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Drefish99
11-04-2008, 08:49 PM
As I told my kids this evening. No matter who wins the presidency. We have to honor that position and back whomever holds that position to the best of our ability. As an American. Even if I don't see politically with him. I say congratulations President Obama. Your win was not only historic but an inspiration.

DFSniper
11-04-2008, 08:51 PM
the next 4 years should be interesting, to say the least...

jim762
11-04-2008, 09:02 PM
so much for my pay raises......

VS3 Sniper
11-04-2008, 09:15 PM
Welcome to the USSA.

jim762
11-04-2008, 09:18 PM
All I know is that the Democraps have no excuses for not getting things done....they have the white house, The house and the Senate. If things don't change your not going to see a democrat in office for a long time.

Ace24
11-04-2008, 09:28 PM
All I know is that the Democraps have no excuses for not getting things done....they have the white house, The house and the Senate. If things don't change your not going to see a democrat in office for a long time.

Maybe since Obama is a Dem. and there is Dem. in congress, they'll brown nose him and he'll actually be able to change things?

There is a Democrat in right now? Right? Or was I watching some other election?

Either way, the next few months will start to show if the US made the right decision. Wonder what his first "change" will be? I honestly doubt any change will be made. Even if McCain made it in, I doubt there would be much difference.

jim762
11-04-2008, 09:48 PM
Thats what im saying, if nothing changes the Democraps can't blame everyone else. Right now it's the Republicans fault. Something needs to be done. Can't wait to see if Obama passes his first big test. Someone is going to see how far they can push him, and I think its going to be Iran. whether its a direct threat against us at home, the troops in Iraq or Isreal, some one is going to do something. Joe Biden said it himself, and I agree.

VS3 Sniper
11-04-2008, 09:54 PM
Jesse Jackson already said things would change when Obama got into office....first thing would be the US would stop catering to Isreal. So Obama isnt gonna be stickin up for them.

jim762
11-04-2008, 09:57 PM
Well then all hell is going to break loss in the Middle east. we were the only thing stopping Israel from nuking Iraq during the first Gulf War in 89, when Iraq was shooting scud missiles all over them.

DFSniper
11-04-2008, 09:58 PM
lol, thats not what he said when asked why he was at an anti-israeli get-together. supposedly he "supports israel" and was there to "create a balance" against all the palestinian terrorists that hosted it (yet bill ayers was there too...)

Drefish99
11-04-2008, 10:06 PM
Maybe since Obama is a Dem. and there is Dem. in congress, they'll brown nose him and he'll actually be able to change things?


I don't think it works this way. I think whatever Nancy and Harry want. Barry will do and sign into law. He just wanted the job. Now that he has it he will unfortunately will be their puppet for their agendas.

independence from foreign oil??
new sources for energy??
middle class tax cuts??

We'll see what was just rhetoric and what he is truly made of. Like I said. I didn't see it while he was a state senator so it is tough to believe him. My fear is all the stuff going on here in Chicago will soon be in the White House and its a lot of mess.

Ace24
11-04-2008, 10:47 PM
I know, I was sarcastically speculating. Hahaha.

Maybe with this pressure, he'll finally step up to the plate?

bigred76
11-04-2008, 10:57 PM
I just was reading about his birth certificate verification... interesting stuff... :dodgy:

Dre, I'm sorry, but I do not respect this President. He's a fool, a liar, and an asshat.

vikingshadow
11-05-2008, 04:55 AM
I'm pretty upset about this. At the least I see another Bill Clinton who does NOTHING and gets to ride the wave of some kind of success (success in Iraq, the markets coming back up, etc. Basically everything that was set in motion a few months ago)and taking all the credit so he furthers his "savior" complex...at the most, I see the end of a totally free America.

As a Christion, I'm torn. A lot of people are saying the dreaded "anti-christ", but I don't know if I totally buy into that - BUT, the anti-christ IS supposed to be charismatic, young, beloved by the world, promises "change" and of middle east descent. Oh, and he supposedly is supposed to take position gently. Hmmmmmm...............could just be a conspiracy theory though. I'll reserve judgement.

The ONLY thing that I liked about him was that he said he'd revamp NCLB. We'll see. I'll tell you right now, if it's not fixed, there not only will be NO teachers with experience left in 10 years, but maybe no teachers without experience as well...it's that bad right now.

