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villageidiot019
10-11-2008, 03:55 PM
I have about 5 paintballs shooting out at hte same time every time i shoot. If I tilt the marker down all the balls just kind of roll out in a single file line. What is wrong with it? I have had it for almost a year and it hasnt worked for me yet! My patience is growing short with this marker, it has given me nothing but problem. I went out and played today and I was stuck using a rental AGAIN!

What is up? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Hossy
10-11-2008, 04:14 PM
check your detents. If your using a Electric powered loader turn the the power down.

villageidiot019
10-11-2008, 05:14 PM
It isn't an electric power loader it is gravity feed, and what the heck is a detent?

slim and shady
10-11-2008, 07:20 PM
Definatly your detents take your eye covers off including the feedneck you will find the detents by the eyes. just by new ones and replace them I beleive the MR3 has 2

villageidiot019
10-12-2008, 06:20 AM
Do all Detents the same like no matter what you buy they will fit? I am thinking about getting these here (http://www.criticalpaintball.com/Bob_Long_Intimidator_Ball_Detents_3_Set_p/bob_detent.htm). Will these fit on my MR3?

Hossy
10-12-2008, 07:54 AM
No. But usually timmy detents work on spyders I think.

Your problem has been the detents for awhile. The detents hold the ball in the breech so the bolt can push it forward.

villageidiot019
10-12-2008, 09:00 AM
Oh ok I was looking at the ones from here: Bob Long Initimidator Detents (http://www.criticalpaintball.com/Bob_Long_Intimidator_Ball_Detents_3_Set_p/bob_detent.htm) Would this one work? If not where can I get ones that fit because I looked and I found a couple different looking ones.

slim and shady
10-13-2008, 08:05 AM
they should work but you dont nessissarly need timmy detents because you have to normal spyder detents would work as well. the timmys were more of a nessessity in the MR2 ACS version because it only had the single detent in my new MR2 I just use regular spyder detents with no problems

bigred76
10-13-2008, 08:33 AM
I'd go for Timmy detents for new ones rather than the Spyder detents... I've never had a problem with double-feeding in my Timmy's. ;)

villageidiot019
10-13-2008, 08:46 AM
Are Timmy's the same as the Bob Long ones?

bigred76
10-13-2008, 09:03 AM
Yes... Bob Long makes the Intimidator (commonly shortened to Timmy).

villageidiot019
10-13-2008, 09:41 AM
Awesome then. I found one on ebay for about 13 bucks for 10 even though it isn't buy now. I will get them then ok cool thanks guys.

slim and shady
10-13-2008, 11:28 AM
yup

villageidiot019
10-13-2008, 11:38 AM
Uh Huh

bigred76
10-13-2008, 11:47 AM
Yummy.

slim and shady
10-13-2008, 11:57 AM
sorry red missed your post answearing the question

jim762
10-13-2008, 01:32 PM
hey quick question along these lines. What advantage is there if i change out my detents for timmys? I'm not having any problems but was wondering if i should get some and put them in.

bigred76
10-13-2008, 01:40 PM
They are of higher quality from my experience, and thus do not need replacing as often and work better.

jim762
10-13-2008, 01:47 PM
Once again thanks Red...I have this need to order some stuff and have been trying to figure out what to get. Are detents universal or are they marker specific?

bigred76
10-13-2008, 02:31 PM
Well, detents are really marker specific. Heck, even Spyders have different detents, I believe 2 different types: the Timmy style that's on the MR3 and a ball bearing that's on almost everything else.

I would get for your MR3 "hard Timmy detents." They should get your job done. :)

jim762
10-13-2008, 02:36 PM
Thanks, i'm glad there are people around that have the experience to help out the new guys.

villageidiot019
10-13-2008, 05:01 PM
Will these detents fit my MR3?

These Here? (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150303456009&_trksid=p2761.l1259)

DFSniper
10-13-2008, 05:11 PM
yes

bigred76
10-13-2008, 06:34 PM
Yes, those are EXACTLY what you want.

villageidiot019
10-13-2008, 06:37 PM
Ok officially thanks a lot guys I HOPE this will be the end of my MR3 problems. I just want to use my marker real bad in action! If it works I will finally put the stuff I want there on! If i have one more problem with it I will throw the marker away! It is clearly the Lemon MR3 and not the Spyder MR3

DFSniper
10-13-2008, 06:45 PM
or you could donate it to the house of reject guns :p

bigred76
10-13-2008, 06:59 PM
Nah, it's alrite DF, I have too many already. :dodgy:

villageidiot019
10-14-2008, 12:38 PM
HA HA HA maybe I will thanks for the idea. Big red if anything you can just sell for some extra cash!

