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percast_kingman
01-04-2006, 07:05 AM
I´m starting at paintball and i have enter little tournamnets... and my Q. is why if a dude shoots you and he saw that was direct hit and the ref. is tellin me that i´m "dead" why they keep shooting?? One time someone shoted me in the head and a very short distance and i tell you that it relly hurts and leave me atonished, and the guy who shot me saw that i was grabbing my head in pain and he continued shooting at me... well, i think if a new player that whats to start at the sport and he/she sees that, i think it would be not a good presentation for the sport.. what do you think??

QAZ123
01-04-2006, 07:18 AM
You ran your word's together a little bit and it was kinda hard to decipher what you were saying but it sound's like you just got shot by the wrong guy who takes pride in overshooting I guess to make him feel better about himself.

Next time it happen's take it up with a ref if he doesn't help you take it up with the owner of the field.

JB.

mv540
01-04-2006, 07:35 AM
well, I think those players like the one that keep shotting at you,(you know, seein you how you was suffering, or grabbin your head with a lot of pain).....i will say they are pus%........next time, go and talk with the owner field to fix that up......if the owner do not fix that up....i will suggest change your palce to play paintballl....:p

QAZ123
01-04-2006, 07:43 AM
Welcome to the forum guy's! Kinda watch your sentences and punctuation as best you can so we can answer any of your question's without second guessing what your asking!

Welcome,
JB.

Drefish99
01-04-2006, 07:50 AM
Hello and welcome.

Lets see from my experience in tourneys and reason why I keep shooting someone when I know that they are already shot is to get them off the field faster. Sorry. Some of the people on the opposing team walk off too slow so that they can still call out people and where my team mates are at. As a Back player it is my duty to escort them off the field as quickly as I can so that they don't have time to relay that my front men have moved up. Sorry but it is true.

geeZus
01-04-2006, 07:56 AM
I shoot, and shoot, and shoot, and keep shooting until you get the heck off my field. I don't care what the ref is saying to you, you aren't out until you walk off, so until then, I'll keep shooting. The worst thing you can do is shoot someone once and then move to shoot someone else. We lost our first game at Cup because one of our guys shot out someone, then exposed his body to that guy to shoot someone else...the first guy played on and shot out half our team.

QAZ123
01-04-2006, 07:59 AM
He did say it was in a tourney didn't he. Goes back to that punctuation thing!:confused:

JB.

Drefish99
01-04-2006, 08:02 AM
Yep. If this was Rec ball it would be a different story. I don't overshoot in rec ball...


much....

QAZ123
01-04-2006, 08:05 AM
much....
:confused:

druid
01-04-2006, 08:13 AM
I´m starting at paintball and i have enter little tournamnets... and my Q. is why if a dude shoots you and he saw that was direct hit and the ref. is tellin me that i´m "dead" why they keep shooting?? One time someone shoted me in the head and a very short distance and i tell you that it relly hurts and leave me atonished, and the guy who shot me saw that i was grabbing my head in pain and he continued shooting at me... well, i think if a new player that whats to start at the sport and he/she sees that, i think it would be not a good presentation for the sport.. what do you think??

It's called 'bonusballing' and most fields regulate against it. The reasons for it could be:
1. To ensure a person has too much paint on to 'wipe'
2. To enflict pain
3. To make them feel better about their own inadequacies as a person, or baller

Remember who they are and next game, get 'em in the 'happy-sack'...then walk up to them and repeat these words....
"everytime I see you bonus ball someone like you did ME the last game, I will increase this reaction by 5 more balls."

vikingshadow
01-04-2006, 08:15 AM
Hello and welcome.

Lets see from my experience in tourneys and reason why I keep shooting someone when I know that they are already shot is to get them off the field faster. Sorry. Some of the people on the opposing team walk off too slow so that they can still call out people and where my team mates are at. As a Back player it is my duty to escort them off the field as quickly as I can so that they don't have time to relay that my front men have moved up. Sorry but it is true.

I shoot, and shoot, and shoot, and keep shooting until you get the heck off my field. I don't care what the ref is saying to you, you aren't out until you walk off, so until then, I'll keep shooting. The worst thing you can do is shoot someone once and then move to shoot someone else. We lost our first game at Cup because one of our guys shot out someone, then exposed his body to that guy to shoot someone else...the first guy played on and shot out half our team.

