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Oz-1
02-24-2006, 03:09 PM
Is anyone else having trouble finding a scope sight for their MR1?
For me, I've been looking all over the net trying to find a red-dot sight that is short enough (apprx. 6.5-7.0cm) to be mounted on the MR1.

Unfortunately, the top cocking bolt is in the way of the rest of the length of the sight rail... and any further up, you'd run into the feed neck.

On top of that... I've been also having trouble finding an affordable red-dot sight (or raised rails) that mount on 7/8" dovetail rail (what I think that is). Anyone have any solutions? Find any offsets er anythin'? :confused:

QRFleader
02-25-2006, 04:08 PM
take the screw out of the elbow and turn it around where it faces the other way. I ran a laser on mine the first week end but honestly all it does is look cool

Oz-1
02-25-2006, 11:10 PM
hmm.. that makes a little more rooom, but still isn't very good... most red-dot scopes are AT EAST 9 cm long....

i still can't fine a [raised] sight rail for this.

QRFleader
02-28-2006, 07:09 AM
where have u looked for a laser, Try sportsmansguide.com

Primal
02-28-2006, 01:45 PM
The only thing as is good in scoops on peintball is RED DOT sight.

DRAGON
02-28-2006, 02:52 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/32-Degrees-Magnum-Red-Dot-Sight-Black_W0QQitemZ7221363684QQcategoryZ36285QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

http://cgi.ebay.com/ELECTRONIC-RED-DOT-GREEN-DOT-REFLEX-SIGHT-SCOPE_W0QQitemZ7223015836QQcategoryZ66827QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem

QuiGonKen
03-28-2006, 07:23 PM
so has anyone gotten a sight/scope for their MR1? which one did you get? where did you get it? how much..etc..etc

Frat
04-04-2006, 09:02 AM
Any of the Weaver based or Picatinny based scopes will work. I will probably use a BSA 40MM Red Dot. The problem is the stock design will not let you get your head behind the scope if you have a mask on. I am working on modifying my stock by cutting out the top rail. I have not decided fully how I want to do it yet though.

yamaha cow
04-14-2006, 05:00 PM
with paintball you really cant use a red dot or a scope because of the somany variables of a paintball.

lilc
04-14-2006, 05:06 PM
with paintball you really cant use a red dot or a scope because of the somany variables of a paintball.

That's not 100% true. The crazy low-velocity ballistics of spherical paintballs fired through non-rifled barrels certainly make sights like red dot sights less effective on markers than on firearms, but you can still dial your sight in for better accuracy at a specific range.

If you have most of your engagements at a range of, say, 35 yards, you can set your velocity and then shoot a target 35 yards away to dial in your sight's elevation (and windage). Sure, if you have a firefight a little closer or a little further away your sight is going to be a little off, but I think it's still more effective than having no sight at all and just taking snapshots.

That said, I like taking snapshots... ;)

yamaha cow
04-14-2006, 05:17 PM
well yes you are right but at 35 yards most guns can hit you and they can see you with my empire twister i hit guys at 80-100 yards with a bipod.

yamaha cow
04-14-2006, 05:42 PM
I mean feet

Hob Hayward
04-14-2006, 05:43 PM
I beleive you mean feet there, pb's can't go 300 feet unles you arc wayyyyyy up. Even then I'm, not sure if it would reach.

yamaha cow
04-15-2006, 04:12 PM
yes i know.

SupermanDan
04-15-2006, 10:17 PM
i didn't think you could get a sight that was short enough to fit the rail on the MR1. and besides, how could you even see through it? the stock gets in the way when you try to aim with a mask on(i guess if you had a JT proteus you might be able to use it). you'd have to fine tune the sight pretty good for the lob, unless you had an Apex(which i do :yay: ) or a flatline, but the apex isn't very accurate, so... if you want a scope/ sight, then get a tippmann.

lilc
04-16-2006, 01:47 PM
i didn't think you could get a sight that was short enough to fit the rail on the MR1. and besides, how could you even see through it? the stock gets in the way when you try to aim with a mask on(i guess if you had a JT proteus you might be able to use it). you'd have to fine tune the sight pretty good for the lob, unless you had an Apex(which i do :yay: ) or a flatline, but the apex isn't very accurate, so... if you want a scope/ sight, then get a tippmann.

JCS makes a set of short-rail offsets for the Weaver rail that allow you to mount a red dot. There are also a couple of other obscure options for fitting a sight to the MR1.

