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ParadoxCat
03-02-2009, 07:43 PM
I was thinking about it the other day, and It struck me.

If someone were to put a VS2 On/Off ASA onto a VS1, since the VS2/3 ASA acts as a regulator, wouldn't you be able to run the VS1 very similarly to the RS? Since the internals of a RS and a VS1 are nearly the same, the only difference between the operating parts is that the RS has the Inline Regulator & a On/Off.

It seems very possible, all it seems that you would need is a Metric to Standard Thread converter for the Air Hose to screw onto the VS2/3 ASA.

Another thing is, wouldn't it be able to run on CO2 like the RS?

I might try this out, but I just wanted some input first.

Griff
03-02-2009, 08:14 PM
The reg on the VS 2&3 dis likes co2 go with a reg adaptor and put a standard reg on it. it would end up like my mock RSX but different valve and board.http://cid-f852c14bc1db2961.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/VS%202/VS%202.jpg

ferret15
03-03-2009, 08:32 AM
you would have a lp'd VS1? don't call it a RS unless its an RS. you will have a custom VS1.

Here are your problems,
~you need to either mod your valve or buy a new valve.
~the VS2 reg is a 0-300psi which isn't high enough to get your gun to operate correctly, just use a different reg
~I would the Trinity frontblocks it will be cheaper in the long run.

and back to the CO2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk8v367Ex10&feature=channel_page

ParadoxCat
03-03-2009, 04:07 PM
you would have a lp'd VS1? don't call it a RS unless its an RS. you will have a custom VS1.

Here are your problems,
~you need to either mod your valve or buy a new valve.
~the VS2 reg is a 0-300psi which isn't high enough to get your gun to operate correctly, just use a different reg
~I would the Trinity frontblocks it will be cheaper in the long run.

and back to the CO2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk8v367Ex10&feature=channel_page

What I don't get is that the RS can run on 300PSI with all the same internals as the VS1, with the only differences being that the RS has a Inline Regulator and a On/Off.

Anyways, it was just an idea I had.

ferret15
03-03-2009, 06:28 PM
What I don't get is that the RS can run on 300PSI with all the same internals as the VS1, with the only differences being that the RS has a Inline Regulator and a On/Off.

Anyways, it was just an idea I had.

:facepalm: thats because the RS has a different valve, I figured you hadn't done your research but since your interested

If you didn't notice the RS is styled after the VS2, the valve which allows it to operate at 300psi is the SE vavle. The SE valve is a higher flowing valve most similar to the NDZ and magna-port valve. Where as your

Here is the "SE" valve from a pilot/electra
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg81/thefightingferret15/100_06721.jpghttp://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg81/thefightingferret15/100_06761.jpghttp://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg81/thefightingferret15/tempr.jpg

for comparison AKA, Stock and NDZ valves. you are using a stock vavle
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg81/thefightingferret15/001-10.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg81/thefightingferret15/003-8.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg81/thefightingferret15/005-5.jpg
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To help you build this gun you are attempting to build i will tell you the differences and similarities.

Similarities
-the white delrin bolt with 1 o-ring
-slim striker
-feedneck has ion threads
-grips but logo is different color
-steel braided hose
-board functions (semi auto, 3 burst, and a tourney lock)


Differences
VS1 body/ RS/VS2 body(the only difference is color and the name)
Composite trigger frame with out a rail/ Aluminum cast Trigger frame with built in rail.
Standard HP valve/ New SE Low pressure/Higher flow valve
Front block with screws to hold foregrip on/ Front block with threads to hold reg on
Foregrip (no reg)/ Inline reg in shape of forgrip
ASA held by screws in the inline pattern/ on/off ASA held from built in rail
straight feedneck(required elbow)/ Twist lock feedneck
double "hump" trigger 2 adjustment screw/ S curve style trigger with 3 adjustment screws
board capped at 20bps/ board capped at 25bps
vs1 eyecovers/ vs2/3/RS/RSX eyecovers
1 piece barrel/ two piece barrel

ok I think i covered it most of it. If you have any comments, call me out on something, or questions just say something.

ParadoxCat
03-03-2009, 07:16 PM
thats because the RS has a different valve, I figured you hadn't done your research but since your interested

I'd beg to differ.

I'd like to refer you to the RS Manual, the valve part #s are:
ITP013 Valve Pin
ITP014 Valve Body
Which is the same parts listed on the VS1.

The SE Valve + Pin # are:
ITP017 Valve Pin (slim)
ITP018 Valve Body (blind hole)

Essentially, the inner guts of a VS1 are near identical to the RS, again I mention, the only difference in parts are the Inline Regulator, and the On/Off.

I'm not here to state the visual differences of the gun, but the operating differences.

I am just wondering what the possibilities are of a VS1 being converted to a marker that could run very much like how a RS would run.

BTW - The RS is capped at 20 BPS.

ferret15
03-03-2009, 07:36 PM
well i would like pics of your VS1 internal. i have owned a vs1 and it definable wasn't capable of LP performance with out modification and i've got confirmation from people who own the RS that the internals are different despite what the manual says.
1 example http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2629997

my guess is that your vs1 pin and body is the same as the "stock" labeled in my picture.

The RS valve is not that.

ParadoxCat
03-03-2009, 09:35 PM
O.K., then now back to my original question.

If I were to change the Valve + Valve Pin, and Use a VS2 ASA, would I be able to pull off a marker that operates similarly to a VS2 or a RS?

ferret15
03-04-2009, 06:09 AM
sure, but the VS2 uses a balance valve and the RS uses the "SE" vavle.

you could just buy any aftermarket valve.

Your looking at the question wrong thought, all you need to do is get your gun to LP performance. click the link in my sig to help you out with that.