Yup - guilty here as well. I don't care during a tournament because when there are points up for grabs, I'll be danged if I let that guy give away positions, shield other players or play on. I don't necessarily shoot them off the field, just until a ref comes and physically calls him out. If he's taking his time though, I know somethings going on, so I "remind" him that's not the proper thing to do.

Our team has suffered a loss or two because of that very situation GeeZus mentioned. We missed the finals in one tournament because of it. It's a hard lesson to learn.

NEVER in rec play though. If I shoot a lot, it's mainly at the bunkers themselves to keep the players back in and for no other reason.

geeZus
01-04-2006, 08:39 AM
"everytime I see you bonus ball someone like you did ME the last game, I will increase this reaction by 5 more balls."
That's just gonna make me bonus ball you even more.

I bonus ball in rec or tourney. Doesn't matter to me, but I usually only play with tourney ballers.

Oh yeah, Dru, got you pods gonna send em out today.

chubb0rz
01-04-2006, 08:56 AM
Yea you can expect this in any tournament...if you play xball dont even bring it up b.c its the norm. Most xball teams/players do it to get in your head and its more for you to clean.

As far as regular tournys its just to get you off faster and also sometimes people complain about getting shot more while walking off, when they dont realize they just walked into someones lane. But overall its mental imo

percast_kingman
01-04-2006, 08:58 AM
okay, i see your point guys.Thankyou for all the help.:)
Sorry about the puntuaction.:p

QAZ123
01-04-2006, 09:02 AM
Sorry about the puntuaction.:p
It's ok sorry I didn't realize english is not your first language. JB

druid
01-04-2006, 09:17 AM
That's just gonna make me bonus ball you even more.
To which (in my case) you will be real sore, real quick...perhaps even up-chuck into your mask...I don't bonus ball (on purpose) and expect the same in return. I've had people BB me and I did exactly what I said ^^up there^^...it stopped real quick.
I bonus ball in rec or tourney. Doesn't matter to me, but I usually only play with tourney ballers.

Oh yeah, Dru, got you pods gonna send em out today. nice...thanks!

I don't advocate BB'ing at all. Like I said, I don't do it, don't do it to me. If you do, it's on...plain and simple

percast_kingman
01-04-2006, 09:18 AM
yeap, im latino:D

QAZ123
01-04-2006, 09:20 AM
I can see it in the tourney scene and I guess it's something I'm gonna have to get used to this year but I don't care for it and I don't even care to see it.

It just doesn't have a place in recball unless your having problem's with somebody wiping/playing on etc. etc. which actually is happening more and more often! I'm getting tired of reffing!

JB.

Deadnoob
01-04-2006, 09:49 AM
As I am new I can only state what I think, not what I know, but in my opinion if you are hit and the ref calls you out you are "OUT" you should not talk walk in the lane of another, tell where your opponents are etc, if you do in my opinion you are cheating, therefore you should be shot again and again untill the message is clear to leave the playing feild in a quik and quit manner. If a ref refuses to act on such a digression the the ref should be brought to the owner of the complex.

Now on the other hand, if you have a feeble minded fool who enjoys inflicting pain on others then he should be warned first, then removed for 1 round, 3rd offense banned from next event. And I think we all know who these guys are they are easy to spot.

Just my two cents :cool:

bigred76
01-04-2006, 10:32 AM
yeap, im latino:D
Ah! Bien! Su inglés es bastante bueno para uno quién habla español normalmente. ¡El buen trabajo en intentar, y continúa el buen trabajo!

Enough with the Spanish from me....:p I agree with Druid, and I only shoot until you get your butt outa my way. If you're slow getting outa my way and there is another guy on your team behind you, I'm sorry, but you're gonna get plastered.

geeZus
01-04-2006, 10:51 AM
Ah! Bien! Su inglés es bastante bueno para uno quién habla español normalmente. ¡El buen trabajo en intentar, y continúa el buen trabajo!

Congrads for using dictionary.com's translator. Everyone knows you didn't type that yourself. :p

bamf-hacker
01-04-2006, 10:56 AM
Ah! Bien! Su inglés es bastante bueno para uno quién habla español normalmente. ¡El buen trabajo en intentar, y continúa el buen trabajo!


Per Dictionary.com

Ah! Well! His English is quite good for one who Spanish speech normally. The good work in trying, and continues the good work!


