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especiialypsycho
07-24-2008, 11:26 AM
Anyone ever been bonus balled like crazy?


MY story:

One time at PB Jungle(PLaying woodsball with my MR1)I got shot oh the shoulder immdeiatley called myself out and stood up, then the guys proceeds to shoot me at 17BPS on the same pot till i run off the field, Turns out the kid is like 10 with an insanely nice ion.


Anyone else have experiences like these?

shunut
07-24-2008, 11:34 AM
Never been bonus balled but I've done some bonus balling. Only time I'd ever do it is if somebody is talking trash, trying to act all hot off the field. If they are I purposely hunt them down.

spyderpaintball
07-24-2008, 11:44 AM
I've been bonus balled, overshot, walked off the field, and other way you want to put it. I have also overshot and bonus balled myself. Eventually you learn that it is just a fact of playing the sport. Personally I only did it to people that had wronged me, but I have found from my time that most that do it are looking for a reaction so I refuse to give it to them.

DirtySouth
07-24-2008, 12:19 PM
Never been bonus balled but I've done some bonus balling. Only time I'd ever do it is if somebody is talking trash, trying to act all hot off the field. If they are I purposely hunt them down.

Same here. :)

silentchaos45
07-24-2008, 12:28 PM
only time i do it is if people just stand up and walk off.. i dont know if they are out or not.. so i put 2 on them just to make sure..one poor guy didnt understand the rules right and my team mate and i hit him 20+ times before he finally started screaming at us.. we had to start shooting at him again just so he'd get off the feild hahahaha good times:p

DisIsMyUsername
07-24-2008, 12:49 PM
wow bonus balling FTL.

i dont care if they trash talk while i got them out, it's more power to me to let them walk off talking their crap cause i pwned them.

If someone walks midfield without aiming and their gun hanging down, I don't shoot either, its obvious they're out i dont do the "just to make sure"

I'd rather not waste my paint on BS, but thats just me.

Now if I myself get bonus balled, i turn and glare @ the person pretty much. Usualy doesn't happen again. lol

silentchaos45
07-24-2008, 01:02 PM
wow bonus balling FTL.

i dont care if they trash talk while i got them out, it's more power to me to let them walk off talking their crap cause i pwned them.

If someone walks midfield without aiming and their gun hanging down, I don't shoot either, its obvious they're out i dont do the "just to make sure"

I'd rather not waste my paint on BS, but thats just me.

Now if I myself get bonus balled, i turn and glare @ the person pretty much. Usualy doesn't happen again. lol

well ive had people walk out and acting to be out then turn and rain fire on me... so im the safe then sorry type... and the guy we shot didnt walk out midfeild he just stood up from the bunker and started walking nothing said not holding hands up... and anyway if your to wimpy to take one or two more shots maybe you should play somthing else... like with barbie or somthing where pain isnt an issue..

DFSniper
07-24-2008, 01:52 PM
the only time i intentionally bonus ball is when someone is being an asshat to newer players, or they're just really cocky.

battlechaser
07-24-2008, 02:06 PM
well ive had people walk out and acting to be out then turn and rain fire on me... so im the safe then sorry type... and the guy we shot didnt walk out midfeild he just stood up from the bunker and started walking nothing said not holding hands up... and anyway if your to wimpy to take one or two more shots maybe you should play somthing else... like with barbie or somthing where pain isnt an issue..

Running a renegade field... this is one of our rules, if you're not walking with your hand up, and if we can't hear you call out. We don't stop firing.

One guy got shot about 10 times because he refused to put his hand up, or at least yell. Didn't help his case that he was walking right for the flag.

Same goes for shooting strings, if I can't see your hand up, I don't stop firing.

silentchaos45
07-24-2008, 02:10 PM
see thats what im talking bout.. if you dont let everyone know your out in some way.. you deserve to get shot

battlechaser
07-24-2008, 02:11 PM
see thats what im talking bout.. if you dont let everyone know your out in some way.. you deserve to get shot

Mind you, we don't have kids out with use, I think I'm about the youngest that shows up. And I'm 24. And the women that come out with use play just as hard as we do.

silentchaos45
07-24-2008, 02:18 PM
well of course... dont want to make the future of paintball hate it :)

Maj_Paint
07-24-2008, 02:19 PM
I've been bonus-balled a couple of times. I try not to do it but there are some people that really tick me off and deserve it.

