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Muddytaco
10-26-2008, 12:19 AM
Vote in the poll above, its private encase your one of those people that don't want others knowing.

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Otherwise feel free to discuss in a rational manner.

vikingshadow
10-26-2008, 04:54 AM
The problem with this election is that we only have 9 days until time to vote and I STILL don't know who to vote for. I dislike both major candidates, and don't know anything about the 3rd party candidates - and don't have the time to research them since the media has all but erased them.

I've voted since Reagan's second term - yes, I'm that old! - and this is the first time ever I haven't really known what to do.

I hate to say it, but I really wish we could have a dual party Pres/VP system. I read on PBNation where a guy presented a situation where he would vote for McCain because Congress was going to become overwhelmingly Democrat, so throwing a Republican in the White House would stop a power hungry PARTY (not person) from being in complete control. Sort of stall the government until someone worth our time makes it into office in 2012. I kind of liked that idea, but that's a screwy reason to vote for a candidate.

I honestly think that this election is strongly contributing to my stress level this year, which has gone through the roof (I have difficult students this year, many MORE students than normal due to losing a teacher on the first day of school and in an effort to save money they didn't hire a new one, trying to get National Board certification, trying a new workout program but not having the time, finances, so on and so forth - the election isn't helping any!)

calebh
10-26-2008, 06:49 AM
i've already voted absentee. i voted nader. i knew for a while that i wasn't going to vote for obama or mccain. i would have voted for either a year ago (though more likely obama), but the presidential campaign brought out the worst in both. both promised to run honorable campaigns, and they've done anything but. all the negative campaigning did nothing but discredit both to the point where i despise both.

vike, watch cspan. it's the only news channel worth watching anymore, and the only one giving any time at all to 3rd parties. cspan is actually airing a debate between chuck baldwin and ralph nader later today.

SpyderMan723
10-26-2008, 08:02 AM
if i could vote, it'd be for JM.

vikingshadow
10-26-2008, 08:06 AM
Yes, but sadly I feel that even if I were to vote third party, I would be contributing to putting a bad leader in office. Sure, my "voice" would be heard, but at my age, I've learned that I'd rather my "voice" not only be heard but to actually contribute.

I've read some more things this morning, a short 7 point diatribe about why not to vote for Obama, and then a (sad) attempt at rebuttal by an angry reader that just contributed to my disgust of this campaign this year, but did actually bring up some other issues.

I do believe I'm leaning toward one candidate, but until I read/watch/hear more (thanks for the cspan idea!) I'm going to hold out until the last minute, I think.

HelpDeskHustler
10-26-2008, 08:59 AM
I want to vote for Ron Paul because I dislike both Obama and McCain as well, but like vike, I probably will use my vote as a tactical draw away from whomever I decide I like least.

shunut
10-26-2008, 09:05 AM
I'm gonna do a write in vote for Otter.

spray and pray
10-26-2008, 09:36 AM
I honestly think that McCain and Obama are horrible choices.

My reasoning:

McCain- He's a little bit old for president. If you look at all of the past presidents you can see how much they aged after becoming one. I honestly believe that McCain will die of old age.

Obama-America is not ready for a black president because of Racism. I know that it sounds pathetic but it's true. If Obama is elected he will probably be shot due to racist America.

marvin-martian
10-26-2008, 10:46 AM
i guess im going to have to vote for mccain. i wish he was more conservative, but i believe hed be a better choice than obama. even if hes not able to do good things for the country (whether it be him or congress not letting him), obama will screw things up even worse than what they are now. obama wants to do some pretty radical things, and he wont have a problem doing them because congress would blindly back him.

another thing you have to look at now is that neither candidate can really afford to do anything big. with this bailout bill thats going out really soon, the government just doesnt have the money. sure we can get more loans from china, but how long do we really want to do that?


Obama-America is not ready for a black president because of Racism. I know that it sounds pathetic but it's true. If Obama is elected he will probably be shot due to racist America.

if thats all thats holding you back, thats stupid. if you feel hed be better, vote for him and dont let racist radicals sway you.

bigred76
10-26-2008, 11:04 AM
Obama-America is not ready for a black president because of Racism. I know that it sounds pathetic but it's true. If Obama is elected he will probably be shot due to racist America.