There is definitely a maximum range outside of which most red dot sights don't have sufficient adjustment to get dialed in for the longball arc.

Timber Cat
04-20-2006, 12:39 PM
Acutally you can use a site on the MR1. If you have a set of Kingman Java V-Tyoe Goggles, some weaver rail to dove tail adapters, and scope rings you can effectively use a scope or even a red dot.

To help with confort, I had one of the guys I work with to heat up and melt the stock to make it a little easier to see through.

Zenin
04-20-2006, 01:55 PM
with paintball you really cant use a red dot or a scope because of the somany variables of a paintball.

I plan to prove that wrong (http://www.spyder.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=34339&postcount=14), but we'll see. :-)

To say that a red dot isn't useful for paintball basically is saying that intentionally aiming your gun at something/someone you wish to actually hit isn't useful.

Now if you're playing one of the cheesy paintball styles that has you dressed up in neon clothes on a golf putting course hiding behind giant inflated beach balls... Well, then yes aiming ultra-fast is of far more importance then aiming well. Such games are far more about how much paint you can spray and how fast you can sprint then they are about precision or thinking.

If that's what you're into, more power to you; I played more then my fair share of Quake which isn't really all that much different tactically. But if that is your game...why touch an MR1?

Someone buying an MR1 is much more likely to be a woodsball/urban/scenario or similar "large field" game player. While there's plenty of use in these games for spraying supressive fire...there's also considerable value on well aimed, precision shots...the kind of shots where the first two rounds fired are intended to hit the target...unlike speedball where the first few shots are simply tracer shots to figure where to aim the real shots...

(That all said...my red dot will be for aiming shots...the zoom scope is there for targeting (If you're not familar with a targeting scope, it's basically a teliscope for finding the enemy...typically it isn't even attached to a gun at all)).

Zenin
04-20-2006, 02:07 PM
JCS makes a set of short-rail offsets for the Weaver rail that allow you to mount a red dot. There are also a couple of other obscure options for fitting a sight to the MR1.

There is definitely a maximum range outside of which most red dot sights don't have sufficient adjustment to get dialed in for the longball arc.

Amazon lists an In Yo Face Off Set Gun Sight (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00024DOMK/qid=1145570385/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/103-6374736-3267063?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&v=glance&n=3375251) rail that looks like it should work? $15 bucks, cheap (but blue...blagh...needs a paint job...I can't find a black of it?)

So far as adjustment...yah, it would be nice to have rails that had gross elevation adjustments. For my big scope I'm going to try and zero it in for the arch at ~50 yards...but I'll probably have to shimmy the back of the Weaver rail up with washers...there's no way a dial with 1/4" clicks (1/2" at 50 yards...but still) is going to adjust near enough to compensate for an arch that's better messured in feet. :D

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00024DOMK.01-A14LK0ZXSU0XON._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

lilc
04-20-2006, 06:44 PM
Amazon lists an In Yo Face Off Set Gun Sight (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00024DOMK/qid=1145570385/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/103-6374736-3267063?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&v=glance&n=3375251) rail that looks like it should work? $15 bucks, cheap (but blue...blagh...needs a paint job...I can't find a black of it?)

So far as adjustment...yah, it would be nice to have rails that had gross elevation adjustments. For my big scope I'm going to try and zero it in for the arch at ~50 yards...but I'll probably have to shimmy the back of the Weaver rail up with washers...there's no way a dial with 1/4" clicks (1/2" at 50 yards...but still) is going to adjust near enough to compensate for an arch that's better messured in feet. :D

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00024DOMK.01-A14LK0ZXSU0XON._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

That IYF offset is for a 3/8" dovetail, not a 7/8" Weaver/Picatinny rail.

kies
05-28-2006, 06:41 AM
Try going to flagraiders.com then go to there store they have one with the laserdot built right into the scope, it will fit onto it because its oly about 6-8 cm long.

yamaha cow
05-28-2006, 02:49 PM
that in yo face sight wont work i have one for my E99

Ghost Bear Reborn
05-29-2006, 06:50 AM
Real Action Paintball makes a M16 style carry handle for the MR1 that you can mount a sight on.

yamaha cow
05-29-2006, 09:06 AM
its only for the mr1

yamaha cow
05-29-2006, 10:00 AM
its only for themr2

Ghost Bear Reborn
05-29-2006, 11:59 AM
When I emailed them, they assured me that it would fit the MR1. If it arrives, and it doesn't fit, I'm gonna be trés pissed.

lilc
05-30-2006, 06:00 AM
When I emailed them, they assured me that it would fit the MR1. If it arrives, and it doesn't fit, I'm gonna be trés pissed.
Unfortunately, it DOES NOT fit the MR1. I saw that on their website and immediately realized that, without other hardware, the same handle that fits on an MR2 will interfere with the MR1's top cocking handle. I e-mailed them about it and talked with Jim, who confirmed this. They have since changed their website to indicate that the handle is only for the MR2, which is too bad, 'cause it looks hellacool on the MR2... :(

oldnewb
05-30-2006, 08:09 AM
Ouch.