The media is STILL making this about race. Guess who ALL the interviews are from this morning? Yup, all black people who just know the savior has come. Oh, and the one odd, very young, white person...

Guys, he is our president no matter what I or anyone thinks. We do have to respect the position, but not the person. I really hope that God isn't allowing this to happen to make us stop and think and change our ways. If so, it's going to be a LONG 8+ years (yes, I said "+". If what I think is going to happen, well...)

Unfortunately, my mother in law is such a stauch democrat - we've NEVER seen eye to eye on this. She was a BIG TIME Bill Clinton supporter, but she's even more of a supporter of BO. It makes it really tough around holidays.

DFSniper
11-05-2008, 05:01 AM
i think i'll let it go right now and see how he does, but if he ****s up once...


as to the democratic majority, the one quote that comes to mind is this:
"...That whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it." - from the Declaration of Independence

shunut
11-05-2008, 05:21 AM
He's a fool, a liar, and an asshat.

This could be said about 99% of politicians.

deano 177
11-05-2008, 07:54 AM
The way you guys feel about dems is the way a lot of dems feel about repubs.

I'm a dem. I'm a christian. I'm union. I own fire arms. I think abortion is not a path that is correct for me but I'm for a adult womans right to choose.

I think the goverment shouldn't have to "protect and uphold" the morles of america. That should be the job of parents.

I typically vote my pocket. My pocket tells me to side with the dems.

Hoppy11
11-05-2008, 08:00 AM
Like everyone is saying, he has alot on his plate and I can't actually wait to see what this "CHANGE" is. I have my own theory... Bamf knows what it is, not appropriate for this forum but it was funny lol.

Congrats to him.. and I hope he does this country good... if not well I guess its not the Republicans fault. He has a major opportunity to prove himself, his party, and his followers. Best of luck to him.

durrell
11-05-2008, 08:20 AM
I don't back him as president and I won't as long as continues to lie. He based his whole platform on lies and he won the election on lies. I could care less if he's black, Hispanic, Chinese, or whatever. If his views aligned with mine, he would have gotten the vote. It was his party that made this a racist election and it will be his party that will continue to allow racism to thrive.

I am utterly disgusted.

When this country goes to Hell, I'm not going with it.

calebh
11-05-2008, 08:58 AM
i wonder if the refusal of much of america to get behind obama will be worse than obama himself. 8 years of an unpopular president is enough for me. it's time for america to come together to heal and move forward. as long as there are those on the right who feel the same way many on the left did about bush, i don't see this country going very far...

(fyi, i didn't vote for obama)

druid
11-05-2008, 09:11 AM
As I told my kids this evening. No matter who wins the presidency. We have to honor that position and back whomever holds that position to the best of our ability. As an American. Even if I don't see politically with him. I say congratulations President Obama. Your win was not only historic but an inspiration.

I don't have to back ****. I honor the Office but he is undeserving my attention. He's a socialist pig and we are all screwed. Mark my words.

VS3 Sniper
11-05-2008, 09:37 AM
^ I agree with druid, and honestly I think hes the Anti-Christ.

I also find it funny that Obama couldn't get a job at the FBI or be a presidential body guard because of hes connections to Ayers, but he can run for presidential office and win :foreheadslap: ?

ferret15
11-05-2008, 10:15 AM
viking,
if he is the anti-christ
then there are only 4 years left.
sorry to break that news to you.

but i say **** it. if he really is what a wonderful time we live in to be there at the end of times! its a bit exciting. to be truely there at the end of ... whatever its the end of! we are a part of history or the end of history it self. possible the myths of our past. we will be a part of what could be considered an Atlantis of our own time!

edit;
i voted against. and i find it odd that my stoner friend is slowly becoming more correct about is information.

marvin-martian
11-05-2008, 10:24 AM
if he really is what a wonderful time we live in to be there at the end of times! its a bit exciting. to be truely there at the end of ... whatever its the end of! we are a part of history or the end of history it self. possible the myths of our past. we will be a part of what could be considered an Atlantis of our own time!

hooray! the end of the world! sure will be fun!
shut up.

