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battlechaser
08-02-2008, 03:58 PM
Just for those who are interested, Mike and the TechPB clan have started to upload the extensive Supergun show. From what I see, the entire LUXE show, and part of the NXT Shocker are up right now.

Paradox313
08-02-2008, 04:25 PM
Bah, he's just saying what we already know. They're expensive guns and they will do their job.
Oh yeah, it comes with a clamping feedneck, best gun in the world.:dodgy:

That seems to be his pitch in every "review" that he does. Anybody notice that? If it doesn't have a clamping feedneck, worst gun ever made. If it does, best gun ever made, go buy it.

TheDarkShadow
08-02-2008, 04:31 PM
That seems to be his pitch in every "review" that he does. Anybody notice that? If it doesn't have a clamping feedneck, worst gun ever made. If it does, best gun ever made, go buy it.

smart parts just pisses him off, he did like the SLG and that didn't have a clamping feedneck

Paradox313
08-02-2008, 04:33 PM
I'm talking about mid-end to higher end markers.

DRAGON
08-02-2008, 04:36 PM
...........That seems to be his pitch in every "review" that he does. Anybody notice that? If it doesn't have a clamping feedneck, worst gun ever made. If it does, best gun ever made, go buy it.

Are you saying he's a tool? :questionicon: I beleive it :thumbdown: -

TheDarkShadow
08-02-2008, 04:55 PM
honestly if you pay $600 for a marker shouldn't it have a clamping feedneck?

battlechaser
08-02-2008, 05:00 PM
Whoa, I didn't mean for it to turn into a whole discussion, but oh well. Love him or hate him, it's up, Vice, and Angel A1 are up now too.

EDIT: The TPB website preview is also up (supposed to be taken down in an hour)

vikingshadow
08-02-2008, 05:13 PM
I realize this isn't what the thread is about, and honestly have been dreading the day that he becomes a topic here. I don't want to turn this into what was happening in the other forum...

BUT...

I don't care for him anymore. Not since he went on his rants and his "I'm greater than PBN, oops! I mean, TECHPB is greater than PBN," attitude.

I really used to like watching him, but honestly, his rants and F bombs every 5 seconds turned me off. I was watching one of his shows one day and my kids were in the room. Before I could shut it off, he let loose with about 5 of them in a row and the look on my kid's faces ended my viewing of him forever. I honestly couldn't in good concious tell them he was wrong in saying those things, and then continue to watch him. They asked if it were something I didn't already know, and I had to say - nope, I knew everything he was saying, and some of which he said was incorrect. So, no more Mike for me.

By the way, although all the kiddos over at the nation and his fanboys say he's revolutionary and taking paintball to a whole new level, does noone realize he's not doing anything different than what Tyger used to do? Except he's less fun to watch. Oh, and psychotic.

Sorry - continue with your thread.

battlechaser
08-02-2008, 05:26 PM
I mostly watch for the info he gives, alot of it is very good, you just have to sift through some of the opinions. That's about as far as I want to go with that. I'll continue to update as things appear, unless anyone has any objections.

I'm sure those of our moderating friends would like to avoid a flame war, and I would prefer to avoid being at the center of one.

TheDarkShadow
08-02-2008, 05:28 PM
I will agree on some things
-The power/fame/what-ever-the-hell-you-want-to-call-it is starting to go to his head
-all the swearing is unnecessary

But...
-I think he is trying to help the sport (for instance sending an apology to the family of the baby that got shot by a paintball)
-although biased at times gives good reviews
-shows people how to maintain markers and regs
- he is showing things that vets know but I know nothing about gun/reg maintainance past spyder

I'm with battlechaser on this

SpyderMan723
08-02-2008, 05:37 PM
I think mike is a big help to the PB industry.. and about the swearing...we're all human, we've all said some bad words, and continue to say them... I'm one of them.. I'll use whatever swear word I can think of in any sentence at all.. even if its about like....coco puffs.. some people tend to say them more frequently, some dont say them at all.. end o story

vikingshadow
08-02-2008, 07:32 PM
Not end o story. I'm sorry, but as an adult who works with kids every day, and understanding who he's gearing his videos towards (children) I find his swearing repulsive and choice of swear words repugnant. I could care less what he (or you or anyone else) says in a sentence to me or anyone else when we're just interacting as friends or whatever, but when he puts it on video and plays it off as "trying to help the world", it's just all show and appeals to the immaturity in people.

