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shunut
10-06-2008, 06:01 AM
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Got that in my email this morning. Haven't seen stats on either but I believe the Geo is a spooly.

florios
10-06-2008, 06:29 AM
those are sicccckk

bamf-hacker
10-06-2008, 07:03 AM
one PE spooly = SP lawsuit :)

Nice now I can get an 07 or 08 Ego for cheap.

shunut
10-06-2008, 07:32 AM
Only Geo Specs I can find, directly from Nicky T of Planet Eclipse

Weight – 860g/1.89lb Including 14” Shaft3 Barrel, Battery, Feed Tube, OOPS
Length – 517mm Including 14” Shaft3 Barrel
Height – 198mm
Width – 31mm

Operating Pressure – 110-135psi

shunut
10-06-2008, 07:39 AM
Operational Highlights Of the Eclipse Geo

Here you will find detailed technical explanations of some of the design innovations that have gone into the New Eclipse Geo. In developing the Eclipse Geo we isolated key weak-points of existing designs of spool valve based markers and sought to find intelligent design solutions to overcome those issues.

Supply Isolation Mechanisms (SIMs) – A means for isolating the gas supply to the firing/dump chamber during the firing cycle.

In order to achieve the best gas efficiency in the widest range of conditions and circumstances it has long been recognised that spool-valve based markers operate best when the supply of gases to the firing/dump chamber is isolated during the time that the bolt is in the firing position. This prevents the free-flow of air from the supply (tank), through the firing/dump chamber, and out of the barrel during the cycle. This free-flow of air is one of the largest contributing factor of poor efficiency in any marker that does not posses a Supply Isolation Mechanism. As such, a Supply Isolation Mechanism is a must-have for any Spool valve based marker that is hoping to produce decent efficiency figures.

However, all current spool-valve based markers that utilise a Supply Isolation Mechanism use an elaborate and often over-complicated series of seals and stems in and around the bolt assembly/drivetrain in order to cut the gas supply to the firing/dump chamber when the bolt is in the firing position. Incorporating this mechanism into the bolt assembly/drive train has one major drawback:

An increase in number of Dynamic Seals in the Bolt Assembly/Drivetrain.

So what are dynamic seals and how do they affect the performance of a marker?

Dynamic Seals – A dynamic seal is characterized by relative motion between a sealing surface and a seal. In a paintball marker a dynamic seal either moves, or has a part moving over it, during the cyclic operation of the gun, whilst being required to produce a gas-tight seal during all, or part of, the firing cycle.

These are o-rings and seals that are subject to wear and tear during each cycle of the marker.

Most current spool-valve markers have a high number of dynamic seals. This is particularly true in ones that have some form of Supply Isolation Mechanism built into the bolt assembly/drivetrain.

For example:
DM8 = 6 x Dynamic Seals
PM8 = 6 x Dynamic Seals
Shocker w/HE Bolt = 7 x Dynamic Seals
Droid = 8 x Dynamic Seals
(Bolt-in-Breech seal not included in this comparison)

By comparison the New Eclipse Geo has only 3 Dynamic Seals in the entire bolt assembly.

So what negative effects does a large number of Dynamic Seals create?

Here are some:

Friction - More dynamic seals means more friction in the bolt assembly/drivetrain.
Failure – More seals in the system mean more potential areas for leaks and failures.
Stiction – More dynamic seals means increased stiction in the system which can cause FSDO (First Shot Drop Off) and poor performance.
Maintenance – More regular and extensive maintenance. More seals to keep lubricated. More parts to remove, clean, lubricate and re-assemble during regular maintenance.

The fewer dynamic seals in the bolt system, the less of an issue any of the above become.


Eclipse ISCIS (Integrated Solenoid Controlled Isolation System) Valve

So how have Eclipse got around this problem? Well, the New Eclipse Geo solves this problem in a new and unique way. To start with, the Supply Isolation mechanism (SIMs) has been completely removed from the bolt assembly/drivetrain, drastically reducing the number of internal components and seals in the bolt assembly. Then, by working in close partnership with one of the USAs largest family-owned pneumatic companies, Eclipse have developed the ISCIS (Integrated Solenoid Controlled Isolation System) custom-built solenoid valve that not only functions to cycle the bolt mechanism like any other electro-pneumatic marker, but also to electronically control the distribution of air to fill and isolate the firing/dump chamber during every cycle. By utilizing the same technology that is used in industrial solenoid valves designed to operate over tens-of-millions-of-cycles without maintenance, the Eclipse Geo solenoid valve not only provides the function for incredibly high bolt cycle speeds, but also the function for a flawlessly simple Supply Isolation Mechanism. And because the same ISCIS valve that controls the bolt actuation also controls the flow of gases to the firing/dump chamber, it means the firing, isolation and filling of the cycle will always be perfectly synchronous. This is an incredibly simple solenoid valve assembly that has been configured to supply gases at the required pressures and required flows to operate in this unique layout. It is the simplicity of the concept and the execution that ensure the long-term performance and reliability of the design.

With the SIMs now removed from the bolt assembly/drivetrain, and the ISCIS valve controlling the flow distribution into the valve chamber, it leaves the internals of the body as simple and uncluttered as possible.

One ISCIS Valve. Check
One Moving internal component, the bolt. Check
Three Dynamic Bolt seals. Check

Bolt Assembly – When designing something to be as efficient, reliable, and user-friendly as possible it is often key to make things as simple as possible. With the removal of the SIMs mechanism from the bolt assembly it allows the bolt mechanism to be simplified to its most basic components. That simplification then allows efforts to concentrated on making those few parts out of the very highest quality materials, machined and finished to the very highest quality.
There are 3 basic components to the Geo Bolt assembly:

The Can – This sits inside the Geo body and has only one real purpose, and that is to retain the front dynamic seal. This is the o-ring that seals around the front portion of the bolt. It can be removed without tools in order to replace the seal, and the design means that perfect concentric alignment of the other internal parts is always guaranteed.