Obama, along with the House and Senate will destroy America. Im sure of it. There is nobody there to stop them going wild. Lets see how well their socialistic, utopian, rose colored dreams hold up in the real world.

bamf-hacker
11-05-2008, 10:46 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/lobotomysurvivor/obama-combo.jpg

ferret15
11-05-2008, 11:02 AM
no i'm saying if viking is correct. then the end of times is here.

or

we just ****ed up our country by hiring probably the worst choice on the application because he looks like he can do the job. unfortunately thats how it goes. its not what you do its who you know.

edit: please tell me your being slightly sarcastic and forgot a dodgy about the utopia..
:smacksforhead:we're so ****ing screwed.

durrell
11-05-2008, 11:04 AM
hooray! the end of the world! sure will be fun!
shut up.

Obama, along with the House and Senate will destroy America. Im sure of it. There is nobody there to stop them going wild. Lets see how well their socialistic, utopian, rose colored dreams hold up in the real world.

Yep.

codymm1014
11-05-2008, 12:51 PM
excuse me if Im incorrect, I dont know that much, but didn't the republicans get enough seats in the senate to stop the democrats from having a super majority? Therefore, the democrats can not pass ANYTHING they want?

calebh
11-05-2008, 01:28 PM
holy ****, the democrats are coming, the democrats are coming! grab your guns and bibles! hide your money and your children! let's show these guys what america is really made of!

:dodgy:

just saying yall are going a little overboard with the whole "the world is ending" thing...

bigred76
11-05-2008, 01:40 PM
Uh, no we're not. We're pretty much ****ed.

VS3 Sniper
11-05-2008, 01:56 PM
^ I gotta sig that tim.

SpyderMan723
11-05-2008, 02:35 PM
obama is my idol !

:doineeda:dodgy:?:

SupaSnipa
11-05-2008, 02:35 PM
Yes, I am only 16, however I have listened to every speech, I do know what is going on in this country and would not have voted for Obama. I'm going to keep it there because I do not want to get torn apart by you voters.

I say Ralph Nader for president

xsvly-fat
11-05-2008, 02:50 PM
I don't have to back ****. I honor the Office but he is undeserving my attention. He's a socialist pig and we are all screwed. Mark my words.

^ I agree with druid, and honestly I think hes the Anti-Christ.

I also find it funny that Obama couldn't get a job at the FBI or be a presidential body guard because of hes connections to Ayers, but he can run for presidential office and win :foreheadslap: ?

I agree with both of you, I think America is headed for trouble. I didn't realize that he couldn't become a presidential body guard, and I really can believe he can't do that but he can BE the president
Uh, no we're not. We're pretty much ****ed.

Mmhmm, couldn't have said it better.

calebh
11-05-2008, 02:59 PM
I say Ralph Nader for president
if only you could vote...

i'm having an extremely difficult time finding any info at all on the poll numbers for anybody not republican or democrat. it's pissing me off. i'm worried about where this nation is headed, not because of who got elected, but because of the clear power of the media over public perception. (perhaps why obama got elected?)

DFSniper
11-05-2008, 03:21 PM
I don't back him as president and I won't as long as continues to lie. He based his whole platform on lies and he won the election on lies. I could care less if he's black, Hispanic, Chinese, or whatever. If his views aligned with mine, he would have gotten the vote. It was his party that made this a racist election and it will be his party that will continue to allow racism to thrive.

I am utterly disgusted.

When this country goes to Hell, I'm not going with it.
QFT <3. if he had come across clean, i wouldnt have a problem with it. i even agree with SOME of his views, but the fact that his whole campaign was a bunch of lies ruined it for me. but that doesnt mean i won't enjoy my Obama-money, unless that whole tax promise was a lie too...
I don't have to back ****. I honor the Office but he is undeserving my attention. He's a socialist pig and we are all screwed. Mark my words.
thank you. he may be the leader of our nation, but that doesnt mean we have to listen to him. last time i checked, the only people that HAVE TO respect him is the military, because he's now technically a senior officer and leader. im going to withhold further judgment until he actually does (or fails to do) something during his term.

jim762
11-05-2008, 03:44 PM
if only you could vote...

i'm having an extremely difficult time finding any info at all on the poll numbers for anybody not republican or democrat. it's pissing me off. i'm worried about where this nation is headed, not because of who got elected, but because of the clear power of the media over public perception. (perhaps why obama got elected?)