DFSniper
10-14-2008, 12:44 PM
or give it to me, i'll gut it and use it for spare parts!

villageidiot019
10-15-2008, 04:31 AM
Wow that sounds a little harsh. My MR3 is a piece of junk not a cow. But either way this time around after I get those detents my MR3 choose its own faith.

Kunithrayin
10-15-2008, 05:25 AM
Hey I'll take it if your getting rid of it.

jim762
10-15-2008, 05:34 AM
I just want the assault body..............

villageidiot019
10-15-2008, 08:22 AM
So Jim can have the assault body and Kuithrayin can have the rest? Well if I have another problem with it that is.

jim762
10-15-2008, 11:34 AM
Sounds good to me!!!!

bigred76
10-15-2008, 11:44 AM
Sounds to me like you're giving up before you've gotten started. :) Hit me up on AIM if you need help, Village.

jim762
10-15-2008, 11:58 AM
I would love to have the assault body, but not at his expense. I love my MR3 and really hope he gets it working! Sorry if it seemed like I was hoping he would fail.

bigred76
10-15-2008, 12:33 PM
Mmmhmm, suuuuure. :D Nah, I'm just picking on your, hahahaha! :roflmao:

I have no doubt that I could get it working, but it is up to the owner if he'd like to move to something else.

Kunithrayin
10-15-2008, 01:37 PM
Sounds good to me. I don't realy care to much for the assault body anyway so I'd like it just as much without it.

villageidiot019
10-15-2008, 03:43 PM
I dont plan on giving up with it because another problem came up like 2 seconds ago! I put in my detents and umm when I shoot my gun well I put it to shoot with eyes and it doesn't shoot but it does shoot without eyes. So it shoots semi-auto without eyes and Full auto without eyes but it doesnt shoot semi-auto with eyes. My eyes are broken then?

Kunithrayin
10-15-2008, 05:16 PM
did you put your eye covers back on after you replaced the detents?

villageidiot019
10-15-2008, 05:26 PM
Yea stupid lemon MR3, would that even really matter?

slim and shady
10-15-2008, 05:47 PM
check too see if you pinched the wire or if the wire is still conected to the board. since your doing all that make sure the eyes are clean. if that doesnt work hit Red up on AIM! ;)

jim762
10-15-2008, 08:15 PM
Yea stupid lemon MR3, would that even really matter?

Did you buy it new??? I bought mine used and put about 1000 rounds thru it and only chopped 1 ball. I'm not bragging but if i was having the problems your having i'd take it back where you got it.

hoodtrix
10-16-2008, 06:49 AM
hey jim you need the assualt body? meaning you have the mr2 body? is you do ILL TRADE YA, i cant that the mr3 assualt body and am gunna buy the mr2 body if i cant find some one who can spare it:::::anyone who has a spare mr2 front shroud ill take it off your hands

villageidiot019
10-16-2008, 07:43 AM
Did you buy it new???

It was brand new according to the guy on ebay. It was 180 and "new in box" according to my dad who got it for me for my birthday last year. Big Red thinks there is a kink or something with the wiring on my eyes so I am gonig to take apart tomorrow since I work 1:30 to 10 tonight. I have nothing better to go tomorrow so I will defiantly take this thing apart. I will let you know what happens then.

Does anyone have an Apex barrel on their MR3? Is it everything you thought it would be? I am kind of thinking of getting a different barrel for it.

hoodtrix
10-16-2008, 08:24 AM
It was brand new according to the guy on ebay. It was 180 and "new in box" according to my dad who got it for me for my birthday last year. Big Red thinks there is a kink or something with the wiring on my eyes so I am gonig to take apart tomorrow since I work 1:30 to 10 tonight. I have nothing better to go tomorrow so I will defiantly take this thing apart. I will let you know what happens then.

