View Full Version : I might have to rethink my position
04-17-2009, 10:32 AM
On paintball snipers that is. I've recently seen a new marker that, if the First Strike lives up to its hype (and that's still a very big if), this would legitimately be considered a paintball sniper.
Based on the bottom half of a CCM S6, with a custom top tube, it is a bolt action, single-shot marker. In the last pic, you see the paintballs loaded in cartridges (also what's orange in the first pics). This cartridge can either be removed and reloaded each shot, or you can leave it in and feed the balls one at a time. They are waiting for a case of First Strikes to arrive to test with them, as well as Delrin rounds and a few other things.
Very interesting little gun.
04-17-2009, 11:33 AM
looks decent, id like to see a vid of this in action
slim and shady
04-17-2009, 02:23 PM
I like that nice post.
04-17-2009, 07:29 PM
ok so what makes it a "sniper" rifle? all it looks like is a long barrel and a weird removable striker. plus a few extra pieces to make it look different. Just my 2 cents.
04-17-2009, 07:32 PM
That looks sick! I would never get it cause it's not my type but it does look cool.
04-18-2009, 04:59 AM
Buff, what makes it a sniper is that it is configured to shoot accurately, especially once those First Strike rounds come out. And do it in style I might add.
04-18-2009, 08:01 AM
Yet it shoots no further than any of the pistols that will be capable of shooting that round.
04-18-2009, 08:28 AM
I disagree about not outshooting a reconfigured pistol. One, typically, pistols run off of 12 gram cartridges, which are notorious for being inconsistent in pressure and be filled dirty.
Secondly, in regards to the First Strike rounds, if they work, you can't tell me that a pistol with a 5-6 inch barrel is going to be as consistently accurate as a full-size marker with a high-end barrel.
Additionally, the typical pistol sacrifices a number of things to increase shot count off the 12g and to minimize the size of the components. A full-size marker will not have those limitations.
Also, this marker has been designed around a number of projectiles, one of them being the First Strike round. I can't believe that an add-on kit to an existing product is going to make it work that much better, maybe the T9, but not a pistol.
In closing, I just want to say that I remain skeptical of a true paintball sniper, however, if one exists, I think that this marker, possibly a one of a kind creation ever, combined with the First Strike rounds, if they can be proven to work in the field, may possibly create what could be considered as close to a paintball sniper as we will see.
04-18-2009, 06:47 PM
04-18-2009, 08:07 PM
Actually quite the contrary...........if your goal is to shoot one round and not walk a bunch of rounds on to a target..............there is no need for extreme consistency. The pistols can easily chronograph on CO2 fairly consistently. The only time a major temperature change would occur would be if you were shooting alot of rounds. Otherwise pressure from CO2 is consistent. If you care to come to our field I'll prove a phantom is = on CO2 and HPA. I carry both in my phantom bag! As far as ability to shoot more rounds........that doesn't seem to be a sniper trait at all. As far as the shorter barrel...........the point of the round is the round stabilizes itself......the only purpose of the barrel would be to make sure gas didn't escape around the projectile before the proper velocity is reached.....which is only about 4".
As far as a paintball sniper..........I've always said yes the position does exist regardless of equipment. The definition of a sniper can be extremely varied. I've been in several discussions on snipers and you'll always find major differences in types of snipers. My argument is this.........as a Law Enforcement officer I am extremely good with a rifle. I even surprised the hell out of myself with a 1500 yard shot last fall at a target. Alot of people will call someone like me a marksman.............FBI calls the position a SWAT Sniper. But obviously that's a totally different type of sniper than crawling around Afganistan for weeks waiting for a shot.
My opinion is this..........anyone that wants to lay down in a Ghillie suit for hours and pass up lots of great shooting opportunities to wait for the right opportunity on a specific target can call themselves a sniper in my book! A good paintball sniper can go un-noticed without firing a round for hours. If that's your paintball style have at it. Will this revolutionize paintball. Probably not. If your OK with spending $1 per round and want to spend hours in the bush have at it. I guess the real question is when I pull out my bow and shoot the same round.....................What the hell am I?
04-23-2009, 07:34 PM
in RE: to the first strike rounds....
On all the other forums I've posted on about this round, I have not much that's good to say about it. My reasons come from the fact that I have extensive knowledge on the FN303 (we use 6 at work) and this round is not much different. I know what the unweighted, clear 303 training round does and for all intents and purposes, this thing isn't that different. I've argued that the fin cylinder on the back of the round WILL cause extensive or added damage because the construct of that fin is different than the front, that the added serrations fromn the inpact will cause additional damage to soft tissue and the fact that we encounter so many MORONS on the field that amp up their markers ON PURPOSE.......let alone those few that will spike from CO2 use.
Don't believe me? Look at this:
Can I let out the "I told you so" now or should I wait for later?
04-23-2009, 07:40 PM
Yes, that shot was posted elsewhere. Yes, that was a bad welt, however, it is nowhere near the worst that any of us have seen. Yes, the First Strike needs to prove itself in the field, both in safety and in function. However, and with all due respect, there are plenty of threads here and elsewhere discussing the First Strike. My purpose was to highlight a marker that had the potential to make full use of those rounds, if they were to prove themselves.
In further news, apparently they were testing the First Strike rounds in this marker and were hitting a 24" x 36" target at 90 yards.
slim and shady
04-23-2009, 07:46 PM
I really like the marker, not really the safty of the round, but I think they could potentialy have ways to solve this. I still would like to get my hands on it and try it out. I really think the marker could be great just have to wait and see!