Ghost Bear Reborn
05-30-2006, 11:58 AM
Sounds like I have a complaint to make.

kies
06-07-2006, 01:22 PM
Personally I don't see the point of scopes other to make it look cool because in the field your never going to able to look through a scope and pin out a guy with a red dot.
That's like trying to use a pump marker in speedball, it's just not done.;)

Ghost Bear Reborn
06-08-2006, 05:23 AM
My buddy's accuracy jumped through the roof when he added a red-dot to his A-5.

SpyderFan
06-11-2006, 11:36 AM
i wouldnt have any problems with my MR1 and sighting, if it werent for that stupid top cocking pin!!! argh!!!!aaaahhhh!!!!! (wow i feel better now, lol)

tater_salad
06-14-2006, 06:53 AM
i bought my red dot sight out of a cabelas magazine

SpyderFan
06-14-2006, 07:31 AM
what about a sight rail. i dont want a red dot. i havent read the whole board, i dont have the time, but wherre can i get a decent sight rail for my MR1?

yamaha cow
07-02-2006, 03:50 PM
ok i was lookin at the scopes at walyworld there was a scope i bought it was just a little to small for the rail, so i went back to return it and the guy that was there that worked there asked my wat size rail it was for i said 7/8 we went back to where i got the scope from and they have different mounting backets for the scope that fit on the rail.so just keep your eyes out and i can shoot accuratly for 150 yards with my new APEX barrel.

Taillo
07-05-2006, 09:44 PM
Get this : http://www.365qx.com/admin/product/UploadFiles/20051231139633168.jpg


Or something like this:

http://images.code3usa.com/www.code3usa.com/MOUNT_L.jpg

Or like this:

http://www.evike.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/MNT_M16_003-sm.gif

I got this one on my mr1 and it works great, looks great fits tight and the loader stay straight, and it does not stand in the way of the cocking hammer, nor the hammer stands in the sight of the scope.

http://cgi.ebay.com/30mm-Aimpoint-Blue-Dot-Sight-Scope-w-Cantilever-mount_W0QQitemZ7232963097QQihZ015QQcategoryZ7307QQ cmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

Taillo
07-05-2006, 09:48 PM
I forgot to tell, ou actualy have to cut the stock like in this post to be able to see with your gogles : http://www.spyder.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=3878

Ill post a picture of my mr1 as soon as a get the right battery for my digital cam and as soon as i finish to install my home made silencer...

yamaha cow
07-06-2006, 05:58 AM
here is my scope
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i140/yamahacow/gun065.jpg

Taillo
07-06-2006, 10:26 AM
Hey yamaha_cow do you have a hard time cocking your gun with that scope?

yamaha cow
07-06-2006, 03:23 PM
no not really it takes a little longer but you only need to do it 1 time.

Ghost Bear Reborn
07-11-2006, 05:41 AM
(Please forgive the terrible photos in this post. I forgot my good camera at work today.)

The continuing saga of my MR1 and my carry handle.

So, as followers of this thread will know, I ordered a carry handle from RAP4.com that they SWORE would fit my MR1, but then (after if was shipped of course) informed me that it would, in fact, only fit an MR2. I was trés pissed off, so say the least. The brokerage fee alone that UPS charged me was more than the cost of the carry handle itself!

But, unfortunately, I'm also very lazy. Fighting with a company in California for my money back seemed like too big a hassle, so I just put the carry handle in my closet and wrote it off as a lesson learned.

Fast forward a couple of months.

