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Solitare2point1
04-18-2009, 01:01 PM
Had one day out, never going to use it again.

Here's my set up:
-invert reloader 2 (get to this as well)
-jnj 14" barrel
-20oz c02 tank

Reasons:

- After like 20 feet the gun is inaccurate.
- Balls fly where they want to out of this gun, and this is with a jnj 14" barrel.
- On semi-auto the paint was chopping about every 3 balls, and i certainly wasn't going above 12bps and was using quality shop bought paint.
- The bolt literally popped out and fell out of the gun. Also, due to it's design the battery door of the reloader 2 kept opening up and the 9v battery kept coming out.
- I chrono'd the gun at it was ranging from -/+ 10-15!

I am extremely disappointed with the gun. At home shooting targets it was great, but now I'm starting to realize that even with the slightest breeze on a 65 degree day, don't even try to hit anyone accurately.

I turned the gun up to about 280fps average, I snuck up on a guy who was about 15 feet away from me. Shot 3 times but the balls dipped or went to heaven and he turned and one shotted me. This happened a few times.

Very, very pissed as this was only my second time out using it. The first was in a 1v1 and the only reason I didn't notice the issues was because I was getting up close and not spraying balls.

DFSniper
04-18-2009, 01:27 PM
all base model spyders are like that.

1) theres nothing to regulate airflow, so your shots arent going to be ball on ball...
2) a new barrel doesnt mean anything if its too big or too small for your paint, which it sounds like it was. theres no way you can blame curving paint on a crappy gun. if anything, blame it on the paint and barrel combo.
3) "quality" paint usually has a more brittle shell than the cheap stuff, so it actually has a BETTER chance of breaking during a chop. and the reloader 2 isnt exactly a quality hopper.

slim and shady
04-18-2009, 01:56 PM
to add to what DF said your never going to get any consistancy out of co2 at the best of times you really should try HPA

RSX99
04-18-2009, 02:07 PM
to add to what DF said your never going to get any consistancy out of co2 at the best of times you really should try HPA

Agreed. The aforementioned is the majority of the inaccuracy issue.

kramernator
04-18-2009, 02:47 PM
to add to what DF said your never going to get any consistancy out of co2 at the best of times you really should try HPA

well, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't hpa more consistent because it almost always has two regs?? not because of the gas itself, therefore, if you double regulated co2 (which would be kinda weird) it would be just as consistent.. right??

DFSniper
04-18-2009, 02:51 PM
well, theres that, but co2 also expands as it leaves the tank/reg. hpa doesnt.

especiialypsycho
04-18-2009, 05:06 PM
I just got back from a day balling wiht the pilot 09, went through 3 cases didnt chop a ball, pretty accurate with everything stock i had none of those issues. Maybe you got a lemon? the only issue i had was i needed a new battery.

Solitare2point1
04-19-2009, 05:57 PM
ok so i did a paint to barrel test.

I used visible impact, put it in the barrel (jnj 14" ceramic 1 piece) and it rolled straight through. So... it's too small.

I then put in the DXS field paint (the kind that says nasty on it), and no matter how hard i blew it wouldn't go all the way through.

I'm assuming this was a major part of the problem? Anyone have any suggestions on a new case of paint for the jnj barrel?

RSX99
04-19-2009, 06:24 PM
I've always had good luck with RPS Stingers or Premium. I almost never use Marbalizers...too pricey.

TheDarkShadow
04-19-2009, 06:51 PM
I then put in the DXS field paint (the kind that says nasty on it), and no matter how hard i blew it wouldn't go all the way through.


barrel breaks?

DFSniper
04-19-2009, 07:31 PM
ok so i did a paint to barrel test.

I used visible impact, put it in the barrel (jnj 14" ceramic 1 piece) and it rolled straight through. So... it's too small.

I then put in the DXS field paint (the kind that says nasty on it), and no matter how hard i blew it wouldn't go all the way through.