The Prop Shaft – This is the part that screws into the back of the body with or without the use of tools. It self-centres itself into the body and the Can to ensure perfect alignment with the other internal components, and carries the main firing/dump chamber seal. It also contains the VVC, Variable Volume Chamber (see below)

The SC Bolt – The only dynamic part of the assembly. The bolt is manufactured from 7000-Series aluminium and industrial hard anodized. Why? Because the bolt has 2 intrinsically important sealing surfaces. One external diameter at the front of the bolt that seals against the dynamic seal in the Can, and one internal bore at the rear of the bolt that seals against the main seal on the Poppet. Given that this component is the only reciprocating part of the assembly, and that it is exposed to the areas that can be easily contaminated with foreign debris (dirt, sand, grit, etc) it is sensible to make it as durable, yet as light as possible.

Quick and Simple Maintenance - Because of the simplicity of this system it means that the Geos bolt removal can be accomplished in under 6 seconds, and that regular cleaning and maintenance can be completed in under a minute. Further more, the complete bolt and firing assembly can be removed, cleaned, all o-rings, bumpers and seals replace, lubricated and then re-assembled in less than two and a half minutes. Try that on a marker that has its SIMS integrated into the bolt assembly!

Variable Volume Chamber (VVC) – Large Volume with Lower Pressure or Smaller volume with Higher Pressure? That is the normal question with this type of marker. Most manufacturers fix the internal volume of their firing chamber leaving the user with only the option of adjusting the pressure used to fill the firing chamber as a means of adjusting velocity.

On the Eclipse Geo an additional adjustment parameter has been added for the users benefit. The VVC or Variable Volume Chamber mechanism allows the user, with a turn of a hex key, to finely adjust the volume of the Geos firing chamber. As such, small adjustments to the operating pressure and firing chamber volumes can be made in order to determine the final velocity of the paintball being fired.

shunut
10-06-2008, 07:40 AM
Eclipse Features

Since the Launch of the Ego in late 2004 Eclipse have developed and integrated a range of features into their markers that have helped set them apart from the rest of the competition. All of the features listed below can now not-only be found in the Eclipse Ego range, but in the Eclipse Geo range as well.

Deftek Feed – The Deftek Offset Feed is a subtle yet brutally effective solution to an age-old problem. LBB, or Last Ball Bounce, is a phenomenon that plagues every vertical feed marker. Balls that are free-falling down the feed tube from the loader fall into the breech, trigger the Ball Detection system, and initiate the firing cycle. The ball then hits the bottom of the breech, bounces un-hindered off the bottom of the breech and back up the feed tube. In the time that the markers pneumatic system has taken to react to the firing signal and started to move the bolt, the ball is now half way back out of the breech. The bolt cycles forward and cuts or crushes the ball as it is half in and half out of the breech.

The Deftek feed combats this problem by stepping the incoming vertical feed tube a couple of millimetres to the side of the breech. Now as the free-falling ball enters the breech, it first contacts an angled portion of the breech that deflects the ball across the breech to the far wall. This action both absorbs energy from the falling ball, and deflects it in a direction that prevents it from bouncing back up the feed port. The ball falls and nestles into the breech, ready to be fired.

By utilizing the Deftek system it means that the firing cycle can be run with no delay in the electronics between a ball being detected by the breech sensor and the solenoid being actuated to fire the marker. There is no need for the system to wait for the ball to “settle” in the breech, and no need to wait in case the ball bounces in the breech. This makes cycle times as short, and as responsive as possible.


The SC (Spool-Cure) Bolt – The original Ego Cure bolt was developed to combat a very unique phenomena. Contrary to popular belief, it was not developed to prevent Ball Chopping (where a ball that is loading/falling into the breech is trapped between the bolt face and the feed/breech wall) but rather to reduce, and ultimately eliminate, breakages caused by the bolt “Clipping” the 2nd ball in the feed stack.

“2nd Ball Clipping” is primarily caused by part of the 2nd ball in the feed stack being forced down into the breech area by a force fed loader. As the bolt comes forward to fire the 1st ball in the stack it “clips” the bottom of the 2nd ball. This can lead to the 2nd ball becoming cracked or weakened, or even creating a pin-prick hole in the bottom of the ball. Then this damaged ball falls into the breech, then becoming the 1st ball. When this gets fired during the next shot, it normally explodes in the barrel, very close to the breech area.
What the Cure Bolt does is provide a ramped surface at the front of the bolt that pushes the 2nd ball more gently back up the feed tube and out of the way of the bolt. This helps to minimize the impact on the 2nd ball and hopefully prevent any damage to the ball that can lead to premature failure during firing.

On the Geo the overall bolt stroke has been increased to allow a ramped leading edge to the bolt, whilst still allowing a sealing element at the head of the bolt to reduce unwanted blow-back of air into the breech area and hence improve overall gas efficiency. The result is the SC (Spool-Cure) Bolt for the Geo.

S3 In-Line Regulator
The new S3 regulator has had a complete overhaul for the 2009 Model Line. The S3 Regulator allows more than double the air-flow of any previous Eclipse In-Line regulator. Flow has been increased through all major components from the adjuster through to the new piston. This increased flow rate helps the regulator provide even quicker recharge times than previous Eclipse regulators, but without jeopardising the reliability and simplicity of the design and maintenance. The S3 maintains the coil spring mechanism, and physically retained piston seal first seen on the SL range, but also incorporated a completely new feature:

For the first time in a regulator of this style, the design incorporates a self purging mechanism that prevents the marker storing a shot after the tank has been removed. A simple pressure-controlled poppet that is factory-installed into every S3 piston prevents up-stream air being retained in the marker after the tank has been removed.

