep Israel from hitting them. Same as Iraq did with schools and hospitals when we first went over there. Only difference is, Israel's had enough and doesn't care about that stuff. Remember, this is a middle East thing, they don't fight like we do!

bamf-hacker
07-27-2006, 06:37 AM
I think Israel's had enough of being patient for the rest of the world (get the idea, America?) and is setting out to clean house. Personally, I don't think we NEED to get involved, because man for man, Israel has the toughest army out there right now.


QFT.....

The Israeli Army has been one not to reckon with for a very long time. Think about it... Israel is a small little country surrounded by people that don't like them... Tough is the only choice!

I have a cousin in Tel Aviv and right now he said there is nothing happening there. He does not know for how much longer it will stay that way though.

bigred76
07-27-2006, 04:35 PM
Hmmm, I wonder how long it will take our leaders to lealize that sending aid into a place that's already getting help from Hamas... Hmmm... My bet's on the second helicopter shot down, or the first tank blown up. :rolleyes:

Recon by Fire
07-28-2006, 01:59 AM
Yes, a UN checkpoint was hit by an Israeli airstrike. Isreal denies it was on purpose and of course the UN says it was. Duirng the period in which the UN troops were hit, the UN supposedly lost contact with them and asked Israel to stop their attacks. Sounds like UN trickery to cause a cease fire, IMHO. I guess the UN troops who are there didn't do a very good job of making sure Hezbollah was disarmed as they are supposed to be. There are also reports of the Indian UN troops working with Hezbollah against Israel.

I'm not a big UN fan....

albertjackson99
07-28-2006, 04:49 AM
Please don't even let me get started on the UN..I believe it is a bigger threat to the US than Islamic Terrorism...but, there are some people who swear by their aid programs...If they only knew..