One time I saw a guy walking off the field and I had no idea he was out. He wasn't holding his gun or hands up so I lit him up and got a fairly nasty glare when I got back to the gathering area. We laughed about it later.

STRIKEFIRST
07-24-2008, 02:21 PM
Never had it done to me...Never had to do it...Seen it done...Seen a ref get bonus balled for helping someone cheat...That was Justice.

VicReschke0626
07-24-2008, 02:27 PM
If I don't see a hand up or gun up in the air, you're still in till you're off the field in my book. Don't complain to me if you get shot a couple more times because you didn't stick your hand in the air. And I don't complain when it happens to me for that reason either. Take last weekend for example, I was 3 on 1 and got picked off in the hand in the middle of a fire fight trying to pin their corners down while keep my friend from coming up the snake side. The two back corners were shooting so much at my bunker I KNOW they didn't hear me call out, and I hadn't stuck my hand up to show I was out yet, well, in that couple of seconds, my friend had ran up the snake side and he flanked me and hit me a few extra times thinking I was still in. He apologized for over shooting me and I told him to relax, it was no big deal. My hand wasn't up and it was hard to see the hit on my hand from his angle. That kind of thing doesn't bother me at all, it's part of the sport. As soon as electronics got introduced, you pretty much had to start accepting you were going to get shot a couple more times everytime you called out. Even in the best case scenario, if a player sees you walking off and can't see you're hand in the air, they're going to rattle off a few shots at you in less than a second. We're talking a blink of the eye, instinctual reaction to shoot at what is moving by the time they realize that you're already out, 5-6, maybe even up to 9+ balls are already in the air and headed your way.

That being said, if you're CLEARLY out, and the bonus baller is still shooting at the out player after the first couple of bonus shots have already broke on them, then you're just a jerk. And I consider myself above that, I don't stoop to their level and light them up, I just let them stand out as the assbag that nobody likes. They'll get no reaction from me, I won't get mad at them or hunt them down hardcore. I will get a little extra joy from everytime I shoot them out from then on, but like it has been said, if you can put up with a little extra pain, maybe you should consider a different sport. Like Poker where there only way you could possibly get hurt is like a papercut or falling off your chair and onto you big ass.

vikingshadow
07-24-2008, 02:32 PM
At a tourny once, I was the last player left on our team and I was trapped in the back center. A guy in the snake lit my pack up with 12+ shots - we actually counted the shots that we could see hit, and I'm pretty sure there were a few more than that. Unfortunately, I had a guy coming in to bunker me on the other side and I was focused on him so the snake guy couldn't see me waving my hands and he kept shooting. Finally the guys in the dead box waved him off. He was cool enough (and considerate enough) to shoot me in the pack though. That could have been painful! This is one reason I prefer the Open bracket in tournaments - the guys are usually pretty cool about that kind of thing.

Other than that, and a few shots recieved after I was shot out, I've never been bonus balled. I have, quite frequently, bonus balled guys of the field though. When they just stand up and slowly start walking off without indicating they're out - I'm shooting them until they either run off the field, wave their hands, or a ref tells me to stop. Too many people do Dead Man Walks or protect their players on the field by shielding them so I shoot them until they give. Last tournament I was in, there was an entire team that would just stand up and walk. So, every time we shot one out, we followed him to the dead box. What was bad was they were the "field team" and they ended up complaining to the refs, but all of them said the same thing that I told them - raise your hand and get off the field in a hurry!

In every tournament I ever played, all the promoters have mentioned overshooting, but everyone of them said he won't usually pull anyone for it. It's hard to decide if it was actually overshooting most times, and it is part of the game.

