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vikingshadow
04-06-2006, 03:17 PM
We've posted things by Ben Stein a few times on here, but I'm not sure that this one's been posted yet.

However, I like reading this guy's stuff because he says what he thinks, he's in the public's line of sight so he isn't being "P.C." and I happen to agree with him most of the time.

Here's the post, so enjoy!

Ben Stein Commentary

If they know of him at all, many folks think Ben Stein is just a quirky actor/comedian who talks in a monotone. He's also a very intelligent attorney who knows how to put ideas and words together in such a way as to sway juries and make people think clearly.

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The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary, Sunday, 12/18/05.

Herewith at this happy time of year, a few confessions from my beating heart: I have no freaking clue who Nick and Jessica are. I see them on the cover of People and Us constantly when I am buying my dog biscuits and kitty litter. I often ask the checkers at the grocery stores. They never know who Nick and Jessica are either Who are they? Will it change my life if I know who they are and why they have broken up? Why are they so important?

I don't know who Lindsay Lohan is either, and I do not care at all about Tom Cruise's wife.

Am I going to be called before a Senate committee and asked if I am a subversive? Maybe, but I just have no clue who Nick and Jessica are.

If this is what it means to be no longer young. It's not so bad.

Next confession:
I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are: Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, "Merry Christmas" to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu. If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution, and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship Nick and Jessica and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him?

I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too.

But there are a lot of us who are wondering where Nick and Jessica came from and where the America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this Happen?" (regarding Katrina)

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school the Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell.

Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.

Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.

Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.

Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.

Tell everyone if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.

Nader
04-06-2006, 03:21 PM
Well said...well said.
Amen.

xtraking
04-06-2006, 03:22 PM
i like how he quoted the interview about katrina... that is a really good point of view on it.

Dave

DRAGON
04-06-2006, 05:08 PM
Heh.....the guy in real life seems pretty mundane but I like the way he thinks. That is, if what he writes is what he thinks or not, if he's just writing what he thinks he should be writing. Was that a bit confusing? -

vikingshadow
04-07-2006, 03:44 AM
I understood you completely - now you should be scared!

I thought the same thing, but he's written a few articles like this one, so I'm hoping that's the way he thinks. Sure would be a kick in the nuts if it turned out he was just saying it for the publicity...

DRAGON
04-07-2006, 03:52 AM
Ya, kind of like a candidates views just before an election. A well thought out script lol - ;)

Baller-59
04-08-2006, 07:36 PM
I'm not a fan of any faith based religion. What scares me the most is if the Christians, Muslims, or Hindus are right.

SniperX
04-08-2006, 10:40 PM
Amen to that, it makes sense

claustrophobia9
04-09-2006, 07:04 AM
i agree with most of it, but disagree that pushing God away was the "reason" for all of these events. You cant just cast blame when events happen, whether its in the Bush adminstration, state taxes, boarder patrol, not praying in schools, etc. and then use that as a "reason" that is some how linked to God. I think that God is far more omniscient than people think, and they shouldn't one side things like that. God knows that there will be these acusitions, and their will be events that follow because of them, and thats how it should be, but in reality, a storm, a murder or a terrorist attack had no more to do with God than one of us saying hello to another at a store, tipping a waiter, etc. because if you want to believe what part of the Bible says, believe all of it, God is in all of us, and maybe this is just proof that people have a hard time seeing the little things, and all they pay attention to are the big things. but 6 billion little things adds up to something bigger than a hurricane, bigger than a loss of 3000 lives, bigger than anything that has happened to date, but people continue to cast blame, and seperate that 6billion into "sides" and weaken its numbers.

Baller-59
04-09-2006, 11:45 AM
it makes sense
so does wiping after you poop

xNinja-Dolphinx
04-09-2006, 12:09 PM
but in reality, a storm, a murder or a terrorist attack had no more to do with God than one of us saying hello to another at a store, tipping a waiter, etc. because if you want to believe what part of the Bible says, believe all of it, God is in all of us
God won't be in you and move in you if you don't let him, meaning not everyone has God in them

NB_Hacker_NB
04-09-2006, 12:17 PM
God won't be in you and move in you if you don't let him, meaning not everyone has God in them


Very well put.

claustrophobia9
04-09-2006, 06:06 PM
God won't be in you and move in you if you don't let him, meaning not everyone has God in them like i said, if you believe some of the Bible you should believe all of it, and the Bible says that God is in all people, including your enemies...

xNinja-Dolphinx
04-09-2006, 06:25 PM
like i said, if you believe some of the Bible you should believe all of it, and the Bible says that God is in all people, including your enemies...
any scripture to back that up? Im not trying to be mean if thats how it sounds, I realy do want to know

claustrophobia9
04-09-2006, 06:27 PM
any scripture to back that up? Im not trying to be mean if thats how it sounds, I realy do want to know
im not a bible freak who remebers every passage but if i happen to find it ill post it. im remebering it from one of the gospels. it may be in an earlier book of the bible though... uh if i could remeber the wording i could search for it at bible.com


ah! here she is...
mathew 5: 43-48:

43"You have heard that the law of Moses says, `Love your neighbor'[n] and hate your enemy. 44But I say, love your enemies![o] Pray for those who persecute you! 45In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and on the unjust, too. 46If you love only those who love you, what good is that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. 47If you are kind only to your friends,[p] how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that. 48But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect.


edit: my bad i was thinking love thy enemy... ill look for God in all people....
actually that still sortof applies, so i wont keep looking, since back then "enemy, reffered to anyone who has done wrong to you, aka those who "reject God" so technically that works... but it wasnt what i was looking for... the book is just soo big, and im just so lazy.

DJ Katt RMX
04-09-2006, 11:22 PM
are we arguing here, or are we to be commenting the posted information?

i have my own idea of how to comment on the american's vision on god nowadays, and it has gone to hell. but if people don't like what they hear, they will close their eyes to it and shut their ears.