Both the Geo and the Ego9 use unique Coil Springs in order for them to operate at the highest possible performance level at their required output pressure ranges without the possibility of damaging the markers specific Solenoid Valves.

LCD Display – One of the features most synonymous with Eclipse products has been the inclusion of the Heads-Up back-lit LCD display mounted down the back of the frame. This display gives the user instant visual access to the markers modes, operational condition and settings, and makes adjustment and monitoring of marker function on the fly a very simple task.

The back-lit transflective technology mean that the LCD display utilized in all Eclipse Products can be viewed both in the very brightest sunlit conditions, and pitch black conditions. Sunlight does not “wash out” the display, and does not make it illegible.

This ability to view the display in wide range of conditions, with the marker in a natural firing position, makes the built-in game timer, shot counter, ROF indicator and BBSS monitor useful tools that can really be used in-game without affecting your performance.

Dual Selectable Trigger Switching – There are two commonly available trigger switching mechanisms on markers today. Micro-switch – where the trigger acts against a lever-arm micro-switch to actuate the firing cycle. And Opto-switch – where the trigger is used to break an infrared beam to produce a contact-free operation.

Both systems have their pluses and minuses and it is often a purely personal preference as to which players prefer. Traditionally a marker comes fitted with either one switch type or the other, and a player is reliant on having to purchase an aftermarket board at a considerable cost in order to change from one type to the other.

However Eclipse believe that in a premium product the player should have the option to choose without the need for any further expenditure. Hence you will find both Opto and Micro switch options available on this board. The trigger and the software can be configured to operate off either of the switches. A completely contact-les set-up with no micro-switch actuation, or a crisply set-up “mouse-click” operation with micro selected. The choice is there. As standard.

Dual Trigger Return Mechanism – Like the trigger switching option, most modern markers offer either a magnetic return action or a spring return action. Again, here Eclipse excel by providing both systems as standard. Not only are there 3 separate external adjustments for trigger position and actuation point, but there are also separate Magnetic and Spring trigger return mechanisms. Either mechanism can be employed independently of the other to create either fully magnetic, or fully spring return. Or both mechanisms can be combined in an infinitely adjustable and variable system to produce a completely unique feel.

Whichever you choose, you can be assured that the trigger-action will be as smooth and as slop-free as is possible in a modern paintball marker. With the trigger clamped to a ground and hardened steel pivot pin that is suspended between widely spaced dual sealed instrument ball races there is no platform that could provide a more robust and durable base for a high-performance triggering mechanism.

Integrated Audible Sound Device – New for 2009 to the Eclipse Family is an integrated beeper on all circuit boards. But rather than just use the beeper for audible alarms on the Game Timer, the new beeper can also be configured to give audible confirmation of power up, power down and also button pushes.

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Specification

Weight – 860g/1.89lb Including 14” Shaft3 Barrel, Battery, Feed Tube, OOPS
Length – 517mm Including 14” Shaft3 Barrel
Height – 198mm
Width – 31mm

Operating Pressure – 110-135psi


Eclipse Geo-Specific Features

• Spool Valve Design
• Low Reciprocating Mass – Bolt 18g
• Low Pressure operation – 110-135psi
• Air Efficient – 1500+ shots from 68/45
• 1 Moving Internal Part
• Minimum Number of Dynamic Seals - 3
• ISCIS (Innovative Solenoid Controlled Isolation System) Mechanism
• VVC – Variable Volume Chamber adjustment
• SC (Spool-Cure) Bolt – helps eliminate 2nd ball clipping in the feed stack.
• 6-Second Strip Down – To remove and separate all internal Bolt components
• Tool-less Bolt removal – all internal bolt components removed without tools
• Very Low Weight – 860g inc. barrel, battery, OOPS etc


Eclipse Family Features

• BBBSS (Break Beam Sensor System)
• Black-On-White Transflective LCD Module
• Def-Tek Offset Feed
• C-Lever Clamping Feedneck
• Dual Selectable Trigger Switching – Opto and Micro Switches
• Dual Trigger Return Mechanisms – Spring and Magnetic Return
• Integrated Audible Beeper for Alarms and Actuations
• Capped and Uncapped Ramp Modes
• All Major Tournament Presets
• 9 Preset Debounce Modes
• 5-Point Adjustable Trigger
• T-Rail Mounting System
• OOPS – On/Off/Purge ASA System
• S3 Self-Purging In-Line Regulator
• 14” Shaft3 2-Piece 0.693” Barrel

shunut
10-06-2008, 07:43 AM
Eclipse Ego9

It seems quite hard to believe, but the Ego9 is the 5th Generation of Eclipse Ego. Few would have thought, back in 2004, that the first Eclipse Ego would have had such wide-spread and immediate impact across the globe as it has had. And yet here we are with the Ego9. The latest incarnation of the most popular tournament marker in the world.

The Eclipse Ego has always been built around the solid foundations of Reliability, Performance, Light-Weight and Simplicity. And the Ego9 is no exception. In fact, it is obvious from the outset that the ground-up re-working of the Ego platform that was required in the development of the Ego9 was undertaken with the sole purpose of improving on every one of those key areas. Reliability has been improved by removing potential weak areas of the previous design but without sacrificing any performance. In fact performance in almost every area has been increased substantially over the previous generation of Ego. And though there have been additions of new elements to items such as the S3 Self Purging In-Line Regulator and the body lengthened in order to incorporate a larger valve chamber, the weight of the marker has not increased by a single ounce over the outgoing model. It is clear that compromise was not a consideration in the design and implementation of the Ego9. And for that reason alone, it makes the Ego9 simply the best Ego ever.