You have to realize that the majority of the people in the US are sheep. They are waiting to be told what to do. The whole Democratic party platform tells you that. Remember Hillary's "it takes a village"? They want some one to take care of them and some one to blame. It doesn't matter whether or not its right, just that they don't have to think about it. Think about it, people no longer have to take responsibility for their own actions. Its the cigarette manufactures fault they got cancer, its the gun manufacturers fault some one was shot. The media will run the stories that get them circulation. No one wants to read that a person said something was their own fault. They want gossip and hearsay. Anyway, thats just my opinion, love it or hate it, its mine and its my right to express it.


Sniper, While it is true that the military has to respect the position of the people appointed over them, there is nothing that says you have to respect the person. You have to follow their orders and can't make derogatory statements about them, but you don't have to respect them. I met plenty of Officers i had no respect for, but followed their orders.

vikingshadow
11-05-2008, 06:06 PM
I'm interested to see how this plays out, now that we're in it neck deep. The "truth squads", the "Civilian Defense Network", the nationwide healthcare, the social programs allowing people to not work, the "it might not happen in one term, but over many" speech last night (could this be the end of the two term president as we know it?) - it's sounding so familiar. You know, like this has been done before. (Check your history, and I mean further back that just WWII...though the business in WWII followed the same pattern.)

All I'm going to say is all you guys with registered firearms might want to be careful - sometimes radical leaders spewing "change" like to "take care" of those that might cause tension...I'm not talking about him taking away your weapons - I'm just saying.

While I'm not so bold as to say it's the end of the world (that's saying that America is the end all, be all to the world or that we're the glue that's held this world together and that's just blind ignorance - I'd rather just say it's the end of America as we've known it to this point. Now, whether that's good or bad, only time will tell. I certainly hope it's for the better, but at the moment, I don't know.)

Yes, I still say that the anti-christ/Obama stuff is still compelling and if it IS true, then I'm saying it's all predetermined and we pretty much screwed the pooch. But, I also don't want to come across as a religious zealot looking fo the end of times, either.

Oh, I also don't think that Americans are sheep. Several are, for sure, but I think that's just a widespread generalization I think for the most part, they're ignorant (not stupid - ignorant. There's a difference) and misguided. The media and entertainment outlets are largely to blame for that. What does it tell you when CELEBRITIES are a power in the politics of a country?

There's no way that anyone will tell me that Spike Lee or Matt Damon (for example) are better men than me because they've been in a couple of movies and directed a few more. Yet they focused more on him last night and this morning on the news, along with the other celebrities. Um, who cares? I find it ridiculous they make 500 times my salary and all they do is repeat words that someone else wrote for them.

Understand, this was NOT a democrat/republican thing for me. This was a moral/doing the right thing/doing the best thing for me and my family thing - and this year was the hardest thing I ever had to do. I literally did not know who I was voting for until I stepped into the booth. Then I found out we didn't have a place to write in a vote - that sucked, though I still didn't know who I would vote for.

Speech over - I had a long, very hard day (my back is killing me - I think it's stress from work this year). At one time, I actually thought of running for an office - not so sure it's a great thing anymore.

DFSniper
11-05-2008, 06:17 PM
mentioning the write-in ballot made me think of something, vike. if you wrote "Otter," they'd probably think you were illiterate and meant "other"

codymm1014
11-05-2008, 06:21 PM
excuse me if Im incorrect, I dont know that much, but didn't the republicans get enough seats in the senate to stop the democrats from having a super majority? Therefore, the democrats can not pass ANYTHING they want?

Sorry, but could someone tell me if this is correct?

DFSniper
11-05-2008, 06:32 PM
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/11/democrats-will-rule-the-senate-1.html

google-fu.

timmyshoota
11-05-2008, 06:53 PM
The opinions of some of the people on this forum amaze me.

TheDarkShadow
11-05-2008, 06:54 PM
as a Catholic, voting for Obama is practically sac-religious. I vote MUTANY!

Critical
11-05-2008, 07:12 PM
I'm hoping the mods come back to their senses and lock all further election/political discussions.