Don't be ignorant. Obama is not black.

calebh
10-26-2008, 11:15 AM
@HDH, ron paul isn't running a campaign. he endorsed chuck baldwin, who is. so i'd vote for baldwin so the vote would actually count.

@spray and pray, interesting you bring that up. lol. only three presidents have ever risen directly from the senate, and all three died in office. this year, either major candidate will rise from the senate, and both have a better (worse, in this case?) than usual chance of dying in office. mccain from old age (though his mother is in her 90s and still kicking), and obama by assassination. (the leader of the KKK straight up said he would be assassinated if elected)

vikingshadow
10-26-2008, 12:24 PM
I don't buy into the "McCain is going to die while in office" stuff, nor do I buy into the "Obama will be assasinated if elected." Both will have access to the best medicine our money can buy, and Obama will be extremely protected (even more so because of his "minority" status.) McCain is "old" but not "OLD". My dad is his age, and he's going strong - after cancer and a quadruple bypass. He'll be fine.

The last attempt, that I can recall, anyways, was back in the 80's when Reagan was president. That failed - and security has gotten even better since then.

spray and pray
10-26-2008, 12:24 PM
if thats all thats holding you back, thats stupid. if you feel hed be better, vote for him and dont let racist radicals sway you.

I am voting for him, he has been my choice for a while now.

DFSniper
10-26-2008, 01:00 PM
I want to vote for Ron Paul because I dislike both Obama and McCain as well, but like vike, I probably will use my vote as a tactical draw away from whomever I decide I like least.
same here, if i could vote... stil need 4 more years before my citizenship paperwork is legit :(
I'm gonna do a write in vote for Otter.
hear hear!
Don't be ignorant. Obama is not black.

QFT. the only real "black" person in his family is someone on his grandmother's side. he's more Arabic than Black. and since his mother's side of the family is white, he's still 50% white. he's just using the race card to play in favor of a good percentage of the US' citizens.

xsvly-fat
10-26-2008, 09:20 PM
If I could vote I'd vote for McCain, I don't like Obama and his "change" and 3rd party would like throwing a vote away, and I do not like McCain but he is the lesser of two evils.

calebh
10-26-2008, 09:27 PM
a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil ;)

vote FOR somebody, not just against "the other guy"

interceptorMR2
10-26-2008, 09:49 PM
eh ok McCain if I could, but truthfully, I would be a lot less for him if he had picked someone other than Sarah Palin. I'm not really into socialistic ideas, I like keeping most of my hard-earned money, Nobama for me. I just cant stand all this racial crap, its really annoying. I don't care if the person is white, black, yellow, green, orange, whatever, just as long as their policies sound solid and would help our situation, I'll consider them, but all of this "I'll vote for him because he's [insert race color]" stuff is just stupid.

ferret15
10-26-2008, 10:01 PM
i'm from illinois so we already know that obama will get the votes.
but I am going to have to vote for mcCain, big reason I don't trust obama especially after that video that shows how he was basically payed of to help get our economy in this wonderfull economic time we are in. that was the turning point for me.
but they both are awfull choices and I think obama will allow us to be more socialist which is very very very very... bad.

WE have the right to have equal opportunities but because we are not all the same it is a bad idea to go out of the way to make equal opportunities. for instance "no child left behind" we all get to go to school but we don't have to take and accept the experiences we receive there.

interceptorMR2
10-26-2008, 10:13 PM
Yeah no kidding...I think that kind of stuff is just complete bs because anyone in this country (and I mean CITIZENS) can make it here, we have social class mobility, and people can go from rags to riches through hard work.

Hob Hayward
10-26-2008, 10:33 PM
Obama without question.

durrell
10-26-2008, 10:35 PM
Save the babies.

Nobama '08.

vikingshadow
10-27-2008, 04:57 AM
a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil ;)

vote FOR somebody, not just against "the other guy"

That's all well and good for people who think the world can be changed overnight.

However, most of us know that a vote FOR somebody (ie 3rd party) is just a vote FOR somebody and is essentially a non vote - it's not going to accomplish anything so long as the two parties have total control, and that's not going to change until voters change. Until the COUNTRY wakes up, you have to do what you have to do that will be best for you and your family. Unfortunately, that's what politics in this country have come to.

Voting for the lesser of the two evils IS a vote for evil, but at least you get a say in it!

calebh
10-27-2008, 07:32 AM
as long as people keep voting for the same two parties, the country will never wake up. even if i had a clear preference between the two major candidates, i won't help perpetuate the idea that there's no real choice in elections.

maybe i am an idealist. but i'm a real damn cynical one.