One thing you have to remember, especially with today's ramping - if you get hit once, there's a good chance that the shooter actually let off a string of about 10-15 balls that may or may not hit you. They're really not overshooting, but you can't call back paint once it's been shot!

I've never shot anyone because they were a jerk - I can do more damage with my voice after the game. I have RIPPED a few players in half that way before and I'm pleased to say that overshooting never happened, or at least very infrequently at our field because of it.

Edit - I have bonused refs before - that's a story for another time!

I don't endorse nor recommend bonus balling as a tool during a game. It is dangerous and does hurt.

xsvly-fat
07-24-2008, 06:43 PM
I got bonus balled from walking off the field a few times, one of the worst was when i went to bunker someone in the snake and he seen me right when I was getting ready to do it and he shot me like 10 times from 2 feet away, that hurt lol

Ace24
07-24-2008, 10:12 PM
Never been bonus balled but I've done some bonus balling. Only time I'd ever do it is if somebody is talking trash, trying to act all hot off the field. If they are I purposely hunt them down.
I do the hunting part also... Kids that put down noobs and talk all kinds of trash with their PSP usually find themselves on the other end of my 12" Cocker barrel.

I've been bonus balled, overshot, walked off the field, and other way you want to put it. I have also overshot and bonus balled myself. Eventually you learn that it is just a fact of playing the sport. Personally I only did it to people that had wronged me, but I have found from my time that most that do it are looking for a reaction so I refuse to give it to them.
Agreed.


Edit - I have bonused refs before - that's a story for another time!


Hope there was a good reason... :dodgy:

Last time I got bonus balled was at the NPPL Buffalo OSC Pump tourney. I got shot 4 times in the soft ear, once in the lens and once in the shoulder, all breaking. That guy also got pulled from that game and given a penalty. *shrug*

It wasn't so bad, pissed me off more then anything and made me play better.

LostCause
07-25-2008, 08:43 AM
i've been bonused balled....but only ny kids younger then me....:( rember before i had pants, i got shot in the groin region and near it about 10 times (counted the shots) and the guy was abot 15feet or less from me (was in a dang bunker, then some hot shot kid lights me up in the groin....so as i surreneder hand up saying im out get hit there even more by the same kid....my freind had to keep me from murdering the damn kid....

vikingshadow
07-25-2008, 04:25 PM
Hope there was a good reason... :dodgy:

Oh, yeah, there was a good reason! Long story, but let's just say:

Cheating ref
honest hits wiped off BY THE REF
ref used to play for the team he was wiping hits off of
pulled 2 for 1's all day against everyone BUT that team
That team cheated (wiped, played on, etc) all day and the ref ignored it
EVERYONE on the sidelines saw this happening and complained all day about it

All the teams decided that during the last game of the day, whoever was on that refs end of the field should give out a little "justice". Well, it turned out to be us, and we were playing the cheating team. This ref lays down on the ground between me and the primary bunker that EVERYONE was trying to make that day - so I just PSP ramped him off the break, to make it look like an accident. (The rest of the team made sure to give that cheating team extra love as well...) The refs did pull a 1 for 1 on us for that, so that team actually beat us - but as far as I know they didn't cheat.)

Now, when I lit the ref up, the entire sideline just ERUPTED into chears and laughs - I was laughing so hard I got shot out...then the ref wanted to DQ us from the tournament - the promoter, the field owner and the ultimate got together and told him since it was the last game of the day and we didn't stand a chance to win (we were playing for 4th), and they'd had so many complaints about him that day that not only were we not DQ'd, but they were surprised it didn't happen earlier that day, and he was not welcome to ref in that series again.

I don't support bonusballing - but after a long day of playing in the heat, and dealing with his crap, and it was obvious crap at that, well, you know...

especiialypsycho
07-25-2008, 04:28 PM
Yay Vike for bringing justice to paintball:)

battlechaser
07-25-2008, 04:54 PM
i've been bonused balled....but only ny kids younger then me....:( rember before i had pants, i got shot in the groin region and near it about 10 times (counted the shots) and the guy was abot 15feet or less from me (was in a dang bunker, then some hot shot kid lights me up in the groin....so as i surreneder hand up saying im out get hit there even more by the same kid....my freind had to keep me from murdering the damn kid....