I just got a JT TAC-5 to use as a backup/loaner. The TAC-5 has a plastic carry handle. It's merely cosmetic, without the adjustable sight that RAP's carry handle has, but it is removable. I got to thinking, I wonder if the RAP4 carry handle would fit? It does:

http://www.specialopspaintball.com/brigade/member_files/77817/images/060709_007.jpg

So then, I get to thinking, I wonder if the TAC-5 carry handle would fit on the MR1? It took a fair bit of work with a Dremel and an X-Acto knife, but I got it to fit:

http://www.specialopspaintball.com/brigade/member_files/77817/images/060709_006.jpg

Naturally, it's purely cosmetic, but I think it looks pretty sharp.

velocity
07-12-2006, 03:23 PM
I just purchased the 42mm BSA red dot sight from Cabelas and also a 3" X 7/8" x 7/8" offset sight rail from JCS (http://bp-usa.com/accessories.htm)

It mounts onto the MR1 sight rail and offsets the scope without any interferrence from the hopper or the cocking pin

http://files.upl.silentwhisper.net/upload2/Spyder_MR1_Sight_Rail.jpg

http://files.upl.silentwhisper.net/upload2/Spyder_MR1.jpg

spydermr1
07-16-2006, 08:07 PM
Ghost Bear Reborn what barrel is that on your MR1?

Ghost Bear Reborn
07-17-2006, 06:27 AM
It's the stock barrel with a front sight and barrel grip from www.rap4.com.

spydermr1
07-17-2006, 03:24 PM
Awesome! So is it that blue handguard on there site? You paint it black? For the sight is it the Integrated Front Sight? That just looks so freaking cool so Im really curious.

spydermr1
07-17-2006, 05:23 PM
ohh nvm I see what it is I think..awesome. Thanks for the site link Ghost.

Ghost Bear Reborn
07-18-2006, 06:23 AM
It's an integrated front sight and the M4 Carbine Handguard:
http://rap4.com/paintball/os/carbine-handguard-t68t16-p-1574.html It took a lot of work with a dremel and some scrap plywood to get the grip to fit.

I don't actually recommend RAP4. They screwed up my order and shipped me stuff I didn't order instead of the stuff I did order. Plus, they ship via UPS which charges an arm and a leg for brokerage fees to Canada (may not be an issue for you).

Trinity Paintball also sells an M4 barrel grip and sight that they claim will fit most barrels. You might want to try them. They don't have an on-line store though, so you'll have to email them to get more information.

spydermr1
07-18-2006, 10:45 AM
Ok gotcha, thanks Ghost. Love the way that MR1 looks. I emailed Trinity.

yamaha cow
07-18-2006, 02:03 PM
hay wat about that new mr3 handle i bet that would fit if u could find just the handle.

Hob Hayward
07-18-2006, 03:54 PM
If you call spyder tech they would probably let you order one.

AW0L
08-01-2006, 05:09 PM
What about the sights for the mr3 would those fit and if so can we order them?

sharkbait
08-03-2006, 03:25 AM
just get a JCS offset and u can fit anything u ever want on ur gun, as simple as that

AW0L
08-11-2006, 05:31 PM
yeah but i like good old iron sights if ya get what i mean

Zero F.E.A.R.
08-30-2006, 08:05 AM
You know I gotta ask though.....

You guys keep talking about how the MR-3 rail works perfectly on the MR-1 and I imagined it would but how the hell do you get yourself an MR-3 sight rail?????

SpyderManMR1
09-12-2006, 07:49 PM
I just so happens that since I'm not using my MR3 handle, I put that on my MR1. Any dove tail sight will fit. I've included pictures so you can also see that the stock fits also.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n214/rjohns813/MyMR1sm.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n214/rjohns813/MyMR1sm2.jpg

Just upgraded the scope...
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n214/rjohns813/MyMR11sm.jpg

BRASMAN
09-13-2006, 12:39 AM
This is what I am going to try to use on mine.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/sto...spx?p=21382&s=

Hob Hayward
09-13-2006, 04:52 PM
I can't suggest anything in the way of a rail for MR series guns, but I can recommend the NCSTAR 30mm red dot sight. I have one on my phantom and its great. Cost me 40$ shipped on ebay.

BRASMAN
09-20-2006, 10:36 AM
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=21382&s=



I got this in the mail today and it works fantastic on the MR1. I have a red dot on it and can get a cheek weld on the stock with my mask on and still see the dot just fine. I will post pics this weekend.

The last time I played it would have made a difference at least 4 times. However I play in the mountains not in a small field.