HelpDeskHustler
10-27-2008, 08:08 AM
I agree with you caleb. This bipartisan system is just a tactic to win elections, not to make the American voice heard. Elections aren't as meaningful now that the Dems and Reps have this down to clockwork. It's as fake as a reality show and treated by much of the Am. public as if it were.

STRIKEFIRST
10-27-2008, 08:24 AM
I read an interesting book Obama Nation...take it for what it's worth.

Look up Hannity's top 10 reasons he's not voting for Obama...if you find the vdieo it's worth it.

I could go on and on why I'm not voting for Obama...

Here's a few...

Rev. Wright on a national cable talk show said the Obama isn't an idiot and that Obama new the church believed in Black Theology.

Spread the wealth around...I believe Americans should keep the money they earned

Clinton balanced the budget by cutting the capital gaines tax from 28% to 20% Obama will do the opposite. Obama will raise taxes on almost everyone, by letting the Bush tax cuts expire. His taxes will hurt our economy, not help it.

Obama already has Canada and Eastern Europe developing their own trade agreement if he Decides to renegotiate NAFTA as he said he would.

The possibility in this election of having a democratic president with a democratic super majority in the house and senate...can we say disaster? I'd feel the same way if it were reversed and republicans had it...again.

Obama couldn't become and FBI agent because he couldn't pass the background check because of all of his ties to criminal and shady people. The list is to great to list.

His true feelings on gun control. This can be argued by his voting record that he's pro gun...but he wants to stop the production and sale of handguns.

Not to mention abortion.

Lack of experience. Terrible foreign policy and Joe Biden's TERRIBLE record on foreign policy issues.

Anyway I'll stop now.

vikingshadow
10-27-2008, 08:54 AM
as long as people keep voting for the same two parties, the country will never wake up. even if i had a clear preference between the two major candidates, i won't help perpetuate the idea that there's no real choice in elections.

maybe i am an idealist. but i'm a real damn cynical one.

I agree with you caleb. This bipartisan system is just a tactic to win elections, not to make the American voice heard. Elections aren't as meaningful now that the Dems and Reps have this down to clockwork. It's as fake as a reality show and treated by much of the Am. public as if it were.

A great sentiment, seriously, and I totally understand.

But, tell me HOW you're going to get 150 million Americans to side with you? The media hasn't done it, the candidates haven't done it, the door to door "salesmen" haven't done it, the forums haven't done it - nothing has worked. In the meantime, the two major parties have sat back and reaped the benefit of an "idealistic vote."

Now, trust me, I was an idealist for many years - but after about 3 elections, realism took over idealism and the fact that the nation is too apathetic to change anything, so many people have basically given up and decided to vote AGAINST someone rather than for them. During election time, idealism WILL lose out UNTIL you can convince the media and the bean counters that a 3rd party vote will matter in a way other than just giving a dem/rep a leg up in the polls.

Seriously, it's like any other numbers game - you play the odds when you're a candidate. If [insert number of votes] goes toward [insert 3rd party candidate], and [insert name of major party candidate] gets [insert number of votes], then [insert name of candidate] will be able to win [insert district/area/state]. These guys are waiting and BEGGING for the off party vote, because it takes a vote AWAY from their opponent.

Cynical? Hell yes, it's cynical. Until someone shows me otherwise, that's the way it is in the REAL America. With all the talk going on in various forums, you'd think it would have changed by now, but it hasn't. Why not? Because some votes are going to be nothing more than a fly buzzing around the potato salad - a nuisance. Until America shows up and TRULY lets their voices be heard, NOTHING is going to change except one major party candidate is going to beat the other major party candidate. I honestly don't see it happening in my lifetime.

ONE vote doesn't matter anymore, and no one has convinced me differently yet. When a popular vote of the people goes for someone overwhelmingly, yet the super delegate over turns it and that vote goes to someone else, there's more wrong than just the peoples "voice". And once the Super Delegate thing stops working, there will be another thing standing in the way.

Sorry to come across so negativly, but I seriously don't have time to play idealistic games with my families next 4 years and hope the rest of the nation comes around to my way of thinking. I have to think about this seriously right now. What the two major party candidates are proposing has REAL and certain effects on my family and my own wellbeing, and while I love some of the 3rd party candidates ideas and would dearly love to have one in office, I have yet, in 24 years of voting, to see it happen.

calebh
10-27-2008, 12:34 PM
A great sentiment, seriously, and I totally understand.