Key Developments

Solenoid Valve
The Ego9 has brought along a completely new design philosophy for the key elements of the electro-pneumatic assembly. A completely new custom solenoid valve has been designed and engineered to give the absolute maximum performance possible from the rammer mechanism, but in a package that is both smaller and far simpler to maintain than any previous Ego solenoid valve.

The main difference from any previous generation Ego is that there are no longer any QEVs. But the only way it has been possible to remove the QEVs and yet still increase cyclic speed and performance, has been to design and produce a brand-new, bespoke solenoid valve, and mount it and port it directly into the rammer chamber. By designing the solenoid from the ground-up, rather than trying to shoe-horn in an off-the-shelf item, it has meant that we have been able to design the housing to both fit in as small and compact profile as possible, and also port the valve for the absolute maximum performance in terms or response time and flow rate. And because the valve is ported so close to the rammer chamber, the actual exhaust paths through the valve are larger, shorter and less convoluted than any of the previous generation QEVs. And we all know from experience that it is the exhaust paths that can have the most striking effect on rammer speed and efficiency.
There are also several other benefits of the new solenoid valve. For example, by designing it and mounting it in such a way there is no longer any need for hoses from the solenoid valve to the QEV block or ports. There is now just one hose (that has been increased in flow by 2.5 times over the original supply hose) that runs from the LPR Torpedo down to the new solenoid valve.

The new solenoid valve has also been designed to be very user-friendly and user serviceable. The same size hex key that removes the eye covers and the grips can also be used to remove and 100% strip-down the new valve. And with so-few components, trouble-shooting and repair (if it is ever needed!) could not be any easier.
And if all that wasn’t enough, the new solenoid valve not only operates with a 40% lower Wattage power coil, but because the speed of the rammer has been so significantly increased, the electronic Dwell setting required to achieve the same valve opening time has also been reduced. The new valve assembly really is a Win, Win, Win, Win scenario.

Off-Set Bores
Another first for the Eclipse Ego, the Ego9 utilizes Off-Set lower bores in order to solve a geometric conundrum that plagues the average stacked-tube marker. In previous Egos, and all other stacked tube markers, the upper (barrel and bolt) bore and lower (poppet valve and rammer) bores are separated by a fixed amount that is governed by a) the diameter of the barrel and threads and b) the diameter of the valve chamber. So what is the problem? Well, all the driving (accelerative and deccelerative) forces are tied to the centre-line, or axis, of the lower bore and specifically the rammer. However, there is a large mass, namely the bolt and pin, that is also tied to the rammer, but is in an orientation that is called “Off Axis”, meaning that the centre of mass of the bolt does not operate along the same axis as the rammer. When the rammer accelerates, the force acts on the bottom of the bolt pin, which in turn pushes the bolt forward. But because centre-line of the bolt is a distance from the centre-line of the rammer, it creates an Off-Axis load, which produces a twisting action on the bolt and pin. When the rammer comes to a stop, the same happens again. The rammer stops, but the bolt tries to carry on, but because it is connected to the rammer by the bottom of the pin, the bolt creates a twisting motion about the point the pin connects to the rammer. The result is that every time the bolt is accelerated or stopped (by hitting the valve or the rear bumped) the bolt tries to resist that action and creates a force that wants to tip the marker forward or backwards. These forces and actions are some of the contributing factors to what the user feels and interprets as Kick.

So what is different about the Ego9? To start with the valve chamber axis and the rammer chamber axis are no longer the same. By separating these 2 bores we have been able to move the rammer axis up in the body of the marker, closer to the bolt axis. By moving the 2 axis closer together, and joining the bolt and the rammer with a much shorter pin, the Off-Axis effect of the bolt on the rammer is greatly reduced. And as such, the feeling of kick bolt system is also reduced.

Not only that, but the constant drive of the Ego line to bring the grip-point, or heal of the hand up closer to the barrel axis has been further enhanced by moving the rammer axis up closer to the bolt and barrel. This raised grip position is a key element in giving every Ego that “point-ability” factor to the feel that players love about these markers

Larger Valve Chamber
For the last 4 years the Ego valve chamber has stayed roughly the same volume, and manipulation of the valve guide dimensions, solenoid valve and in-line regulator volume has allowed tweaking and refinement of the operating pressure of the gun. With the Ego9 a completely revised body layout has allowed the volume of the valve chamber to grow by approximately 30%. This larger valve chamber, combined with the higher rammer speeds afforded by the new solenoid assembly (see above) have meant that with the standard valve guide (same orifice dimensions as Ego7 and Ego8) the operating pressure has been dropped to an incredibly low 160psi at 290fps. This reduced operating pressure is well below any other previous Ego, and is in the kind of operating range that is normally associated with a Spool Valve type marker. The benefits of a reduced operating pressure? Quieter shot signature and reduced peak pressure behind the ball.

shunut
10-06-2008, 07:43 AM
Eclipse Features
Since the Launch of the Ego in late 2004 Eclipse have developed and integrated a range of features into their markers that have helped set them apart from the rest of the competition. All of the features listed below can now not-only be found in the Eclipse Ego range, but in the Eclipse Geo range as well.