I'm assuming this was a major part of the problem? Anyone have any suggestions on a new case of paint for the jnj barrel?
yep, thats your problem right there.
I've always had good luck with RPS Stingers or Premium. I almost never use Marbalizers...too pricey.
marbs are $50 a case here, and theyre .689. i havent used the brands the OP mentioned, so i couldnt give an estimate bore size.

i would grab a bag of one brand next time youre at the field, see how it fits, and if its too tight or loose, get a bag of another brand.

XSiv Force
04-19-2009, 07:31 PM
If you have a pro shop near by they will bore size check it for on the spot

Solitare2point1
04-19-2009, 07:54 PM
That's just it though....

I was told that if you put a ball in a barrel and physically blow on the ball gently and it rolls through it's the right paint to barrel. If you have to blow harder then that or it won't go all the way through it is too big, too small just rolls right through.

The thing is though, that I didn't get THAT much paint chop / barrel breaks, until later on in the day, and the heat could have contributed to that.

But if these balls are indeed to big, wouldn't that mean I would have been getting a ton of barrel breaks?

The main thing that I was pissed about is I chrono'd my gun into the 280 range, and once I did that there was NO accuracy at decent distances. The balls (as I said) went where they pleased, most of the time not even close to where I shot at. Can't figure out why. Might just go get a Tippmann a-5. :\

DFSniper
04-19-2009, 08:08 PM
the paint size wont necessarily account for your chops (since your gun does have eyes) but it would cause your shots to drop off and curve after 20ft.

Griff
04-19-2009, 08:48 PM
If you keep useing CO2 you could have your local paint ball shop instal an anti siphon tube in your CO2 tank, then get a good regulator.

Solitare2point1
04-19-2009, 08:59 PM
I just don't understand how if the balls I were using were too big how they didn't break in the barrel. Or how the balls that were too small didn't roll right out during play.

Neither brand was accurate at all. I'm really confused.

bigred76
04-19-2009, 09:33 PM
You cleaned off your eyes and cleaned out the barrel after each game you chopped, right?

The Spyder is an open breech marker, and the detents hold the ball in place while waiting for the marker to be fired, and the bolt is rear-ward. An Autococker is an example of a closed breech marker, and that does require an exact match so the balls won't roll out when the marker is tilted down, as the bolt is forward.

Solitare2point1
04-20-2009, 08:18 AM
Yes I did clean the gun after every break, the eyes were functioning fine.

Now, here's something to note (I'm guessing) when I first got to the field I was shooting in the high 100's low 200's for fps. This was how I got it out of the box, I never adjusted it. So I chrono'd the gun up to 280, is it possible that the velocity is too high for the gun to perform well? Or is it just the C02 with lack of a good regulator and unproper paint to barrel?

EDIT:

I contacted JnJ performance and they gave me some paint recommendations, I'm going to my pro shop today to size some paint (hopefully they will let me) and maybe get some extra advice on the proper velocity as JnJ said that could have had something to do with it.

DFSniper
04-20-2009, 12:01 PM
oh yeah, bad paint matching will kill your velocity. that added to the fact that you had to crank up your spring tension to get a decent velocity probably caused the bolt to crush paint.

Solitare2point1
04-20-2009, 12:54 PM
yea, i shot a bag of marballizers today and they seemed to work the best in the barrel, but they were still extremely inaccurate, i do feel like i got a lemon because the bolt kick is still knocking the hopper's battery door open.

Switching to an sp-1 next week.

twiztidjuggalo
04-20-2009, 02:34 PM
ive played the game in alot of places. something you also have to consider is where you are playing at. the temperature, humidity, and other weather conditions will also affect your balls. if playing in 65 degree weather with co2, dont expect to great of consistency or accuracy as your tanks gonna get colder as you play. through expierce ive found if its around 85 out here where i play c02 isnt to bad as long as you not shooting more then a 3 shot burst. i would suggest getting a cheap n2 tank, ive seen some low as 60. and make sure you have fresh batteries, if your using c02 make sure its decently warm out, and make sure your paint to bore match is good then try again and it should go alot better. as for a better loader, depending on hoiw much you wanna spend, get a vl force or eye force, ive used both and they havent let me down at all, never had a problem with either and will keep you with the pilot no problem. hope it helps