This is why you BB back, and not pistol whip. :p

What happened to the kid, one or two strays is accidental, 10 shots in the same area requires aiming. I would've gotten the kid pulled.

spyderfan4271
07-25-2008, 05:04 PM
I have been bonus'd by a guy at our field who confuses spray and pray with skill (drawback of playing speedball). I seen him shoot some little 10 year old kid 5 times in the groin just out of control. Why in the hell didn't he put it in semi auto for a little kid?

bigred76
07-25-2008, 05:19 PM
Uh... dude... Semi only means "semi only." Remind him of that, and then inform him that if the rules being stated to him don't help, you'll gladly bring it up to the field owner and have him removed for trespassing, as he signed a waiver stating that he'd follow the rules and when he voided that, he began tresspassing. If he keeps on going, also remind him that it's assault with a deadly weapon too, in that case.

Critical
07-25-2008, 05:28 PM
I've stayed out of this, there have been a number of people whom I respect who have posted opinions that I'm very surprised at. Simply stated, bonus balling should not be allowed. Period. There is never a reason, let alone a good reason, why you should bonus ball someone. If your equipment is malfunctioning, you should not be on the field. If you are shooting a mode that is not allowed, you should be sent home. If you are deliberately overshooting, and doing so repeatedly, you should be BOS at the field. The problem, as I see it, is two-fold. At the national level, pro teams BB constantly, which means that all the wanna-be's see it, and emulate their actions. Secondly, at many local fields, the refs simply are not trained to eliminate the problem, or they do not care. Regardless, it is never appropriate to bonus balling, and bonus balling in retaliation for something doesn't solve anything.

vikingshadow
07-25-2008, 05:58 PM
I've been humbled. I will admit, before I quit playing, it wasn't just the other player's attitude I grew to hate - it was my own.

Critical, I totally understand your post, and I do feel bad about the very few times I've done it. Believe me, while I typed my posts as humorous, I don't feel good about it (well, maybe a little on the ref thing.) That's why I took the time to post that I don't approve of it.

But, in my (and probably others) defense, I've been in many tournaments where people walk slowly off the field after being hit by a shot or two, totally ignored, only to find that they had wiped those hits and just moved bunkers to get a better angle - in several instances they were purposely taking hits in the back so that they could protect their remaining players. While bonus balling is still inexcusable, there are instances, like these, that it must be done - sometimes honor must be taught as it's not necessarily human nature to be honorable. Really, as a team that's practiced for weeks, dumped lots of money in paint and time and effort, not to mention tournament paint and entry fees, they aren't going to trust the other team to follow the "honor system" - they just have too much at stake in that one game.

That being said, the only honor a team can have is the individual player honor - and hopefully all five, seven or three members will have as much honor to play the correct way. Unfortunately, you just can't rely on that same commitment on the other side of the field. Now, the way I see it, as soon as they call themselves out or get pulled and are making a concerted effort to do the honorable thing, then by all mans you must show them the same courtesy. But if they've done the "slow walk" or the "Dead Man" then you have to follow the "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!" axiom.

To maybe regain a bit of the credibility I had, I absolutely abhor bonus balling in rec play, and in most cases tournament play - and shooting refs! Especially since I am/was one...

The thing is, that this actually being taught in clinics. At our last Texas Storm clinic, we were practicing run throughs, and we were told to shoot the targets as many times in the neck as possible to keep them from spinning on us and shooting us. Now, I know I wouldn't do that as I prefer only shooting a couple of times, and if at all possible on the hard parts of their equipment - but what about those clinics where 10 - 11 year olds are attending? They actually don't think there is another way...

By the way, when is bonus balling only considered overshooting? Are they the same things? Or is bonus balling just once a player gets shot, there are 15 more balls on their way since they were already in the air?