Deftek Feed – The Deftek Offset Feed is a subtle yet brutally effective solution to an age-old problem. LBB, or Last Ball Bounce, is a phenomenon that plagues every vertical feed marker. Balls that are free-falling down the feed tube from the loader fall into the breech, trigger the Ball Detection system, and initiate the firing cycle. The ball then hits the bottom of the breech, bounces un-hindered off the bottom of the breech and back up the feed tube. In the time that the markers pneumatic system has taken to react to the firing signal and started to move the bolt, the ball is now half way back out of the breech. The bolt cycles forward and cuts or crushes the ball as it is half in and half out of the breech.

The Deftek feed combats this problem by stepping the incoming vertical feed tube a couple of millimetres to the side of the breech. Now as the free-falling ball enters the breech, it first contacts an angled portion of the breech that deflects the ball across the breech to the far wall. This action both absorbs energy from the falling ball, and deflects it in a direction that prevents it from bouncing back up the feed port. The ball falls and nestles into the breech, ready to be fired.



By utilizing the Deftek system it means that the firing cycle can be run with no delay in the electronics between a ball being detected by the breech sensor and the solenoid being actuated to fire the marker. There is no need for the system to wait for the ball to “settle” in the breech, and no need to wait in case the ball bounces in the breech. This makes cycle times as short, and as responsive as possible.

The Cure2 Bolt – The original Ego Cure bolt was developed to combat a very unique phenomena. Contrary to popular belief, it was not developed to prevent Ball Chopping (where a ball that is loading/falling into the breech is trapped between the bolt face and the feed/breech wall) but rather to reduce, and ultimately eliminate, breakages caused by the bolt “Clipping” the 2nd ball in the feed stack.

“2nd Ball Clipping” is primarily caused by part of the 2nd ball in the feed stack being forced down into the breech area by a force fed loader. As the bolt comes forward to fire the 1st ball in the stack it “clips” the bottom of the 2nd ball. This can lead to the 2nd ball becoming cracked or weakened, or even creating a pin-prick hole in the bottom of the ball. Then this damaged ball falls into the breech, then becoming the 1st ball. When this gets fired during the next shot, it normally explodes in the barrel, very close to the breech area.

What the Cure Bolt does is provide a ramped surface at the front of the bolt that pushes the 2nd ball more gently back up the feed tube and out of the way of the bolt. This helps to minimize the impact on the 2nd ball and hopefully prevent any damage to the ball that can lead to premature failure during firing.

In order to still provide excellent efficiency and zero blow-back into the breech, the Cure2 in the Ego9 also utilizes 2 seal elements that are suspended over grooved cuts in the bolt body. These suspended o-rings allow a perfect seal during the firing phase, but are allowed to “dip” out of the way of the 2nd ball to maximise the gently ramped upper surface.

In addition, the Cure2 offers Cupped and Profiled bolt head that completely eradicates ball roll-back into the face of the bolt. This feature ensures that the ball in the breech is always perfectly in line with ball stack above it in the feed tube. This further helps reduce the overlap of ball 1 and 2 in the breech and further reduces second ball clipping.

S3 In-Line Regulator
The new S3 regulator has had a complete overhaul for the 2009 Model Line. The S3 Regulator allows more than double the air-flow of any previous Eclipse In-Line regulator. Flow has been increased through all major components from the adjuster through to the new piston. This increased flow rate helps the regulator provide even quicker recharge times than previous Eclipse regulators, but without jeopardising the reliability and simplicity of the design and maintenance. The S3 maintains the coil spring mechanism, and physically retained piston seal first seen on the SL range, but also incorporated a completely new feature:

For the first time in a regulator of this style, the design incorporates a self purging mechanism that prevents the marker storing a shot after the tank has been removed. A simple pressure-controlled poppet that is factory-installed into every S3 piston prevents up-stream air being retained in the marker after the tank has been removed.

Both the Geo and the Ego9 use unique Coil Springs in order for them to operate at the highest possible performance level at their required output pressure ranges without the possibility of damaging the markers specific Solenoid Valves.

LCD Display – One of the features most synonymous with Eclipse products has been the inclusion of the Heads-Up back-lit LCD display mounted down the back of the frame. This display gives the user instant visual access to the markers modes, operational condition and settings, and makes adjustment and monitoring of marker function on the fly a very simple task.

The back-lit transflective technology mean that the LCD display utilized in all Eclipse Products can be viewed both in the very brightest sunlit conditions, and pitch black conditions. Sunlight does not “wash out” the display, and does not make it illegible.

This ability to view the display in wide range of conditions, with the marker in a natural firing position, makes the built-in game timer, shot counter, ROF indicator and BBSS monitor useful tools that can really be used in-game without affecting your performance.

Dual Selectable Trigger Switching – There are two commonly available trigger switching mechanisms on markers today. Micro-switch – where the trigger acts against a lever-arm micro-switch to actuate the firing cycle. And Opto-switch – where the trigger is used to break an infrared beam to produce a contact-free operation.

Both systems have their pluses and minuses and it is often a purely personal preference as to which players prefer. Traditionally a marker comes fitted with either one switch type or the other, and a player is reliant on having to purchase an aftermarket board at a considerable cost in order to change from one type to the other.
However Eclipse believe that in a premium product the player should have the option to choose without the need for any further expenditure. Hence you will find both Opto and Micro switch options available on this board. The trigger and the software can be configured to operate off either of the switches. A completely contact-les set-up with no micro-switch actuation, or a crisply set-up “mouse-click” operation with micro selected. The choice is there. As standard.

Dual Trigger Return Mechanism – Like the trigger switching option, most modern markers offer either a magnetic return action or a spring return action. Again, here Eclipse excel by providing both systems as standard. Not only are there 3 separate external adjustments for trigger position and actuation point, but there are also separate Magnetic and Spring trigger return mechanisms. Either mechanism can be employed independently of the other to create either fully magnetic, or fully spring return. Or both mechanisms can be combined in an infinitely adjustable and variable system to produce a completely unique feel.