A grown man who is trying to help the industry ought to have enough sense to realize who his audience is and speak as if he were actually trying to help, not as if he were trying to suck in a bunch of children who's parents aren't home at the moment. It shows that he has a serious lack of vocabulary, among other things.

Sure, lots of people swear. I have been known in the past to make sailors blush. But, on video in front of apparently 10,000 subscribers? Wrong time, wrong place for it. As a 30 year old man, he should know better.

I'm not trying to sway anyone one way or the other about him. In fact, this is my last post in this thread other than if it gets out of control. But don't tell me that swearing is "human" and that it's perfectly ok to do - especially to children. I just don't buy it.

SpyderMan723
08-02-2008, 07:53 PM
techpb is definitely not a good thing to discuss anywhere..

vike>techpb

<3

battlechaser
08-02-2008, 07:56 PM
This is kind of what I was afraid of. Note to self, don't piss off Vike. :p

SpyderMan723
08-02-2008, 08:02 PM
This is kind of what I was afraid of. Note to self, don't piss off Vike. :p

:yeahthat:

VikePb ftw ;)

vikingshadow
08-02-2008, 08:05 PM
Oh, I'm not pissed! Just fiesty. :devil:

There are some things I'm pretty touchy about, and kids (from babies up to teenagers) are a big part of my life. You know, you're right. It's pretty sad that there are certain things that just can't be discussed.

My own note to self - add techpb to list of things NOT to be discussed in public. Along with music, politics and religion! :)

SpyderMan723
08-02-2008, 08:15 PM
My own note to self - add techpb to list of things NOT to be discussed in public. Along with music, politics and religion! :)

good man ;)

now whats that saying about opinions???:rolleyes:

vikingshadow
08-02-2008, 08:20 PM
They're like backsides. Everyone has one and they all stink!

TheDarkShadow
08-03-2008, 08:08 AM
They're like backsides. Everyone has one and they all stink!

not mine :dodgy:

battlechaser
08-03-2008, 08:14 AM
They're like backsides. Everyone has one and they all stink!

I thought about saying that.. but I don't have a ban stick to defend myself with.. :p

vikingshadow
08-03-2008, 09:46 AM
stick - pssh. I have the ban cannon AND a ban kittah...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/vikingshadow/Cannon.jpg

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-pictures-kitten-kicks-you-out.jpg

battlechaser
08-03-2008, 09:56 AM
stick - pssh. I have the ban cannon AND a ban kittah...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/vikingshadow/Cannon.jpg

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-pictures-kitten-kicks-you-out.jpg

Oh the differences between SOC and PBN, at PBN they spank you, here we beat you in the face with a large lump of lead, then allow one of the worlds cutest/cuddliest creatures escort you to the door.

vikingshadow
08-03-2008, 10:57 AM
hehehe! That's why we're classy, and they're like the bar in the alley. No rif-raf here!

battlechaser
08-03-2008, 11:29 AM
It's nice how even the most heated discussions over here always return to cannons and kittehs... :)

LostCause
08-03-2008, 11:44 AM
i <3 kittehs

SpyderMan723
08-03-2008, 02:09 PM
I eet kittehs :hungry:

Muddytaco
08-03-2008, 02:40 PM
Back on topic........I will just say no comment, don't want to ban myself:D

STRIKEFIRST
08-03-2008, 06:30 PM
I wonder if he'd kiss his mother with that mouth?

LostCause
08-04-2008, 07:10 AM
mike old shows arestill way better then his new ones........he has a huge ego

The Pumper
08-04-2008, 07:58 AM
Hes too out of control.
Plus they are boring.