Critical
07-25-2008, 06:18 PM
Overshooting is different from bonus balling. Simple overshooting is an elimination that the person walks on the trigger a little longer than necessary. I don't believe that there is overshooting in tournaments. But, in rec play, there is a serious problem with it. Bonus balling is deliberately firing for far longer than required, or shooting a player after they are eliminated, it's one of those things like Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart said about pornography, "I'll know it when I see it."

As to your example of a player faking being out, or reentering. Personally, a dead man's walk should be at least a 3 for 1, if not a DQ of the team from the tournament.

I don't have a problem with people being told to shoot for the soft spots. The first year I played, I got shot in the nuts every day I played. Made me a better player really fast! If people can't the hits, they're in the wrong sport. Besides, doing a run-through, if you're aiming for a small target like the neck, at a full run, loaded with all the gear, more power to you.

Don't worry Vike, you have returned to a position of honor and glory with me, of course, that and $7.50 will get you a half-eaten donut, so don't think it means too much.

vikingshadow
07-25-2008, 06:27 PM
Hahaha - half eaten donut. That's more than my wife will let me have now, so I'll take it!

Critical
07-25-2008, 06:41 PM
Give me a safe address and the name of a place that will deliver and I will have a dozen mixed sent right over.

deano 177
07-25-2008, 06:44 PM
I have never tried to "BB" someone on purpose. I have "over shot" someone, which critical has explained. Some times I guess I get tunnel vision and don't see the guys waving me off. I have see a guy start shooting at the other player once he was out. I guess he did it out of rage. We sat him down after the game and basically told him that if he ever did it again he would not be welcome to play with us again. He took it well and didn't get his feelings hurt. He still plays with us to this day.

XSiv Force
07-25-2008, 07:01 PM
ive been bonused balled off the field once...............standing next to one of the refs on the sidelines witht the opposite color arm band on guy moves up to the 50 and sees me standing next to the ref(with my gun in hand and bright orange barrel sock over barrel) and proceeds to annihilate me and the ref...................the ref was going to shot him with my gun :D

TheDarkShadow
07-25-2008, 07:21 PM
I only got bonus balled bad once. I was trying to get off the feild through thrick brush and got shot up bad, I was PISSED

LostCause
07-25-2008, 07:29 PM
This is why you BB back, and not pistol whip. :p

What happened to the kid, one or two strays is accidental, 10 shots in the same area requires aiming. I would've gotten the kid pulled.

not a thing...after i almsot beat the crap out of him he left....lil punk wouldnt even take me on the field after that....(sorry....when i get po'ed its bad...)

DFSniper
07-25-2008, 09:47 PM
honestly i overshoot all the time. but its not my fault its FPO and their paint is almost as bad as monster balls. i shot this guy about 15 times in a row once, and after the game he said "man, you finally got me. all the shots kept bouncing off my head!" did i feel bad? kinda. but i figured one of two things will happen: 1) it'll break eventually or 2) he'll call himself out or go into hiding when he can't take it anymore.

silentchaos45
07-25-2008, 10:52 PM
i play alot of woodsball... or recball whatever yall call it... and where i use to play the bunkers were far off... so you shoot like 20 times over there and the 1st one hits him hes still got 19 to go... is that over shooting, bonus balling, or just making sure that fool is out? i say let it rain, no matter what you call it. if you cant take it. dont play.. if you get mad.. use that in the next game.. and if you get stupid..... have fun eating 20 more :p

HelpDeskHustler
07-27-2008, 08:11 AM
I've "confirmed a kill" or "prevented wipes" but never overshot. Usually I'll only get really aggressive, like DFS said, to people who are talking trash or being mean to teh nubs, but overshooting isn't really something I joke with or do out of spit, it's just me making sure you're dead.

phatphil
07-27-2008, 01:57 PM
I've "confirmed a kill" or "prevented wipes" but never overshot. Usually I'll only get really aggressive, like DFS said, to people who are talking trash or being mean to teh nubs, but overshooting isn't really something I joke with or do out of spit, it's just me making sure you're dead.