Whichever you choose, you can be assured that the trigger-action will be as smooth and as slop-free as is possible in a modern paintball marker. With the trigger clamped to a ground and hardened steel pivot pin that is suspended between widely spaced dual sealed instrument ball races there is no platform that could provide a more robust and durable base for a high-performance triggering mechanism.

Integrated Audible Sound Device – New for 2009 to the Eclipse Family is an integrated beeper on all circuit boards. But rather than just use the beeper for audible alarms on the Game Timer, the new beeper can also be configured to give audible confirmation of power up, power down and also button pushes.

Specification

Weight – 906g/1.99lb Including 14” Shaft3 Barrel, Battery, Feed Tube, OOPS
Length – 531mm Including 14” Shaft3 Barrel
Height – 208mm
Width – 26mm

Operating Pressure – 160psi @ 290fps


Eclipse Ego9-Specifiec Features

• Poppet Valve Design
• Off-Set Lower Bores – Reduces off-axis forces
• Low Pressure operation – 160psi @ 290fps
• Air Efficient – 1700+ shots from 68/45
• Ultra High Performance Solenoid Valve
• Direct Porting System for Solenoid Inlet and Exhaust Pathways
• 2.5 x Larger Air Flow from LPR to Solenoid
• Zick Rammer Assembly
• 30% Increase in Valve Chamber Volume
• Cure2 Bolt
• Integrated LPR Assembly

Eclipse Family Features

• BBSS (Break Beam Sensor System)
• Black-On-White Transflective LCD Module
• Def-Tek Offset Feed
• C-Lever Clamping Feedneck
• Dual Selectable Trigger Switching – Opto and Micro Switches
• Dual Trigger Return Mechanisms – Spring and Magnetic Return
• Integrated Audible Beeper for Alarms and Actuations
• Capped and Uncapped Ramp Modes
• All Major Tournament Presets
• 9 Preset Debounce Modes
• 5-Point Adjustable Trigger
• T-Rail Mounting System
• OOPS – On/Off/Purge ASA System
• S3 Self-Purging In-Line Regulator
• 14” Shaft3 2-Piece 0.693” Barrel

bigred76
10-06-2008, 08:35 AM
Very interesting... I guess the Geo is being introduced in order to compete with MacDev's Droid and DYE's DM series.

DFSniper
10-06-2008, 08:50 AM
clever play on names, throwing letters around like that.

xsvly-fat
10-06-2008, 12:17 PM
Huh I wonder how much the Geo will cost

bigred76
10-06-2008, 12:23 PM
$1250 MSRP for both.

STRIKEFIRST
10-06-2008, 12:54 PM
wouldn't mind fingering that GEO

nastystankweed
10-06-2008, 02:01 PM
Cool I really like the GEO but im kind of dissapointed with the egos looks. I dont like the huge eye covers and milling.

Doesnt the GEO kind of look like a g3?

DFSniper
10-06-2008, 02:29 PM
what happened to the pic?

shunut
10-06-2008, 03:18 PM
What pic?

DFSniper
10-06-2008, 03:39 PM
i could see it fine at school, but at home it wont show up in FF or IE...

edit: hmm, now it works... i blame it on vikes gremlins!

xsvly-fat
10-06-2008, 04:25 PM
Cool I really like the GEO but im kind of dissapointed with the egos looks. I dont like the huge eye covers and milling.

Doesnt the GEO kind of look like a g3?

I agree they made the eye covers kinda big and the GEO does look like a milled G3

TheDarkShadow
10-06-2008, 05:35 PM
clever play on names, throwing letters around like that.

I noticed that too, hmmm the trigger frame on the geo sits too far back imo. not a huge fan of the trigger guard on the ego

nastystankweed
10-06-2008, 06:24 PM
Both of the guns are super tacky I look at the geo now and OI even think thats ugly now. Im disappointed with eclipse Ive bought alot of their products(ego7,sl74,sl8r) and I think all of their previous models look far better. I hope the performance makes up for the looks.

Looking at the geo I would rather buy a dye gun, this is eclipses first spool meanwhile dyes been making spools for 6 years, but we dont know what it performs like.

DFSniper
10-06-2008, 06:26 PM
Looking at the geo I would rather buy a dye gun, this is eclipses first spool meanwhile dyes been making spools for 6 years, but we dont know what it performs like.
agreed, and yet we'll still get the same PE fanboy hype. remind me to stay out of the news section of PBN for a while...

Ace24
10-06-2008, 06:49 PM
Air Efficient 1500+ shots from 68/45
Lol...

Seems like a similar dump valve system as the G3. :shrug: We'll see.

Not very impressed so far.

HelpDeskHustler
10-07-2008, 12:12 AM
clever play on names, throwing letters around like that.

lol i totally hadn't noticed that, i was busy thinking of those gay cars. BTW both are hot, minus the trigger gaurds. 1200 is still too steep for me to get back into semi for either.

Muddytaco
10-07-2008, 03:06 PM
Video of Geo:

http://www.spirit-of-paint.tv/PlanetEclipseGeo/

TheDarkShadow
10-07-2008, 03:12 PM
Mike from techpb has a vid that he is talking to jack woods about the 2 guns

Team Ramrod
10-07-2008, 04:37 PM
so it wasn't just an illusion from the angle of the pics! going off the vid those barrels are FRIGGIN HUGE!

xsvly-fat
10-07-2008, 07:52 PM
Good find, it looks like it doesn't have alot of kick, it'll be interesting to see how it compares to the 09 Ego

DRAGON
10-07-2008, 08:36 PM
Appears as though someone at Eclipse failed to use spell check and now it's a GEO. The name phales, reminds me of a little cheap car with the same name -

DFSniper
10-08-2008, 03:16 AM
i was thinking the same. when someone posted it on PBN, i just saw the "geo" and thought it was a chinese rip-off of the ego...

shunut
10-08-2008, 06:22 AM
Mike from techpb has a vid that he is talking to jack woods about the 2 guns

Mike is an idiot and lost any respect with his attacks on PbN.