Hes a failure.

nastystankweed
08-04-2008, 08:03 AM
Yes he does have a hhhhuuuuggggeee ego. its not worth watching his reviews he sais everything is great and its almost as if he cant say anything bad about them. His conclusions are "if you got the money go and get it".

I am supremely dissapointed in his recent reviews specially the luxe one. I have gotten lots of hands on time with one and I think that it is irrely similar to the shocker. I also must say that its very loud and not a very smooth shooting gun for 1600 dollars. Yes its very innovatve but, the maxflow is a total dud. It scares me to think that it doesnt have a bottle regulator and that it could come loose. Like mike said in the review its very uncomfortable because of the fill niple. the frame feels fat and uncomfortabe compared to the UL frame and the reg is awkwardley placed toooooo far infront of the trigger guard. The reg is also very short and fat and is not the most comfortable thing to hold on to. I also disspise the styling it is super tacky and ugly they put way to much chrome on the guns and their is a fake diamond on their barrel( could you not het more tacky). On the pluss side it is very nice to remove the bolt that easily and the eye covers, but it shoots like a shocker and that doesnt sitt well in my books. The board is also pretty good but, I encountered difficulty triyng to hear that voice over at the field.

irishwarrior
08-04-2008, 09:40 AM
its not worth watching his reviews he sais everything is great and its almost as if he cant say anything bad about them.

Reminds me of someone over at American Idol :rolleyes:

LostCause
08-04-2008, 10:16 AM
paula? :P

HelpDeskHustler
08-04-2008, 10:38 AM
Eh, it's nice to see SOMETHING paintball related that doesn't make you want to hurt kittens.

On a side note, the fact that you guys are talking about american idol makes me think lesser of you.

vikingshadow
08-04-2008, 12:19 PM
That's just it though. Watching him would make someone who knows anything about paintball commit genocide on the poor little kittens....

HelpDeskHustler
08-04-2008, 12:58 PM
I meant video wise. It's a big step up from that kid getting shot in the head and falling over, the fat kid on the rock being shot at while he doesn't have a mask on or dumb kids trying to walk a trigger.

EDIT: Just got done watching. LMAO vice got 14 pods on 4000psi/68ci fill for efficiency test, A1 and luxe each got 9.

LOLOLOL

vikingshadow
08-04-2008, 01:43 PM
Ah, I see. I agree with that - I do get tired of seeing "Look how fast I can ramp" videos....even though I've made a couple myself! :D

irishwarrior
08-04-2008, 02:31 PM
I just saw his Luxe vid and he didn't even know what a drop-forward was called. I agree with Vike, serious lack of vocabulary.

TheDarkShadow
08-04-2008, 02:55 PM
I just saw his Luxe vid and he didn't even know what a drop-forward was called. I agree with Vike, serious lack of vocabulary.

he knows what it is, but at times he has a "brain fart", he has said in another vid, he does the videos in one take.

Master Tech
08-04-2008, 03:24 PM
The problem with this guy is he's way to opinionated and he loves hearing himself talk that he misses the whole point of making a valid review. He focuses too much on what he would do differently on the marker for his own personal reasons that he fails to recognize what the target consumer the manufacturer designed and built his subject marker for.

If he was a real technician and actually knew more than ranting or raving about the aesthetics of a marker he should concentrate more on how to help players out that already have the marker. Basic maintenance, repairs, upgrades or anything that will help improve the performance or configure the marker to the players playing needs.

Anyone can talk about anything and have there own personal agenda on a product for whatever reason they may have but its difficult to do it in a responsible and taseful manner that does not appear biased or preconceived...

especiialypsycho
08-04-2008, 03:50 PM
:yeahthat: and me being a younger baller, i could really use help as stated above

LostCause
08-04-2008, 04:24 PM
haha, dont worry about being new, i know more about paintball (and fix some guns for friends) then my friends who have been playing much longer

TheDarkShadow
08-04-2008, 04:54 PM
The problem with this guy is he's way to opinionated and he loves hearing himself talk that he misses the whole point of making a valid review. He focuses too much on what he would do differently on the marker for his own personal reasons that he fails to recognize what the target consumer the manufacturer designed and built his subject marker for.