Does anyone have an Apex barrel on their MR3? Is it everything you thought it would be? I am kind of thinking of getting a different barrel for it.
NEW out of the box on ebay? not with those problems...I brought mine new from a store and never once had a problem sep for a screw came lose and i lost the bolt lever springs but thats because of improper matinance. af far as the barrel. I HATED THE APEX! first the barrel it came with is a larger bore so none of my balls fit then when i took it off the barrel and tried to put it on another barrel i couldnt because you need an adapter. I didnt want to spend more money for something i bought cheap. If I have the money I morethen likely would have kept it and got the adapter but your looking at an extra $60+ ontop of the apex

bigred76
10-16-2008, 11:07 AM
The Apex is inaccurate. Get a nice barrel like a DYE UL in .692 bore, Smart Parts All American, or a CP (one or two piece, doesn't really matter) in .692 bore, and be done with it all.

Kunithrayin
10-16-2008, 11:45 AM
I've got a sp progressive and a PCS US5 Commando Barrel and they both work great for me.

bigred76
10-16-2008, 11:48 AM
And they both don't perform as well as any one of my main barrels. PCS? ****, might as well have rolled the piece of aluminum for the barrel yourself. Progressive is "meh" all around, makes the balls go where you're pointing towards at least.

jim762
10-16-2008, 12:17 PM
hey jim you need the assualt body? meaning you have the mr2 body? is you do ILL TRADE YA, i cant that the mr3 assualt body and am gunna buy the mr2 body if i cant find some one who can spare it:::::anyone who has a spare mr2 front shroud ill take it off your hands

Sorry, I have an MR3 assault body. I want to modify mine but, want to have a spare in case I screw up. So i'm just looking for a cheap replacement. Thanks anyway.

Kunithrayin
10-16-2008, 12:49 PM
And they both don't perform as well as any one of my main barrels. PCS? ****, might as well have rolled the piece of aluminum for the barrel yourself. Progressive is "meh" all around, makes the balls go where you're pointing towards at least.


Actually with the progressive I can fire atleast 50 out of 5. shots within a 10" circle. I'd say that's pretty good and it only cost $40 instead of spending a ton on something your don't really need.

The PCS shoots almost as good as the progressive and is only $30.

If you want to buy me something better and then let me compare it go ahead but until then I'm going to say these work great for me.

jim762
10-16-2008, 01:56 PM
It was brand new according to the guy on ebay. It was 180 and "new in box" according to my dad who got it for me for my birthday last year. Big Red thinks there is a kink or something with the wiring on my eyes so I am gonig to take apart tomorrow since I work 1:30 to 10 tonight. I have nothing better to go tomorrow so I will defiantly take this thing apart. I will let you know what happens then.

Does anyone have an Apex barrel on their MR3? Is it everything you thought it would be? I am kind of thinking of getting a different barrel for it.

This is why I don't buy off of Ebay. You never know what you will get. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying anything bad about you or your dad. he had the best intentions in mind. But you can't tell me that the guy that sold it didn't know it was like that.

bigred76
10-16-2008, 03:00 PM
Actually with the progressive I can fire atleast 50 out of 5. shots within a 10" circle. I'd say that's pretty good and it only cost $40 instead of spending a ton on something your don't really need.

The PCS shoots almost as good as the progressive and is only $30.

If you want to buy me something better and then let me compare it go ahead but until then I'm going to say these work great for me.

I would but I'm a fan of people paying their own way... none of that "daddy [or mommy] buy me this, buy me that" bull crap. ;)


Sorry, I guess I came off as an ass. Was totally not my intention. I suppose that what I was trying to say was "save your money and get a barrel like I have."

Kunithrayin
10-16-2008, 03:48 PM
What do are your "main barrels" anyway?

bigred76
10-16-2008, 04:02 PM
SP Freak kits, MacDev Matchstiks, Lucky Un1tech mini-kit, and Proto 2 Piece (same as UL, but cheaper). Also have an assortment of stock barrels for reball and loaning uses.

villageidiot019
10-17-2008, 07:29 AM
Wow Just so everyone knows this barrel conversation has me TOTALLY lost! But I have class at 2 so I will be home around 2:30 so I hope to have this problem fixed with the eyes and than by then maybe I will understand this barrel conversation. All i know is that I need a new one. Is the J&J ceramic barrel any good? I only hear good things about it and nothing bad AT ALL. Is it a good pick?