Muddytaco
10-08-2008, 02:01 PM
Mike is an idiot and lost any respect with his attacks on PbN.


YaY! somebody agrees with me, also his constant use of the f-word in his videos, that makes you cool......in the 4th grade:p ........Class A D-bag IMO.


On another note here is what the internals of geo look like:

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/xluben211/GEO%20Pics/parts2.jpg

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/xluben211/GEO%20Pics/all2.jpg

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/xluben211/GEO%20Pics/bolt2.jpg



I will hold off my opinion till I get my hands on one to try but looking at the pics it looks unbalanced with the frame so far back and internal design doesn't exactly seem to be high end......right now I am doubting it is worth the price.

Ace24
10-08-2008, 02:17 PM
Once again, reminds me of a G3/Thresh level marker. Similar dump valve system too.

Once again, Eclipse manages to make something, that another company had, overpriced! Yay!

If I got one, I'd put "Metro" next to the name. :D

xsvly-fat
10-08-2008, 03:19 PM
Found some pictures of the GEO and 09, they do look kinda nice

http://pbwarehouse.net/geo.html
http://pbwarehouse.net/ego9.html

HelpDeskHustler
10-08-2008, 04:41 PM
That looks dead on like the deadlywind hollowpoint ion bolt.
http://store.deadlywind.com/images/productimages/bolts/IONHPV6-kit1-450w.jpg

Ace24
10-08-2008, 04:51 PM
That looks dead on like the deadlywind hollowpoint ion bolt.
http://store.deadlywind.com/images/productimages/bolts/IONHPV6-kit1-450w.jpg

Whoa it does. I thought I saw that bolt system somewhere before... thought it was the G3... guess not haha.

Interesting... wonder if DW will do the SP thing haha.

HelpDeskHustler
10-08-2008, 05:01 PM
The copyleftist is tired of hearing this and that about intellectual property theft.

I hate to say this because it's overused and inaccurately applied to everything, but this IS an ion, had it been made right, and by a company targeting the high end market. I know the luxe this, the luxe that and how it's literally an ion design, but that bolt system is flawed, this system is best.

Ace24
10-08-2008, 06:56 PM
Lol... A 1200 shots off a 68/4500 fill ION... No thanks.

I hope they revise that because that's terrible even with the markers that just came out. Doesn't the Luxe even get more then that?

HelpDeskHustler
10-09-2008, 09:47 AM
reps say "same efficiency and consistancy as an ego"

nastystankweed
10-09-2008, 11:15 AM
Does anyone notice that there appears to be something missing on the GEO


LPR anyone?

Im super dissapointed in Eclipse expected way more from them the guns look ugly and now the GEO seems to have a pretty lame bolt system. Il keep my SL and my PM. Still dont know what its like though.

HelpDeskHustler
10-09-2008, 05:57 PM
Does anyone notice that there appears to be something missing on the GEO


LPR anyone?

Im super dissapointed in Eclipse expected way more from them the guns look ugly and now the GEO seems to have a pretty lame bolt system. Il keep my SL and my PM. Still dont know what its like though.

the ion, the eos, the epiphany and the luxe all don't have LPR's, it's just a good design. IMO this gun is awesome, aside from that price.

shunut
10-10-2008, 06:06 AM
YaY! somebody agrees with me, also his constant use of the f-word in his videos, that makes you cool......in the 4th grade:p ........Class A D-bag IMO.

My point exactly. How can you respect or take anybody seriously who feels the need to use the language he uses and feels it necessary to spam PbN with porn all the time.


Back to the markers, the Geo is ruffling feathers. Reported posts in the Eclipse section has gone up about 300% since the opening of the Geo section. Sucks for me since I'm a mod in the Eclipse section.

vikingshadow
10-10-2008, 08:10 AM
the ion, the eos, the epiphany and the luxe all don't have LPR's, it's just a good design. IMO this gun is awesome, aside from that price.

Neither does the PMR or the Shocker. But, according to those EXPERTS on PBN, that makes them crappy markers.

It's funny when a company like PE and MacDev do the same thing, all of a sudden it's such a wonderful innovation...

Mike is an idiot and lost any respect with his attacks on PbN.
YaY! somebody agrees with me, also his constant use of the f-word in his videos, that makes you cool......in the 4th grade:p ........Class A D-bag IMO.
My point exactly. How can you respect or take anybody seriously who feels the need to use the language he uses and feels it necessary to spam PbN with porn all the time.
What's sad is I went looking for his videos with the hopes that it would be a great thing - when I found them, I was so put off by the language and the attitude, I totally stopped caring. I totally agree with you guys now - and his "justification" for speaking and acting the way he does was so far out in left field and so warped, it's not even funny. "People are going to talk that way anyways, so why not?"

"Sorry, officer, people are going to drink and drive and kill people anyways, so why not?"

"I'm a lemming and I just follow the pack..."

"Although the majority of the people I "teach" are children, I'll speak however the *poof* *poof* *poof* I *poofing* *poof* *poof* want to." Real grown up, huh?

What's funny was that Tyger was doing the same thing he's doing, and doing it BETTER, but no one gave him the respect he deserved after a few years - but they have plentyl for the D-bag (as Taco called him).