If he was a real technician and actually knew more than ranting or raving about the aesthetics of a marker he should concentrate more on how to help players out that already have the marker. Basic maintenance, repairs, upgrades or anything that will help improve the performance or configure the marker to the players playing needs.

Anyone can talk about anything and have there own personal agenda on a product for whatever reason they may have but its difficult to do it in a responsible and taseful manner that does not appear biased or preconceived...

He is biased but, If you think you could do better reviews on all those markers, then do it. Or if you can find better and more thorough reviews then post'em up, but I haven't seen any that are better than his

:yeahthat: and me being a younger baller, i could really use help as stated above


He has videos that will help newer players

vikingshadow
08-04-2008, 05:23 PM
Edited because I tire of this techpb is god garbage...

In my opinion, a much better resource without having to muck through the stuff for the newer player is webdog radio. Tyger is very patient and explains things in great detail. I used a lot of Tyger's videos when I first started. And he's actually funny. Of course, his videos aren't aimed at a younger sort by using language and attitude, and with the intention of getting them away from PBN that Mike aims for, and are a bit older - but anyone who goes into it unbiased will definitely see the difference.

Edit - here ya go! http://webdog.specialopspaintball.com/video/

SharpObjects
08-04-2008, 05:25 PM
Mike's videos are great. If you say he is biased, then maybe you should watch his video about him talking about his being biased.

And isn't a review supposed to cover aesthetics and taking it apart and putting it back together? He is a tech, his videos help many players, newbies and older players alike. The fact that he covers efficiency like he does is amazing.

So he is opinionated and talks a lot. What else is he going to do for ten minutes? Opinions make the world go around, thats what most reviews are, opinions. At least they are detailed.

He deserves some respect. Maybe if you met him in person, or actually played a game with him in Tampa.
Oh wow, the F-bomb, it's his videos and if he wants to, he can. It's the internet for crying out loud and no one will make you watch them. But I will continue to support him.

techpb ftw

TheDarkShadow
08-04-2008, 05:47 PM
Edited because I tire of this techpb is god garbage...

In my opinion, a much better resource without having to muck through the stuff for the newer player is webdog radio. Tyger is very patient and explains things in great detail. I used a lot of Tyger's videos when I first started. And he's actually funny. Of course, his videos aren't aimed at a younger sort by using language and attitude, and with the intention of getting them away from PBN that Mike aims for, and are a bit older - but anyone who goes into it unbiased will definitely see the difference.

Edit - here ya go! http://webdog.specialopspaintball.com/video/

you have very good reviews Vike, but when it comes to reading, (especially during summer) I am lazy and mike's vids are a quick and easy way to see a decent review

those are pretty good and informational vids

irishwarrior
08-04-2008, 06:21 PM
he knows what it is, but at times he has a "brain fart", he has said in another vid, he does the videos in one take.

Oh, ok. I didn't realize he did only one take. I would probably have plenty of brain farts as well in that case :D

Master Tech
08-05-2008, 08:22 AM
It is possible to make a review on products and have your opinion on it without bashing it.

Read up on some of Dave Araki's reviews on Splat magazine and if you're too lazy to read they've switched over as a web magazine on Splatxd.com there's also Dave Norman from APG, Dave Rotunda from PSM, Carl Hamer from FaceFull just to name a few and none of these guys ever place the product being reviewed into a "versus" rant...

If that is what a review is going to be based on then it is no better than just asking any player what equipment they personally prefer. It is no longer a review then, it is merely a comparison of products.

vikingshadow
08-05-2008, 08:56 AM
^^^Exactly correct. A real review speaks ONLY of the gun being reviewed. What qualities and faults it has and how it uses what it has. There can be a little comparison, so long as it's done within the same family (DM7 to DM8 - but not a Bob Long Vice to a Smart Parts Shocker. Two entirely different guns with different operations - this becomes biasness and a bad review, IMO.)