Kunithrayin
10-17-2008, 08:26 AM
It really depends on how much your spending. They're are a bunch of ok barrels our there for around $40 but if you want really good it's going to be more.

villageidiot019
10-17-2008, 08:53 AM
Yea I see, I need nothing bigger than a 12 inch because I am always up close and personal when playing. Usually out in the first 5 minutes in a good round or whatever it is called. So i have a stock MR1 barrel which is 11 or 12 inches so I use that for now. I just need to save up some money and make sure I can fix it first. I am thinking about the J&J ceramic I heard SO many good things about it, never shoot a marker with one though. Is it really as good as people say?

bigred76
10-17-2008, 11:34 AM
The J&J is a popular beginner barrel due to it's low price and medium level of performance. If you're not interested in dropping $50 (or in my case, nearly $300 all said and done) on barrels, it'd be fine. I'd recommend the 14", just out of personal preference. 12" would be fine as well, though.

villageidiot019
10-17-2008, 01:23 PM
Yea I dont like how a 12 inch barrel looks at in, man am I freaking picky. Took me 20 years to figure that out. But I had no kinks in the wiring for my eyes and I think I just screwed it in too tight, it said in the manual if you screw it in too tight the semi with eyes wont work but the res will. So my marker is all set and good to go! Now is there such thing as a good 8 inch barrel as far as accuracy?

I have been looking at carbon fiber barrels for a while and I have one on my Tippmann 98 and I want one for my MR3 maybe but it looks like they won fit because it is too wide where the threads are to fit it in. Is there one without the annoying end or would I be able to sand it down or something and not mess up its performance?

bigred76
10-17-2008, 03:13 PM
The Deadlywind Fibur might do the trick in the CF department. Nice CF barrel that takes Freak inserts as the control bore. As for the 8" barrels, I have not found a decent 8" barrel in all the years I have played. Most are just plain crap. J&J just might work best for you, though.

villageidiot019
10-17-2008, 03:54 PM
Can I sand the ends of a carbon fiber barrel if it doesn't fit in my shroud? And if I do can it mess up the performance of a barrel?

bigred76
10-17-2008, 06:18 PM
The aluminum that is the threading and part that holds the CF at the end to screw into the marker is really small compared to most barrels. I think it might just be fine as it is. I'd personally take the shroud into a metal shop and have them mill out the shroud a little if it doesn't fit rather than the barrel.

villageidiot019
10-20-2008, 09:05 AM
Yea, I dont think there is a milling shop around here. Atleast one I dont know of. Maybe I will just stick with a normal barrel like a J&J or a Smart parts or something.

villageidiot019
10-20-2008, 12:46 PM
What is the difference between the J&J ceramic and the J&J Full Tilt Ceramic besides the Full Tilt is a 2 piece barrel and price

hoodtrix
10-20-2008, 01:13 PM
im glad to see your mr3 is working, have fun owning ppl

bigred76
10-20-2008, 01:44 PM
Well, the 2 Piece can probably be made into a kit using different backs. Just the Ceramic should be fine, as it is cheaper and does basically the same thing.

villageidiot019
10-20-2008, 03:44 PM
im glad to see your mr3 is working, have fun owning ppl

Yesss I hope I get to give everyone some welts to show their friends! :D

Well, the 2 Piece can probably be made into a kit using different backs. Just the Ceramic should be fine, as it is cheaper and does basically the same thing.

Ok cool thanks for the info, not its just a matter of getting paid next week and I am good to go! I will put up some pics sooner or later!

DFSniper
10-20-2008, 04:05 PM
lol, i guess its not a "quick" problem if it took 7 pages! :p

villageidiot019
10-20-2008, 05:00 PM
lol, i guess its not a "quick" problem if it took 7 pages! :p

HA HA HA, yea I know well one problem was fixed that another showed up than another. Told you I have the Lemon MR3, or mine was just PMSing for a year, not sure which one yet anymore

bigred76
10-20-2008, 05:05 PM
Hahahaha! No worries, so long as we get it working and you off and playing some ball!

villageidiot019
10-20-2008, 06:24 PM
Exactly I am just glad to have it fixed now and I can finally put the mods on that I want for my playing style.Oh yea before I forget is there such a thing as a 33 or a 38 cubic inch Nitro tank? The place I went to i couldnt remember the cubic inches and it was REAL small! I can't seem to find it anywhere. One of the refs that work there says it is one of the 2, is he wrong or is it like custom made or something.