But, tell me HOW you're going to get 150 million Americans to side with you? The media hasn't done it, the candidates haven't done it, the door to door "salesmen" haven't done it, the forums haven't done it - nothing has worked. In the meantime, the two major parties have sat back and reaped the benefit of an "idealistic vote."
not doing anything certainly won't do it... if nothing else, i know i'm doing something to eventually work towards fixing what i see to be a very serious problem. do i really believe things will change? not really. not any time soon anyway. but am i going to stand by and do nothing? nope...

i understand your desire to help you and your family, but i won't be helped by either party. practically, the differences are so small between republicans and democrats that i have nothing at stake in this election. but that varies by individual

Ace24
10-27-2008, 02:18 PM
If I could vote I'd vote for McCain, I don't like Obama and his "change" and 3rd party would like throwing a vote away, and I do not like McCain but he is the lesser of two evils.

Regardless... Palin makes me want to kill myself.

Drefish99
10-27-2008, 02:47 PM
I'm going to attempt to use voter fraud by altering the poll :D. I live in Chicago and I have legal right to do it. All those in Ohio also have this right.

DFSniper
10-27-2008, 03:05 PM
Voting for the lesser of the two evils IS a vote for evil, but at least you get a say in it!
all this "lesser of two evils" talk reminded me of a line from an old Simpson's Treehouse of Horrors episode where homer says "Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!"
I'm going to attempt to use voter fraud by altering the poll :D. I live in Chicago and I have legal right to do it. All those in Ohio also have this right.

??? enlighten me.

DFSniper
10-27-2008, 07:43 PM
I don't buy into the "McCain is going to die while in office" stuff, nor do I buy into the "Obama will be assasinated if elected." Both will have access to the best medicine our money can buy, and Obama will be extremely protected (even more so because of his "minority" status.) McCain is "old" but not "OLD". My dad is his age, and he's going strong - after cancer and a quadruple bypass. He'll be fine.

The last attempt, that I can recall, anyways, was back in the 80's when Reagan was president. That failed - and security has gotten even better since then.

I honestly think that McCain and Obama are horrible choices.

My reasoning:

McCain- He's a little bit old for president. If you look at all of the past presidents you can see how much they aged after becoming one. I honestly believe that McCain will die of old age.

Obama-America is not ready for a black president because of Racism. I know that it sounds pathetic but it's true. If Obama is elected he will probably be shot due to racist America.
http://news.aol.com/article/feds-bust-skinhead-plot-to-kill-obama/227448

Drefish99
10-27-2008, 08:54 PM
??? enlighten me.

Done. Winner is Mickey Mouse. :D

DFSniper
10-27-2008, 09:25 PM
Lol!

vikingshadow
10-28-2008, 04:49 AM
http://news.aol.com/article/feds-bust-skinhead-plot-to-kill-obama/227448

Now, I never said there wouldn't be PLOTS. There've been PLOTS to kill every president since Washington. Besides, he isn't president yet! :p

I still stand by my original thought on the age issue, and the assasination issue. I just don't think it's going to happen.

Ace24
10-28-2008, 06:28 AM
Two men were arrested yesterday with the intent to assassinate Obama. It was on my local news channel. I don't know if thats the link you just posted, because I didn't check yet, but with there already being plots, they're going to have to have a security guard on every inch of his body in order to protect him. I doubt he'll be safe.

*Edit* Yep, thats the article.

calebh
10-28-2008, 06:48 AM
what happened to the poll? 400,000 people are voting 3rd party? lol

DFSniper
10-28-2008, 11:42 AM
i'm glad i didnt vote yet, because i think i like option 4 the best :D

durrell
10-28-2008, 12:25 PM
Otter Is Over Nein Thousand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

marvin-martian
10-28-2008, 12:54 PM
mods need some adderall...

TheDarkShadow
10-28-2008, 01:12 PM
lolz dre

DFSniper
10-28-2008, 01:23 PM
Otter Is Over Nein Thousand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMFAO!!!!

calebh
10-28-2008, 01:30 PM
lol that's awesome

ferret15
10-28-2008, 01:32 PM
omg, thats awesome!