A REVIEW should never be an OPINION. Certainly, at the end of the review, add an opinion, so long as it's stated as such, but acknowledge that it is purely biasness and opinionated and understand that people aren't "f'ing idiots" for liking something else.

Mike's videos are great. If you say he is biased, then maybe you should watch his video about him talking about his being biased.

I did watch it, and as usual he made no sense. Basically he said, "Of course I'm opinionated. Get over it because I know what I'm talking about."

He deserves some respect. Maybe if you met him in person, or actually played a game with him in Tampa.

He deserves just as much as any other person. No more, no less. However, he's got to earn it, same as the rest of us - and to be honest there are a lot more people who he annoys the crap out of than there are who like him. Sure, maybe IF I met him in person, and IF I could actually play a game with him in Tampa, or heaven forbid since we're being absurd, he could go to EVERYONE'S field and play, I might like him and learn to appreciate what he has to offer. But, we all know it doesn't happen that way, and it's just not that easily. So we all have to live by the impression we give over the internet.

Oh wow, the F-bomb, it's his videos and if he wants to, he can. It's the internet for crying out loud and no one will make you watch them. But I will continue to support him.

techpb ftw

:rolleyes: Wouldn't that be counteractive to what he's trying to accomplish? Simply stopping the ranting and cursing would bring in a LOT more people - and people would be more likely to listen with an open mind and appreciate his opinion and listen to him.

Good for you. Everyone needs someone to look up to. No one should dictate who someone else should like, for whatever reason. (Notice the twist, here!) That includes people who are trying to convince others to look up to Mike, as well.

VicReschke0626
08-05-2008, 09:21 AM
His videos are no more informative than if any other uneducated, experienced, opinionated, vulgar veteran player took their web cam and blabbed on about guns for a long time.

His videos have only ever shown me things I already knew. Like one of the reasons I'm looking into buying a Vice, air efficiency. I knew they got good efficiency, his Super Gun show just showed it in actual pods.

Personally, I rarely waste my time watching vulgar, opinionated videos that tell me things I already knew.

HelpDeskHustler
08-05-2008, 09:23 AM
For the record, Mike has no idea what the word biased means.

bigred76
08-05-2008, 09:54 AM
Can we just cut the crap and lock the thread already? Mike is a self-admitted biased "person" (not goin' to throw around words there, because I lack my thesaurus at the moment to try to come up with a good one), and many do not like him for it. Many others like him for exactly those reasons. That's the end of it. Period. Done. No more.

HelpDeskHustler
08-05-2008, 10:43 AM
All hail tim, self appointed mod of the internets.

:dodgy:

There's no fighting words here tim, we're just discussing tech pb like gents, why should we close the topic just because it's a little taboo, we're all mature enough for a little discussion, right?

SpyderMan723
08-05-2008, 10:57 AM
:yeahthat:

especiialypsycho
08-05-2008, 11:01 AM
we're all mature enough for a little discussion, right?

Id hope so :D :D :D :dodgy:

bigred76
08-05-2008, 11:05 AM
Sorry, I just hate worthless chat about worthless people. I feel that's PBN'S ST territory, not stuff we of the higher minded SOC forums should stoop to.

vikingshadow
08-05-2008, 11:45 AM
The only reason I've left it open is because it is taboo over on PBN and not allowed to be spoken of there, however, if and when it boils over, it's going to become a Pooffest all over again. May as well clear the air while it's here. Hopefully, it'll never pop up anywhere else on this forum again.

Also, this discussion has been somewhat civil and mature so far. While I agree it's below our standards, I have been an active participant, which I plan to stop as of this post. :D

However, it's only right that when people post about him making a new video (again) we should allow those that don't like him to post just as much as those who do post. If you understand what I said right there - kind of in the middle of something right now, haha!