Exactly.

Ace24
07-27-2008, 05:40 PM
I don't believe that there is overshooting in tournaments.

I would have to disagree with that. All the tourneys I've ever played, since I'm usually the last player in, I get overshot every once in a while. I mean overshot too. As in they deliberately pointed their gun at my head at close range and kept shooting.

How do you explain being shot in the soft ear 4 times, in the shoulder once and in the lens once in an NPPL OSC pump tournament? (This was at close range, being bunkered by a guy who didn't have an auto trigger... that takes effort, neh?) That is over shooting. Maybe I don't understand where you're coming from, but I'd strongly disagree that there isn't overshooting in tourneys.

HelpDeskHustler
07-27-2008, 07:26 PM
I hate being the last man standing, ESPECIALLY pump play. Semi I can put up a decent fight in a 3v1 or a weaksauce 5v1 but pump is difficult to pull off a 2v1. Overshooting in an extremely overpowering situation like the one ace described is excessive, especailly since you can't even shoot 4 balls from autotrigger pump guns in the amount of time it takes to see he's not going to spin and shoot you. I mean if ace was a cheater who they know had wiped like 4 or 5 times, it might be meaningful, like "hey wipe all of these" but since he's not, I don't think it's justified.

Ratchet
07-27-2008, 07:46 PM
i dont quit shooting till they say out or their gun is in the air.... happens alot when they just sit there. oh well not my problem they dont know what to do besides panic, then ***** that i kept shooting. how am i supposed to know when you know that your out....... OH WAIT, WHEN YOU SAY "OUT" OR RAISE YOUR DAMN GUN IN THE AIR!

Ace24
07-27-2008, 07:52 PM
I hate being the last man standing, ESPECIALLY pump play. Semi I can put up a decent fight in a 3v1 or a weaksauce 5v1 but pump is difficult to pull off a 2v1. Overshooting in an extremely overpowering situation like the one ace described is excessive, especailly since you can't even shoot 4 balls from autotrigger pump guns in the amount of time it takes to see he's not going to spin and shoot you. I mean if ace was a cheater who they know had wiped like 4 or 5 times, it might be meaningful, like "hey wipe all of these" but since he's not, I don't think it's justified.

The ref gave him a penalty and his band got pulled... but still haha. He was bragging about it afterwards too. *sigh*

Hopefully we wont see these attitudes on the 23rd at GRC's 24 hour scenario.

i dont quit shooting till they say out or their gun is in the air.... happens alot when they just sit there. oh well not my problem they dont know what to do besides panic, then ***** that i kept shooting. how am i supposed to know when you know that your out....... OH WAIT, WHEN YOU SAY "OUT" OR RAISE YOUR DAMN GUN IN THE AIR!

...If you see it break, you stop shooting. Don't be an asshat. If they don't get out, thats when you call the ref over. If there is no ref and they still don't get out, then you shoot them again. You don't keep shooting the person till they physically stand up. If you keep shooting them, they're more likely to dig deeper into their bunker to get away from the shots. Especially if they are beginners. :headbrick:


:shameonyou:








:punch:


If I saw you on the field doing that while I was reffing or on management, I would kick you out.

DFSniper
07-27-2008, 07:52 PM
and i think its that kind of attitude that brings us back to the "old school" way of playing vike mentioned earlier...

vikingshadow
07-27-2008, 08:28 PM
I watched a novice player (young guy) today do a run up on a rookie kid who had no clue what was about to happen. Instead of lighting him up, he put one shot - in the kid's pack. The sidelines cheered and told him that was exactly the right thing to do. Sportsmanship starts with one player, and he got serious points for being cool whether he meant to do it or not...

irishwarrior
07-28-2008, 05:56 AM
That is very honorable of the guy to do that. I remember that when I was starting out in recball I was a nube and got tunnel vision, had a nice 3-round burst in the back from 15ft away. Luckily though, I had already caught the bug and wanted to play more :).