:)

HacKeR

The Trooper
01-04-2006, 04:00 PM
I really don't care if I get BB, it would be my fault for moving slow plus it pumps me up for the next game (in the serise we play in the next ame is within 10-20 minutes). I do BB if you are slow on geting up or I see you point at one of my men on the way back to thedead box. I have also used these slow people for shields while I did a run through :), not my fault your in the way. Also if you are at the 50 and decide to walk through my line of fire then I feel for you.

What I do hate is people who shoot to get a 1 for 1 call. We had a team enter the snake and when he poped up I shot him in the mask, loader, and marker. Ref called him out and when he stood up he turn and shot me. I got called out as well. Next game I turned 5 markes on him on the break. Guy looked like a Florida orange.

Rec. ball I won't over shoot unless you bring an attitude and show complete disrespect for the players or refs.

bigred76
01-04-2006, 04:42 PM
Per Dictionary.com

Ah! Well! His English is quite good for one who Spanish speech normally. The good work in trying, and continues the good work!


:)

HacKeR
Not quite. I said:

"Ah! Good! Your English is quite good for one who speaks Spanish normally. Good job on trying, and continue the good work!"

And yes, I did type it myself without Translator.Com. :smirk: I took Spanish 1 for two years in a row, I better know how to say that! :D

claustrophobia9
01-04-2006, 05:07 PM
su could be either usted or el, when starting a conversation it would be a good idea to specify whom you are talking to, either about him, to us, or to him in a formal sense.

geeZus
01-04-2006, 05:54 PM
He copied it from a translator, thats why he did it that way. :dodgy:

I don't care what he said, I know what he did.

TacTownKilla
01-04-2006, 05:57 PM
I dunno if its been coverd because i didnt read all 3 pages but it might have been due to cheating, If someone on your team might have wiped in a past game or played on or something then that might be what it was for. I know i sure bonus those kids that cheat, But of course i cheat if it takes it to win in tourney ball. I also know im gonna get bonus balled for it though.

druid
01-04-2006, 07:42 PM
He copied it from a translator, thats why he did it that way. :dodgy:

I don't care what he said, I know what he did.

who really cares?? hijackers!!! back on topic.....


bbing is just unacceptable. Period. I understand about wipers and 'running interferance' but intentionally laying 20 bps into an exposed player is just wrong

geeZus
01-04-2006, 08:00 PM
I care, because I like to rag on Timmy.

And I felt the same way you did when I played woodsball. But once you get screwed over and over playing speedball, you start unloading pods on people, not just a few extra shots. Once you figure out what someone running for their life looks like, you know when to stop shooting. I don't do it to be a jerk, I do it to make sure that I win.

bamf-hacker
01-05-2006, 03:36 AM
Plus sometimes, the shooter just let a string of balls go and the last few are unstoppable. I got hit like that playing woodsball. It was not a big deal. Now if you are out and walking off the field and you get lit up that is another story.

HacKeR

Deadnoob
01-05-2006, 05:06 AM
I would think in the heat of battle certain things can happen, maybe just maybe he thought he was being hit after being called out, but could have been another reason, bottom line you light me up that way when I walk off, i wait in the parking lot and show you a light show your momma will feel.:D

druid
01-05-2006, 10:17 AM
Intentional BB'ing was the original them...not "crap, I walked into a firestorm"...that's two different things

Xecutiv3
01-05-2006, 10:36 AM
I'll remember not to play against Druid or Dre =P
Seriously, BBing is not cool, I got lit up by an autococker like 8-10 balls at 25ft on my right side, and normally a person would stop after half a sec of the opponent getting out, or if they weren't 12 year old punks, would only fire 3 rounds at most, assuming the proximity and surprise advantage

bigred76
01-05-2006, 10:39 AM
LMFAO, you think he's bad, wait till you bonus ball me.... :D

druid
01-05-2006, 10:48 AM
yeah but tim...you deserve every BB from me you get. Remember...Jess is putting me up to it :D

QAZ123
01-05-2006, 10:52 AM
Ya know I don't think I've ever been bonused balled too many times to even remember. I remember one time I flat out got lit up so bad the shirt I was wearing I just threw off and the guy that did it started apologizing like crazy! Even when scrimmaging with the tourney guy's it never happen's I dunno maybe it's cause they know I call myself out on the first break I dunno!