Enough of that, though. Gotta hold back from saying too much. Don't what his fans to get upset! :p

Back to the markers, the Geo is ruffling feathers. Reported posts in the Eclipse section has gone up about 300% since the opening of the Geo section. Sucks for me since I'm a mod in the Eclipse section.

What are they complaining about?

Ace24
10-10-2008, 08:32 AM
What's funny was that Tyger was doing the same thing he's doing, and doing it BETTER, but no one gave him the respect he deserved after a few years - but they have plenty for the D-bag (as Taco called him).

I have to agree fully. I was actually thinking the same thing, reading through this thread. I've just heard people dissrespect Rob (Tyger) Rubin, calling him an ******* among other things, and I don't understand it. Yet people are like "Mike is so right, leike ohh maiii gawdd. *poof poof poof*"

I wish Tyger would update with more videos. :cry:

TheDarkShadow
10-10-2008, 06:51 PM
jeez people, i didnt want this to turn into a techpb thread. I was just trying to let people know, that jack wood is talking about his product over the phone (Mike just happens to be the guy that called him)

shunut
10-10-2008, 07:44 PM
What are they complaining about?

Everything, mainly "Which is better, the Geo or the Ego8/9/SL74/SL8R?"

Which nobody really knows besides the Eclipse employees because it hasn't hit the store yet. That and VS threads are not allowed. Then you got your DM lovers coming in and flaming the new Eclipse spooly.

vikingshadow
10-11-2008, 04:18 AM
Oh, so business as usual over there, then! ;)

shunut
10-11-2008, 11:38 AM
Its actually been quite lately, not many reported posts or problems. Up until the release of the Geo.

nastystankweed
10-11-2008, 12:00 PM
Sorry guys but I think having an lpr is a good thing. Think about it you can lower ur guns pressure lower and more exact. Less operating pressure more consistency. Imo lpr FTW no lpr FTL.

HelpDeskHustler
10-11-2008, 09:28 PM
Sorry guys but I think having an lpr is a good thing. Think about it you can lower ur guns pressure lower and more exact. Less operating pressure more consistency. Imo lpr FTW no lpr FTL.

SIMPLICITY. I hated having to tun my LPR and my HPR because it deterred me from cleaning the LPR. Not having an LPR on the PMR was a mistake because they tried to compensate with their **** bolt system that hated paint and leaked like a *****. LPR's are out. Properly pressure ratioed designs are in.

shunut
10-12-2008, 09:35 AM
jeez people, i didnt want this to turn into a techpb thread. I was just trying to let people know, that jack wood is talking about his product over the phone (Mike just happens to be the guy that called him)


I talk to Jack Wood and Nicky T on a daily basis, not really a big deal for me.

TheDarkShadow
10-12-2008, 09:43 AM
I talk to Jack Wood and Nicky T on a daily basis, not really a big deal for me.

we're not all PBN PE Mods, so some of us dont get that chance

nastystankweed
10-12-2008, 03:44 PM
SIMPLICITY. I hated having to tun my LPR and my HPR because it deterred me from cleaning the LPR. Not having an LPR on the PMR was a mistake because they tried to compensate with their **** bolt system that hated paint and leaked like a *****. LPR's are out. Properly pressure ratioed designs are in.

I'm sorry but I completely dissagree. You dont have to clean your lpr every weekend. Also I would much rather have a better, more consistent and in my expirience smoother shooting gun then SIMPLICITY. Heck who cares if it takes some time to tune you tune it once and youre good. LPR FTW

vikingshadow
10-12-2008, 04:01 PM
Meh, I've shot guns with LPRs and guns without them. Personally, I can't tell a difference between them. When I shot my Shocker, I had no issues with the gun being to hard on paint. Never have had a problem with my PMR right now either, which doesn't have an LPR.

If anything, it's just one less thing to mess with, and if there's a way to get rid of them, why not?

HelpDeskHustler
10-12-2008, 09:18 PM
I'm sorry but I completely dissagree. You dont have to clean your lpr every weekend. Also I would much rather have a better, more consistent and in my expirience smoother shooting gun then SIMPLICITY. Heck who cares if it takes some time to tune you tune it once and youre good. LPR FTW

I have only 2 words, that when seriously considered would REALLY, REALLY make you change your view:

"Play Xball"

I don't play xball, but that's really an extreme case. If i have a problem at the field, I don't want to be out for a hour making my gun shoot smoothly. I don't have a chrono at home, so I can't tinker there. I need it to go from untweaked to tweaked in seconds not minutes. Besides, a well designed marker can function without an LPR by using balanced pressure systems by decreasing area on the LPR affected spot, It's not like you're loosing much "smoothness"


I think i should make it clear that the EGO, does need an LPR, the geo however, due to it's designed nature will never be dramtically effected by an LPR

bigred76
10-12-2008, 10:47 PM
Stank, in this case HDH is right. Because of it's low operating pressure from it's HPR (100-150psi), it does not need an LPR. Your Proto, on the other hand, benefits more from the LPR so thus they put one on it.

timmyshoota
10-13-2008, 03:41 PM
I think i should make it clear that the EGO, does need an LPR, the geo however, due to it's designed nature will never be dramtically effected by an LPR

Just like shockers, there's almost no effect on them with LPRs.

HelpDeskHustler
10-13-2008, 08:56 PM
The difference couldn't be more polar, because the pressure of a solenoid on an EGO style gun would be prone to differences in pressure because it hits a constant valve. In the GEO, however the solenoid controlled pressure is simply holding back the bolt until it's fired, releasing the equal pressure and causing an unbalanced system, making the bolt shoot forward. A LPR should not be used unless the surface areas of the front and rear portion of the bolt is different, and if they were you'd only need to adjust it one time.