We've had our election, the people have decided. Whether you agree with the mans policies or not, it's time to move on and find out how we are going to make our way through this new world that we are entering. Opening this wound again and again will only serve to tear friendships apart and cause bad blood among those here, much like what happened in 2000, but from the opposite direction. There are many here who I would consider friends, and others who I don't know as well, but who I respect. I refuse to allow the election to destroy that.

durrell
11-05-2008, 07:53 PM
I don't see any reason to close this unless personal attacks ensue. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

xsvly-fat
11-05-2008, 08:01 PM
Yes we do live in a free country, we all know that this isn't the thoughts or opinions of Spyder and I think it would be wrong for the mods to close this thread down unless it got out of hand.

Just my 2 cents.

timmyshoota
11-05-2008, 08:10 PM
I don't see any reason to close this unless personal attacks ensue. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Even if they are as dumb as some of the people's in here? Do you promise to close this thread if I make a personal attack?

HelpDeskHustler
11-05-2008, 08:11 PM
This could be said about 99% of mankind.

Fixed

calebh
11-05-2008, 08:14 PM
I'm interested to see how this plays out, now that we're in it neck deep. The "truth squads", the "Civilian Defense Network", the nationwide healthcare, the social programs allowing people to not work, the "it might not happen in one term, but over many" speech last night (could this be the end of the two term president as we know it?) - it's sounding so familiar. You know, like this has been done before. (Check your history, and I mean further back that just WWII...though the business in WWII followed the same pattern.)i think obama meant that it will take many years and cooperation with many leaders and the american people to produce real social change. though bush did quietly create a framework to keep a president in power through some kind of national crisis, i doubt any president will ever actually take advantage of it. revolution would ensue.

All I'm going to say is all you guys with registered firearms might want to be careful - sometimes radical leaders spewing "change" like to "take care" of those that might cause tension...I'm not talking about him taking away your weapons - I'm just saying.i'm less worried about the democrats keeping an eye on people than the neocons... we're so close to being a surveillance state it's not even funny.

Understand, this was NOT a democrat/republican thing for me. This was a moral/doing the right thing/doing the best thing for me and my family thing - and this year was the hardest thing I ever had to do. I literally did not know who I was voting for until I stepped into the booth. Then I found out we didn't have a place to write in a vote - that sucked, though I still didn't know who I would vote for.nader's filed a lawsuit to force oklahoma to allow write-in votes. just fyi

durrell
11-05-2008, 08:28 PM
Even if they are as dumb as some of the people's in here? Do you promise to close this thread if I make a personal attack?

No, but I promise to temp you if you make a personal attack. :)

timmyshoota
11-05-2008, 08:29 PM
You are absolutely no fun Doc.

Drefish99
11-05-2008, 08:43 PM
This thread was to bridge the divide that is usually present during a presidential election. I guess just like the Alaskan bridge to nowhere this will have to take some time. I'm going to give him a chance. If it gets worse or no change. He will be done in 4 years. Although my theory will be anything bad that happens will be more of just leftovers from Bush. Anything positive like if the market does better he will take credit. So we have to see how this turns out.

timmyshoota
11-05-2008, 09:00 PM
Although my theory will be anything bad that happens will be more of just leftovers from Bush. Anything positive like if the market does better he will take credit. So we have to see how this turns out.

Kinda like how Bush came into an economy that was getting ready to fall, but everyone blames it on him?

DFSniper
11-05-2008, 09:03 PM
exactly. and clinton before him. i know you've take econ classes, so you know all about how the business cycle works. whatever president gets stuck with the down stroke takes the blame and the one thats there for the upstroke takes the credit.

durrell
11-05-2008, 09:16 PM
Kinda like how Bush came into an economy that was getting ready to fall, but everyone blames it on him?

Wow, I am extremely shocked to see you say that.

Although it's true. :)

timmyshoota
11-05-2008, 09:21 PM
I'm not a Bush hater. I'm not a supporter, but I'm not gonna blame things on him he didn't do. I don't support Obama, but I'm glad to see Palin has no chance at running this country.

I'm also a gun owner, but I support Obama in wanting stricter gun legislature. I'd like to think I'm as independent as you can be. Infact, I did some games where they gave you a quote from McCain and from Obama on the same topic, and you picked the one you agreed with. I always ended up 6-5 or something similar each time I did one. I agreed with things both candidates said, but not enough with either to vote for either one.

druid
11-06-2008, 12:38 AM
holy ****, the democrats are coming, the democrats are coming! grab your guns and bibles! hide your money and your children! let's show these guys what america is really made of!