DFSniper
10-20-2008, 06:27 PM
13/3k

bigred76
10-20-2008, 07:42 PM
They also make a 22ci/3kpsi tank. Those are for pump play, though. Too small for any use on a semi.

villageidiot019
10-21-2008, 04:29 AM
Oh ok, they worked real good, I still have a CO2 tank and I normally rent a Nitro tank. I am definitely going to invest in one I guess I will take a trip up there and make sure on the measurements. The only thing I can remember is that they charge you 200 bucks for it.

villageidiot019
10-25-2008, 12:51 PM
Grrr my eyes are going bad again!!!!! Just check for kinks again!!! This is just annoying now!

jim762
10-25-2008, 03:58 PM
So it was working and now it quit again? and it works in semi and auto with out eyes? Thats weird! They must be getting dirty. i haven't had a problem yet with my eyes(fingers crossed). I usually use it without eyes. Maybe a new board with eyes will do the trick. Hope you get it fixed.

villageidiot019
10-25-2008, 07:38 PM
Well i had my girl friend looked at it and it seems like the wiring for the eyes where the feed neck goes is getting cut. But when I push the wire it fires.

jim762
10-25-2008, 08:00 PM
Well, if it works when you push on the wires then most likely you have an open wire, and pushing on it closes the connection. The easiest thing to do is find some eyes somewhere. Not sure if you can get just the eyes or if you have to replace the whole board. Either way i would replace them and be careful putting your feed neck back on.

bigred76
10-25-2008, 09:41 PM
I'd call Kingman up and ask them for a pair of eyes since yours went bad. ;)

jim762
10-27-2008, 04:40 PM
Well i had my girl friend looked at it and it seems like the wiring for the eyes where the feed neck goes is getting cut. But when I push the wire it fires.

You get your eyes working?

villageidiot019
10-27-2008, 05:10 PM
I just got done playing it and it shoots fine and in the backyard but i am not sure during a real game if it will work like the wiring for the eyes might come loose. I have to try it during a real game. All I did was push it where the problem is and it's good. I might put tape on it just in case so it won't fall lose. Now I just need a barrel. Has anyone tried the Rap 4 Recon barrels?

jim762
10-27-2008, 07:18 PM
The wire to the eyes appears to be cut and is only making contact when you push on it. good luck, but i think you are going to need new eyes eventually.

villageidiot019
10-28-2008, 05:07 AM
That I do not doubt at all. I should give them a call to see if they will give me new eyes but I dont think they will give me just the eyes, I think they will end up giving me a whole circuit board grip thing.

jim762
10-28-2008, 12:01 PM
can't hurt to try

villageidiot019
11-01-2008, 08:19 PM
Would a 3000PSI nitro tank good or is there another one I should get? Well a different PSI?

jim762
11-01-2008, 09:47 PM
Would a 3000PSI nitro tank good or is there another one I should get? Well a different PSI?

Thats what i use (48/3K) along with most of my friends. What are you using now?

bigred76
11-01-2008, 10:34 PM
I'd save up and get a 68ci/4500psi carbon fiber tank. About the same weight, and it holds more than twice the air.

villageidiot019
11-02-2008, 06:06 PM
I had a 48/3000 PMI tank, but um I went to skirmish went to go get food came back and they left my marker and they took my nitro tank!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :headbrick: :headbrick: :bawling:

TheDarkShadow
11-02-2008, 06:29 PM
that's pretty sad, for someone to steal a steely

jim762
11-02-2008, 06:32 PM
I had a 48/3000 PMI tank, but um I went to skirmish went to go get food came back and they left my marker and they took my nitro tank!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :headbrick: :headbrick: :bawling:

Thats just wrong...:angry:

villageidiot019
11-02-2008, 07:02 PM
So yea is there a visible difference between 3000 and 3500

jim762
11-02-2008, 07:35 PM
Someone correct me if i am wrong but the PSI rating is what the tank is tested at max safe pressure. It has nothing to do with size. That would be Cubic inches (C.I.).

villageidiot019
11-02-2008, 07:40 PM
I think it is the more PSIs it is the more it uses per shot so they usually come in bigger sizes make sense? Is my theory correct?

jim762
11-02-2008, 08:00 PM
No, the marker will use the same amount of air regardless of the size of the tank. You will get more shots from a larger tank. But, I don't think the PSI rating has anything to do with the volume (size) of the tank. Now in the paintball world that may not be true...I.E. a smaller tank has a smaller PSI rating. But in the real world I have seen the same size tanks rated at different PSI. Don't confuse the tanks PSI output for the PSI rating that is stamped when it is hydro tested. Which is what one of us is doing. So which are you asking about/ the output or the Hydro rating???? Can one of the more experienced guys throw your expertise in here. I don't want to lead him down the wrong path.....

bigred76
11-02-2008, 08:48 PM
Here we go, you might want to read this twice for maximum information absorbtion:

The volume of the tank determines the size (IE: 48ci, 45ci, 68ci, 72ci, 88ci, 92ci, 114ci). The pressure of the tank is what amount of PSI it can hold (IE: 1800psi for CO2, 3kpsi for 3kpsi rated tanks, 4.5kpsi for 4.5kpsi tanks). Now, you can get carbon fiber or steel tanks. The steel tanks are heavier, but they're cheaper. They also only hold 3kpsi. The Carbon Fiber is where it gets difficult... On 9/10 tanks out there, the regulator is preset to a certain pressure output (450psi, 650psi, or 850psi). Steel tanks are normally only HP tanks, which is the 850psi output. With the Carbon Fiber (CF from here on out), you can get any of those pressure outputs depending on what you want, or even an adjustable tank regulator that can put out a pressure of anywhere between 100psi and 1200psi. This can be used as a regulator for the marker as they did it back in the day, however it is recommended with all markers to use a secondary regulator, but that's for the next paragraph. With a 68/45 (68ci/4.5kpsi) tank, you can get about 1500 shots with average efficiency. Keep in mind that some guns get less, some guns get more: it all depends on all the factors coming into affect (altitude, temperature, operating design, operating pressure, etc etc etc). It also is not too large and not too small, and just about the right weight. I'd be looking for a nice Crossfire, Custom Products (CP), Draxxus (DXS), or Pure Energy (PE) tank, as all are very nice regulators. Make sure of the hydrostatic testing date on the tank, and compare it to the DOT SP (Special Permit) code online to see whether it is a 5yr or 3yr tank.

jim762
11-02-2008, 08:51 PM
Once again, thanks Red!!!

villageidiot019
11-03-2008, 11:29 AM
You weren't kidding about the whole reading it twice thing. But I am thinking of a crossfire but it is just the size and the PSIs I am unsure of which one to get. Everyone that I play with as the same Nitro tank I had. Do all tanks except for C02 tanks hold compressed air and Nitro? The one plce I go to uses compressed air and the other uses Nitro.

jim762
11-03-2008, 01:36 PM
Compressed air (HPA) and nitro bottles are the same. As far as size, thats personal preference and budget. If you want something light then get a smaller bottle. But you will have to get a fill between games( unless you are playing a big scenario). Our games only last 20 to 30 minutes and only fire 100 - 200 rds. So we usually fill up every other game. The only thing I am not sure of is, once you fill the bottle with nitro or air, I'm pretty sure you need to purge the tank before filling it with the other gas. With that being said, you might want to invest in 2 less expensive tanks (one for air and one for nitro). So its up to you which route you go.

villageidiot019
11-03-2008, 04:33 PM
You just can't empty it out then?

bigred76
11-03-2008, 05:49 PM
HPA is 80% nitrogen. ;) It doesn't really matter so long as you don't use pure oxygen. That **** is FLAMMABLE as hell! Just hook up the tank and fill away. One thing to be aware of is to NOT use oil on the fill nipple, the gauge, and the burst disk. That could cause an explosion when filling the tank.

It might be a good idea to drain the tank first, but I wouldn't bother. The only thing that'll happen is it'll dilute the Nitrogen content.

jim762
11-03-2008, 08:06 PM
Thanks Red, wasn't sure about any of that stuff.

bigred76
11-03-2008, 08:28 PM
NP. When in doubt, post it up. ;)

villageidiot019
11-04-2008, 04:55 AM
Ok cool So i will just get a crossfire then. Ok well yet another quick question. I have a remote coil, i bought it like 2 years ago. It doesn't fit on my nitro tank and if if it does, i wont go in all the way. Are there remote coils that are ment for nitro tanks and others ment for C02?

Kunithrayin
11-04-2008, 05:25 AM
All remote coils should fit both

villageidiot019
11-04-2008, 08:05 AM
Yea that is what I thought, I don't know maybe I suck at screwing it in. I guess I will just go ahead and try. I know I got the coil before I really saw anyone using a Nitro tank so that just had me wondering.