If it gets out of hand, we'll definitely shut'er down!

battlechaser
08-05-2008, 02:44 PM
I think it's really easy to criticize the guy from an armchair perspective. Is he vulgar, yes, we covered that, and yes, I think it would be to his advantage to tone it down a bit. Dropping the "F" bomb every second word will get you noticed, just not respected. Opinionated, again yes, but IMO that only makes for a better review, as someone with that kind of experience (not to mention that stockpile of guns (Hey, man.. you can only use one at a time.. :p) because then he'd have a more solid base of what's out there, for a similar price, that will yield similar results, but might be a bit more of a better bargain (the clamping feedneck rants). It's good if you, as a manufacturer have to change a reviewers prejudice on your product, it only makes the review that much more potent. I think with him you have to take the good with the bad, and both with a grain of salt. He's just a regular guy that's taken it upon himself to do this for the good of the sport. I think it also would have been a much more functional idea if his personal problems with PBNation were left at the door.

As a newer player to the sport it is nice to actually see someone go through the gun piece by piece (I'm one of those guys that needs to see it done most of the time). And it's good to see someone take the initiative and create a database like his. That's all I really have to say on the subject. And like Vike, I think it'll be my final post on it. BTW, very big thanks to the Mod Squad over here on leaving this thread open, it seems a good way for most of us to vent.:couchplus:

SpyderMan723
08-05-2008, 02:50 PM
well put BC

HelpDeskHustler
08-05-2008, 02:57 PM
Personally, I didn't start watching until I saw the donation to the infant who was shot by a paintball drive by. That's something that's good to see. It's hard to stop the problem without restricting and punishing paintballers, but its very easy for us to be part of the problem and help these people who were hurt by idiots, associating themselves with us.

battlechaser
08-05-2008, 03:06 PM
well put BC

Thanks, but to be honest, this thread was started mostly to get peoples opinions on the guns in the Supergun show, not so much about Mike.

Personally, I didn't start watching until I saw the donation to the infant who was shot by a paintball drive by. That's something that's good to see. It's hard to stop the problem without restricting and punishing paintballers, but its very easy for us to be part of the problem and help these people who were hurt by idiots, associating themselves with us.

I discovered him completely by accident, I was just looking for reviews and other Species timmies when I was first thinking about buying PBGrandpa's gun and stumbled on his Rendition Species/MikeyUSF account. From there I found his Alias 101 video, and the rest they say is history.

Ok.. this is my last... lol. :p

SpyderMan723
08-05-2008, 03:23 PM
back on topic..

the newest droid episode was pretty cool. never noticed how similar the droid regs and cp's were..

TheDarkShadow
08-05-2008, 03:43 PM
I think it's really easy to criticize the guy from an armchair perspective. Is he vulgar, yes, we covered that, and yes, I think it would be to his advantage to tone it down a bit. Dropping the "F" bomb every second word will get you noticed, just not respected. Opinionated, again yes, but IMO that only makes for a better review, as someone with that kind of experience (not to mention that stockpile of guns (Hey, man.. you can only use one at a time.. :p) because then he'd have a more solid base of what's out there, for a similar price, that will yield similar results, but might be a bit more of a better bargain (the clamping feedneck rants). It's good if you, as a manufacturer have to change a reviewers prejudice on your product, it only makes the review that much more potent. I think with him you have to take the good with the bad, and both with a grain of salt. He's just a regular guy that's taken it upon himself to do this for the good of the sport. I think it also would have been a much more functional idea if his personal problems with PBNation were left at the door.

As a newer player to the sport it is nice to actually see someone go through the gun piece by piece (I'm one of those guys that needs to see it done most of the time). And it's good to see someone take the initiative and create a database like his. That's all I really have to say on the subject. And like Vike, I think it'll be my final post on it. BTW, very big thanks to the Mod Squad over here on leaving this thread open, it seems a good way for most of us to vent.:couchplus:

I agree completely