:dodgy:

just saying yall are going a little overboard with the whole "the world is ending" thing...

hrm...didn't barrack HUSSEIN Obama say that to piss off the Pennsylvanians?

As to the rest...the downfall had begun a long time ago. Obama's just here to help it along

if only you could vote...

i'm having an extremely difficult time finding any info at all on the poll numbers for anybody not republican or democrat. it's pissing me off. i'm worried about where this nation is headed, not because of who got elected, but because of the clear power of the media over public perception. (perhaps why obama got elected?)

The you should listen to the O'Reilly factor more often

QFT <3. if he had come across clean, i wouldnt have a problem with it. i even agree with SOME of his views, but the fact that his whole campaign was a bunch of lies ruined it for me. but that doesnt mean i won't enjoy my Obama-money, unless that whole tax promise was a lie too...

thank you. he may be the leader of our nation, but that doesnt mean we have to listen to him. last time i checked, the only people that HAVE TO respect him is the military, because he's now technically a senior officer and leader. im going to withhold further judgment until he actually does (or fails to do) something during his term.

The tax promise IS a lie because as McCain said it...you aren't made aware of the OTHER taxes he's implementing on the middle class.

He's not a senior officer and CERTAINLY not a leader. I personally think the Commander in Chief SHOULD have prior military experience...not experience at writing novels while in college.

I'm hoping the mods come back to their senses and lock all further election/political discussions.

We've had our election, the people have decided. Whether you agree with the mans policies or not, it's time to move on and find out how we are going to make our way through this new world that we are entering. Opening this wound again and again will only serve to tear friendships apart and cause bad blood among those here, much like what happened in 2000, but from the opposite direction. There are many here who I would consider friends, and others who I don't know as well, but who I respect. I refuse to allow the election to destroy that.

People have been arguing their points for more than a millennium. If people are so shallow at to have this type of discussion ruin a friendship...they weren't that much a friend to begin with.

I'm not a Bush hater. I'm not a supporter, but I'm not gonna blame things on him he didn't do. I don't support Obama, but I'm glad to see Palin has no chance at running this country.

I'm also a gun owner, but I support Obama in wanting stricter gun legislature. I'd like to think I'm as independent as you can be. Infact, I did some games where they gave you a quote from McCain and from Obama on the same topic, and you picked the one you agreed with. I always ended up 6-5 or something similar each time I did one. I agreed with things both candidates said, but not enough with either to vote for either one.

We don't need stricter gun legislation...we need stricter punishment for crimes. There's no fear in committing a crime and thus, is conducted on a X-crimes per second basis. You as a gun owner should recognize that fact and certainly before anyone else that DOESN'T own them.

shunut
11-06-2008, 05:56 AM
Wow, the guy hasn't even taken the office and we are already foreseeing the end of the world. I'm not saying I like Obama, personally I think neither McCain or Obama were good choices for President, but the people who would be good, are too smart to run.

I'm not sure if anybody else has ever heard this saying but I have heard it, If you believe something bad is going to happen, it will. Something like that. I knew a girl who had CF, same as me. At the time life expectancy was 16 years old for CF patients, and she deweled on this a lot because she was closing in on 16. She kept saying she knew when she turned 16 she was going to die, despite the fact that she was doing very well for a CF patient. Within a month after she turned 16 she died. I'm not saying we all need to love Obama, or support him or anything like that, but lets try not to be so pessimistic. None of us can foresee the future and none of us know for sure whether he is going to be a good President or not. So lets try to relax a little bit.

calebh
11-06-2008, 06:37 AM
hrm...didn't barrack HUSSEIN Obama say that to piss off the Pennsylvanians?
actually he did, didn't he? lol must be some truth to it...

vikingshadow
11-06-2008, 08:56 AM
Look, I'm not trying to forsee the future, nor am I predicting an end of the world within 4 years. I'm just saying that we ARE going to see change. Now, whether that change is good or bad, only time will tell. I didn't like McCain, and I certainly didn't like Obama.

However, the president has been elected so we'll see where that goes. I certainly don't think what I've said in this thread is dumb, maybe a bit weird - but to me it's interesting. (By neck-deep, I meant we're here, so now we'll see.) I'm also not trying to incite an "Anti-Obama" mentality.