Crimson.Soldier
09-24-2006, 05:57 PM
I found a cantilever mount on ebay, fits a 20mm weaver rail. Would this work?


http://cgi.ebay.com/QD-cantilever-mount-for-aimpoint-reflex-scope_W0QQitemZ110036643988QQihZ001QQcategoryZ6682 7QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

DRCeccato
09-25-2006, 04:50 PM
I found a cantilever mount on ebay, fits a 20mm weaver rail. Would this work?


http://cgi.ebay.com/QD-cantilever-mount-for-aimpoint-reflex-scope_W0QQitemZ110036643988QQihZ001QQcategoryZ6682 7QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I picked one of those up with the 32mm red dot. And mounted the scope backwards. If you don't want to use the stock it'll fit over the bolt but I'm not able to get behind the scope with the stock on it. Though you could do the dog-leg mod on it that I've seen on the site but I'm not ready to go cutting anything yet.

I'd take a picture and post it but the USB ports on my computer are shot (really old Laptop). Though I will try and get some pictures done soon.

I was thinking of trying to pick up the dovetail angle mount that was added in the thread:
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=21382&s=

Here's hoping I can get those pics done for ya soon...

Taillo
09-26-2006, 05:20 AM
The cantlilever fits, but my hopper is not inserted 100% but it does not cause problems. The mount fits forward as well as backward. With my scope, i had to decide: Forward cantilever with incomplete hopper insertion ( caused no problems ) or backward steyr aug style ( which makes the cocking hammer tough to grab witht the finger but not so annoying )

mochodurazo
09-27-2006, 11:04 AM
can anyone tell if i can use a 3 x 7/8 x 3/8 to mount a red dot in center position in a mr1, im havin some trouble, its kind confousing, im left handed, so i cant shoot in a off center rail.

Nuwisha
10-22-2006, 02:40 AM
With some work and time, you can mount a red dot (or anyother scope) down the center line of the MR1, First, switch to a rear cocking spyder bolt, you'll have to make a new top pin and cut a new groove for the ball stop. Next, sand/grind down the rear sights of the MR1 (took me a couple seconds with my belt sander) Now you can mount an M16 style carry handle (which might need some grinding at the front to fit just right. Now you can get a scope rail for the carry handle and mount a scope.

Hey I didn't say it would be easy, just that it *could* be done (:

We did this to my friend's MR1 and it looks and works sweet. The APP hitman stock will work with this setup (more mods needed but hey, if you want it its worth the work).

Heres the Pic!!

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-10/1221131/DSC00006.JPG

Oh... I think it should work with reg. hoppers, but i'm not sure, as he's running a Qloader.

rouge1
03-26-2007, 01:55 PM
This is a Daisy scope and red dot sight from walmart.
A 7/8 scope mount from a local gun shop.
And a custom home-made base for the sight.

Juvinile
03-26-2007, 07:32 PM
I was checking out red dot scopes on Canadain Tire and i found a Tasco one that claims to have a "Built-on dovetail rail to fit standard centrefire weaver-style bases ' and "Length: 3¾" (95 mm)
Weight: 6 oz (170 g) ' will this fit on an MR1?

http://canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444328 2480&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474396672327&bmUID=1174966171052

Juvinile
03-31-2007, 03:52 PM
anyone????

Taillo
03-31-2007, 05:16 PM
Even if the weaver rail fits, this sight wont fit because of its lenght.

It is 3 3/4 inches, and the free space between the cocking hammer and the hopper is 2 1/2 inches.

Then it wont fit unless you get an offset rail, or a rail riser.

irishwarrior
12-31-2007, 12:25 PM
I mounted my Barska 1x50mm scope on my RIS handguard from RAP4. Because of the near-infinite eye-relief of a red dot scope it should work. This is the setup, go to the second pic.http://gallery.mac.com/irishwarrior#100008/Photo-208&bgcolor=black

Mattbur
01-01-2008, 04:57 AM
I am using this tac rail to mount mmy red dot scope on my mr1. Lines everything up perfectly. Downside of tac rail, must be removed to take off the cocking pin


http://www.paintball-online.com/paintball/product_information.asp?number=SGTKTRH

dwayne mifflin
01-30-2008, 12:42 PM
i have a scope mouted on an mr3 carry handle and i drilled a hole through it so i can take out the top cocking pin without removing the handle work and looks great.

BYUrdneck
01-31-2008, 06:46 AM
search ebay for a quick release or quick detachable mount and that raises the weaver mount enough to mount anything on a MR1. it is the perfect length to go between the feeder neck and the cocking knob. with that you can mount any red dot or scope or laser. I have one on my gun and it works perfect with my NcStar red dot. here is a pic of it.
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