Kunithrayin
11-04-2008, 02:31 PM
You may have cross threaded it at one point. Look at the threads on the tank and on the coil and see if they're messed up.

villageidiot019
11-05-2008, 05:57 AM
The threading on the coil is stripped. Does a 4500PSI tank shoot better than a 3000 tank?

bigred76
11-05-2008, 10:17 AM
The pressure doesn't matter, it's merely how much air the tank is holding. A 4500psi tank will allow you to shoot longer off a fill if that's what you mean.

villageidiot019
11-08-2008, 07:27 PM
Oh ok thanks, where can you get your Nitro tank hydrated? Do you have to ship it to the factory or what? ow much does it cost?

bigred76
11-08-2008, 09:10 PM
To get it "hydrated," just toss it in a bucket of water. http://tinyurl.com/6gt2q7


http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=60562 That should help guide you through Hydrostatic Testing. :) I believe there's a thread in the Services B/S/T area for Hydro Testing, I'll see if I can come up with the link.

especiialypsycho
11-08-2008, 09:18 PM
http://hazmat.dot.gov/sp_app/approvals/hydro/hydro_retesters.htm

villageidiot019
11-09-2008, 06:54 AM
To get it "hydrated," just toss it in a bucket of water. http://tinyurl.com/6gt2q7.

^ LMAO!!! Smarty

So I can't just send it to crossfire co and they send it back to me? I have to go to some place to do it?

jim762
11-09-2008, 01:59 PM
You would have to ask Crossfire if they would do it and how much. There should be some one near you that can hydro a tank. Ask around your local field or shop. Find out where they recommend.

bigred76
11-09-2008, 08:46 PM
Crossfire costs $20 to rehydro a tank, form is here: http://www.crossfireinc.com/cf500hydro.pdf

Their website: http://www.crossfireinc.com

I'd sugest asking your local shop, though. It might not be cheaper initially, but they'll handle everything for you.

villageidiot019
11-11-2008, 07:36 AM
Oh wow cool thanks guys.

bigred76
11-11-2008, 08:36 AM
No prob, mate. It's what we're here for. :)

villageidiot019
11-11-2008, 10:18 AM
Ok here yet another question from the oh not so brilliant one. I know what HPA tank I am getting (45/4500) now do I know the one with blue lettering whoots 450PSI and the red one shoots 800PSI, which one should I get? How many PSI does the MR3 shoot per shot? Also how many PSIs does the MR1 shoot per shot?

bigred76
11-11-2008, 12:10 PM
Good question, I don't know. If you could run 1k psi accurately off each marker I could tell you an average, but the main problem with giving you a shot count or pressure per shot number with a Spyder is simple: there is no secondary regulator to help control the flow of air. I can guess and extrapolate based on what my guns do and things like that, but I can't say for certain what yours will do.

You will need the HP tank, though.

villageidiot019
11-11-2008, 04:14 PM
Yea I had problems find the answer myself I will keep looking.

bigred76
11-11-2008, 06:01 PM
I'm going to bet... about 245psi per shot. That's about 900 shots per tank fill off a 45/45.

villageidiot019
11-12-2008, 08:47 AM
Big Red you are Awesome thanks a lot! I thought it would be no higher then 600PSIs but wanted an estimate for my unsureness.

Once again your awesome

jim762
11-12-2008, 02:33 PM
:bow: :bow: :bow: All Hail Red!!!!:bow: :bow: :bow:

bigred76
11-12-2008, 04:35 PM
600psi per shot is astoundingly inefficient. My Cyborg runs off of 150psi per shot, and the most efficient marker I've seen gets about 123psi per shot. My Cyborg gets about 2k shots per 68/45.

villageidiot019
11-12-2008, 06:50 PM
:bow: :bow: :bow: All Hail Red!!!!:bow: :bow: :bow:

HA HA HA HA

So then y make a HPA tank that shoots 800PSI??

bigred76
11-12-2008, 07:14 PM
Because it supplies 800psi to the marker. This is so that the marker does not run out of air supply. The HPR on most markers brings it down to the more tolerable 200psi range. This Operating Pressure (OP) allows the marker to have air for the LPR to cycle the solenoid and to fill the volume chamber in front of the valve with enough air to fire the ball.The amount of time the valve is open is what really controls how much air is used, and that is called dwell. The less of this dwell setting, the less air is used.

You must remember, PSI is only the amount of pressure (force) that the air has with it due to its compression. The volume is really what matters when it comes to efficiency. For instance, a chamber with 1in^2 with 500psi has the exact same amount of air as a chamber with 2in^2 at 250psi.