JB.

Recon by Fire
01-05-2006, 06:13 PM
You can overshoot me all you want as I walk across the field and bunker you in a whole new way. That's lame style for rec-ball and just ridiculous that you would have to play that way in torunament games. Time for paintball to die if that's what is required.

Getting lit up is one thing the intentional overshoot/bonus balling afterwards is another...

spyderpaintball
01-05-2006, 06:16 PM
Rec- Bonus Balling is stupid

Tourny- I shoot till your off the field and except you to do the same to me so Ehh

colonel_moo
01-07-2006, 08:32 AM
yeah, if you enter a tourney, expect to be overshot. thats just what happens. tourney ball is much more competitive, and teams don't want to take chances.

TheRedBarron
01-07-2006, 11:45 AM
Rec- Bonus Balling is stupid

Tourny- I shoot till your off the field and except you to do the same to me so Ehh

:yeahthat: In a tourny I will keep shooting until a person is off the feild or the ref is pulling them off the feild. I dont trust them to call themselves out and I dont expect them to trust me. however anyone BB'ing in rec is wrong, no matter what 'sac says.

colonel_moo
01-07-2006, 01:05 PM
well its wrong if there are newbs or less experienced players on the field, but if you have all tourney players who wipe and cheat all the time, i usually put more than one into them, even if i know they know they are hit. i dont bonus ball when they are obviously walking off though. if they are halfway to the deadbox, and couldnt possibly be trying to shoot you back/cheat, i dont see the need to shoot at them more. i also dont want to waste time shooting at a player thats already out when i can focus on someone shooting back.

*EM1-Master*
01-07-2006, 06:12 PM
...but you still want to get them off the field as quickly as possible... In tourneys, I don't stop shooting until you're RUNNING off the field... In rec, I'll put 2 or 3 on you if you're older... Only one if you're younger... I generally use cheap paint that doesn't always break when I play rec, so it's just kind of insurance... Younger kids will generally call themselves out even if it doesn't break... But yeah...

DRAGON
01-07-2006, 08:13 PM
I had a fella shooting a Tippy bonus me in a rec game. He shot me about 4 times. I'd look at him with raised hands and marker, turn around and he'd shoot me again. He did it a few times and thought it was funny. I was already a little pissed because my Revy was jacking me anyways. Was trying to fix it and how I was eliminated in the first place. Instead of walking away from him, I walked towards him as I was walking off the field. Of course I wanted to get a good look at him since everybody looks about the same on the field -

We were in the staging area and it just so happens he and his buds were very close to where I had my gear. I'm not sure if it was intentional but he was bragging kinda loud to them about this guy he was bonusing in the last game. lol.....pretty funny -

I got my Imp out for the next game. The game started and I spotted he and his Tippy buds trying to flank to the right. Me and another guy picked a few of his buds off as they were trying to flee through an opened area just along the tape. He made a bound in the same fashion and made it through to some small trees in an open field and hit the dirt, er ah, tall grass. I pelted him or that area with a 200rd hopper and 2 140's before the ref made me stop shooting him. He did not raise his hands so I kept shooting lol. The ref hollered for him to stand up and he was covered with my paint and still wasn't going to call himself out. The ref did and he walked off the field -

Back in the staging area after the game he was still cleaning up the paint from himself and his gear. I went over and apologized for shooting him so much and told him he should have raised his hands and called himself out. I did so, so he'd know who I was. He and his buds weren't laughing after that game for some reason. I on the other hand was humbly laughing inside. So much for bonus ballers. They deserve the best - ;)

bigred76
01-07-2006, 11:35 PM
LMFAO! Nice, Drago. Idiots are not compatible with paintball guns, and sometimes they need to be brutally shown that. ;)

DRAGON
01-08-2006, 12:30 AM
I do not normally bonus ball unless I'm provoked or see someone else taking advantage or intentionally overshooting another player that may not be able to stand up for themselves in such a situation. I understand people make mistakes and sometimes it just happens that a person may get a few balls extra when adrenalin is pumping. There is really no excuse for thinking it's a joke to intentionally bonus someone else IMO. I prolly shouldn't have layed into this guy as much as I did but maybe it left a bad taste in his mouth(NPI) before he might try this on someone else again. When on the field, I try to treat others as a reflection of the way they treat me -