I would like to explain the anti-christ thing I brought up as legitimate because MANY millions of people are very into that thing, and they are looking at it very closely. This WILL affect the way things are going in this country, and that I'm not even joking about. My dad has been going off about the "end days" for at least 10 years now (no, not because of Bush, either - nor Clinton). Just because the signs are there - that's their belief, so they stick to them. I find this stuff very interesting to watch as it unfolds.

Also, all I did was bring up some discussion points that have at least SOME merit because of their link to the past. Remember the (paraphrased) "If we refuse to remember the past, we'll be doomed to repeat it?" quote? I find it interesting that America parallels Ancient Rome in many ways, and several of the things people have been spewing the last several months smacks of Rome and Germany's way of thinking in the past. I didn't say they were facts, just interesting things to ponder AND watch to see how it unfolds in the future - nothing wrong with being vigilant, as many of the Bush haters SHOULD agree with me on - they were sure vigilant on every little thing he supposedly did. I'm just saying let's see how it goes.

As far as Nader goes, he must not have won his lawsuit against OK because I didn't see a write in spot anywhere on my ballot for this year. Not that I would have voted for him either.

One last thing, on the news this morning they were going on about what Obama has inherited when he came into office - the economy, two wars, the energy thing, the social programs thing, medicare going in debt, etc....Matt Lauer popped off and said, "Obama just called in and said, 'Never mind!" I got a big kick out of that one!

One more joke to lighten up the mood - My wife got a text this morning that said, "Note to America - Nov. 5, 2008. All white people should report to the local cotten field by 7 am for orientation. Administration" While slightly racist, I still got a chuckle from it, but in a humorous way, not mean spirited.

MR2 Woodsballer
11-06-2008, 09:25 AM
I voted this year and was deeply dissapointed and flustrated. I have been planing for years to join the Navy, and if it were not for my mother becoming dissabled forcing me to take care of the family. I would be overseas or in nuke school right now. Now I am faced with the horrable decision to join and serve with no choice under a man who I have no respect for and i voted agianst. (for good reason and the details are too long to go into on a fourm) Or try and go to college with the economy the way it is by getting loans. (witch is gonna be hard with banks right now) So i'm at a point in my life with not knowing a dirrection to go.

Alas we find out the real reason that MVS1 Left for Germany..... BTW good preporation Matt


I'm also a gun owner, but I support Obama in wanting stricter gun legislature.

I have to stop you right there chris and share this quote with you. (from the bumper sticker on my car)



http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x168/Headshot_015/hittlerobomaquote.jpg

calebh
11-06-2008, 09:25 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/3390625/Rahm-Emanuel-A-profile-of-Barack-Obamas-enforcer.html
an early indicator of where we're headed?

so much for the honor and unity he was supposed to bring to the white house...

durrell
11-06-2008, 09:59 AM
Go figure.

pbgrandpa
11-06-2008, 02:08 PM
I only see 1 problem with our new President.....
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9966/headupassvr8.jpg

DFSniper
11-06-2008, 03:37 PM
I voted this year and was deeply dissapointed and flustrated. I have been planing for years to join the Navy, and if it were not for my mother becoming dissabled forcing me to take care of the family. I would be overseas or in nuke school right now. Now I am faced with the horrable decision to join and serve with no choice under a man who I have no respect for and i voted agianst. (for good reason and the details are too long to go into on a fourm) Or try and go to college with the economy the way it is by getting loans. (witch is gonna be hard with banks right now) So i'm at a point in my life with not knowing a dirrection to go.



a guy ive known since high school is in iraq right now, and these are his exact words "[Name] is no longer proud enough to call himself a United States soldier. Way to go America. . . The world just witnessed our nation become weak. Obama is going to cut troop strength and funding and thats going to make our country vulnerable to more attacks like 9/11."

and unfortunately i have to agree, so we'll see where this is headed...

timmyshoota
11-06-2008, 05:02 PM
barrack HUSSEIN Obama

You just proved your ignorance Paul. Way to go. This is the single dumbest post in this thread and I'm not surprised at who it came from.

Temp me now Doc.

Drefish99
11-06-2008, 05:28 PM
Okee Doke. On that note. Thanks for playing kids. I like debates like this as long as we can keep the personal attacks out of it. But now might not be the time. Respect is the key. We have to remember that not everyone here will agree with peoples views but last I checked this country gives us the freedom to share their personal views. For now....