The air in a Spyder is not routed to a LPR, and is instead straight to the valve. Depending on the input pressure is how fast the marker recocks (higher pressure means that it will close the valve quicker and shoot the striker back at a much more rapid rate). Dwell in an electronic Spyder becomes how long the sear stays down. This is how the Spyder only uses about 250psi per shot, as the high input pressure causes the marker to close it's valve quickly. When you make a Spyder LP, you have to get a spring kit to offset the tension on the parts to be right for the pressure that is pushing it back (25psi of recocking pressure with a hard main spring doesn't work too well).

villageidiot019
11-13-2008, 07:54 AM
That sort of confused me but I think I sort of got it. I dont know.

villageidiot019
02-04-2009, 07:11 AM
I was shooting my cousin's Smart Parts Ion and that thing was ridiculously accurate like I have never seen a gun that accurate in all my years of paintball. What is that Smart Parts do to make it that accurate?

As for the setup of the gun he didn't do anything to the internals at all as of my knowledge. This is his stuff on it:

- Halo B Hopper with Rip drive <- ( I think thats what its called )
- Clamping feedneck
- Steel silver and black frame
- 16 inch Smart Parts 2 Piece Barrel ( The Freak Front & All American Tip)

Is it the barrel??? The bolts what???

TheDarkShadow
02-04-2009, 07:35 AM
that is a really good barrel (I think you mean Freak back w/ AA tip), paint to barrel match may have something to do with it too

villageidiot019
02-04-2009, 09:45 AM
Do you think at would fit onto the MR3??? Also where could i find that 2 O ring bolt? Can't seem to find it

slim and shady
02-04-2009, 10:41 AM
you will find the bolt at alamo city paintball dont have a link though sorry.

TheDarkShadow
02-04-2009, 11:06 AM
Do you think at would fit onto the MR3??? Also where could i find that 2 O ring bolt? Can't seem to find it

the one he has, has different threads than your's but you can get freak kits or an All American Barrel with spyder threads

villageidiot019
02-04-2009, 06:12 PM
the one he has, has different threads than your's but you can get freak kits or an All American Barrel with spyder threads

Yea I know that it has to be Spyder threaded and stuff. I just wanted to make sure that it would fit with the MR3 Shroud. And I made a mistake on the barrel its The Freak Barrel front and tip. If that makes any difference to performance.

TheDarkShadow
02-04-2009, 06:54 PM
try to put his through the shroud, that should tell you, even though it doesnt have the right threads

villageidiot019
02-05-2009, 09:50 AM
Yea sounds like a plan, that is what I was thinking of doing, if it doesn't fit I will probably cry to my death

Is this site here (http://www.alamocitypb.com/MANUFACTPAGES/kingman.html) is the 2 oring bolt you guys are talking about it the same as the SPYDER MR 2 and MR 3 DELRIN BOLT???

sneekypete
02-05-2009, 07:53 PM
Yes, when you order just the regular one it will ask you how many o-rings

villageidiot019
02-06-2009, 06:28 AM
Sounds good sweet

villageidiot019
02-13-2009, 07:36 PM
WOW it doesn't fit!!!!!! Dos anyone have any experience with the RAP4 recon barrels??????

slim and shady
02-13-2009, 07:38 PM
Just get the back turned down by a machinest

sneekypete
02-14-2009, 04:26 PM
I have the 8 inch and it fits the MR-2 but I am unsure if the MR-2 shroud and the MR-3 have the same size hole for the barrel

villageidiot019
02-14-2009, 07:01 PM
They said that it will fit and I am just wondering performance wise if it's worth getting.

sneekypete
02-14-2009, 07:41 PM
It's not too bad need big paint for it though but not as good as the J&J but if I remember they are pretty cheap and you can screw on there Apex tip

villageidiot019
02-15-2009, 07:35 PM
What do you mean by big paint???

slim and shady
02-15-2009, 08:38 PM
larger bore paint. the barrel has a larger bore so you need bigger paint to get decent accuracy

villageidiot019
02-16-2009, 10:45 AM
LMAO wow i feel like an idiot

villageidiot019
02-24-2009, 09:40 AM
If there is 7/8 inch diameter on the RAP4 Recon barrel would that still need big paint or no??

Also I found this Barrel adapter that is meant for Spyders and it will add an extra 4 inches. Here is the link (http://www.anythingxtreme.com/APP-Spyder-4-Barrel-Extenders-P5789C905.aspx) Do you think it would fit the MR3???

sneekypete
02-24-2009, 01:48 PM
Yes. The 7/8 inch is the outside diameter not the bore size. As for the adapter I can't say. Maybe is the best you will get out of me on that one but if you ask them to messure the fattest part of the adapter and it is under 7/8ths then go for it