On another note, when reffing at the World Cup in '04, I noticed most players there did very little of this bonus balling. I'd say 95% of the players there seemed to show very good sportsmanship amongst each other. There were a few babies throwing fits and such but didn't really see any overshooting at all like some in this thread portray tourneyball as being. If anything, the refs are the ones that take most of the extras in the back or wherever -

Adrian......you didn't need to delete your post lol - ;)

adrianm1188
01-08-2006, 12:53 AM
Ahhh you caught me :rolleyes2: :bow:

DRAGON
01-08-2006, 12:58 AM
Ahhh you caught me :rolleyes2: :bow:

.............again lol - :p

Sgt Wolverine
01-08-2006, 07:28 AM
I´m starting at paintball and i have enter little tournamnets... and my Q. is why if a dude shoots you and he saw that was direct hit and the ref. is tellin me that i´m "dead" why they keep shooting?? One time someone shoted me in the head and a very short distance and i tell you that it relly hurts and leave me atonished, and the guy who shot me saw that i was grabbing my head in pain and he continued shooting at me... well, i think if a new player that whats to start at the sport and he/she sees that, i think it would be not a good presentation for the sport.. what do you think??

Not once did you mention you had called yourself "out" or raised your hands, or were walking off the field. You did not say the ref told the shooter to stop shooting because you were out. Until any of these happen, your fair game. Expect to be shot.

durrell
01-08-2006, 08:08 AM
I only bonus ball those that (1) Wipe, or (2) Bonus Ball me. Normally with the guys I play with it's number one. You see a splat of paint on them, they pull behind the bunker, pop back out and keep playing and when you ask them they say "Nah man, that was from last game." So the next game I make it a point to wait for them to make their move and shoot a rope into them until they run off the field. Wipers < *

phatphil
01-08-2006, 10:30 AM
In recball it's no big deal, in tournaments and practice almost everyone bonus balls, you just have to, to guarantee a break and that they won't wipe. If you practice with teams you're gonna take 3-5 or more balls with every hit just in case.

QAZ123
01-08-2006, 11:50 AM
Yeah if you practice with team's your gonna take hit's it's inevitable!

Now one time when I played with my phantom I had a guy playing on after I had shot him. I was screaming and yelling at him to get off the field. Wasn't working so I just stopped playing got out of my bunker and was taking hit's but walked right up to him and made him get off the field. I was technically out since I took hit's but that was ok I just walked off with him and laid it on him the whole time we were walking off and in the staging area! No more problem's from him that day!

JB.

TacTownKilla
01-08-2006, 05:48 PM
lol if you ever walked up to me like that i would put 5 in your chest haha, but seriously how many times did you get shot walking up to this kid?

DRAGON
01-08-2006, 06:10 PM
lol if you ever walked up to me like that i would put 5 in your chest haha, but seriously how many times did you get shot walking up to this kid?

You can always say or worse yet, do that, but you never know who's behind the mask until you've peaved them off. Not a pretty aftermath if you've done it to Charlie Manson Dahmer lol - :evil: *Hey! where'd my trigger finger go? It was just there!!* :eek:

bamf-hacker
01-08-2006, 06:14 PM
You can always say or worse yet, do that, but you never know who's behind the mask until you've peaved them off. Not a pretty aftermath if you've done it to Charlie Manson Dahmer lol - :evil: *Hey! where'd my trigger finger go? It was just there!!* :eek:

:lolsign::lolsign::lolsign::lolsign:

Dragon that was hysterical!!!!

HacKeR

QAZ123
01-08-2006, 07:46 PM
lol if you ever walked up to me like that i would put 5 in your chest haha, but seriously how many times did you get shot walking up to this kid?
Not many really. He didn't shoot me at all cause I think he knew something was up. We were in a position where I had flanked completely to there right and literally either behind them or parallel to the back player's. One of the reason's he stayed in is cause he didn't know where it came from cause I was way ahead of the rest of my team! I think I took maybe three hit's the most as I just had to get up and move past two bunker's and I was on him! Heck the shot's might have even came from my teammate's after I think about it! The kid was probably the same height as me but was a "big ol boy" but blah whatever verbally taking them down a notch is load's of fun!

I could almost say that this is a recurring problem in recball at one of my field's but I believe those situation's are being taken care of better now!

JB.