View Full Version : Ain't it a kick in the pants?

04-28-2008, 04:03 PM
Edit: As of now, my gun is finished. Here's a tutorial for you to read (http://www.freewebs.com/vikingshadow/)- beware! It's complete so it's rather long!


Link to final pictures thread: http://www.spyder.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=17878

Ok, so every year during summer break, I have a project gun to build. Two years ago, I got my phantom (ok, I didn't "build" that one, but I had to choose the anno and what I wanted!) and last year was my Spimego. This year, after seeing pinkanese's spyder pump (I don't like the name "spump" for some reason), I just knew what I was going to do.

I started on this about 3 weeks ago - and it's taken just about every minute of free time I've had bidding on eBay, researching how to do things, and looking for parts (do you know how hard it is to find parts for an old school gun these days?) Just got the Trilogy PMP kit in today!

I'm going to mill a slot in the side of the body so that I can connect the pump rod to the bolt. I've got a silver single trigger coming in thanks to aodsniper. Then I need to get some grips (thinking Dark Seoul dark blue) and an asa and rail. I've got macroline and fittings coming from Hobby Horse, then I'm finished!


Edit: First of all, here are the specs:

Old style Sonix body (remember the 200.00 Sonix? Yeah...)
Slotted Striker giving this a "true" pump operation
Modified valve pin (JB Weld mod)
Dye 45 degree chrome frame
Dark Seoul dark blue grips
Icon Vertical adapter, anno stripped and polished
CP gas-thru grip
Freak stainless steel back
All American front
Trilogy PMP kit

As I said, I still have to cut a slot in the side of the body - I don't want to take the cocking rod to the back of the body unless I have to. If I can bend it at a 90 degree angle at the correct area on the bolt, then either bend another 90* angle to attach it to the bolt or figure out another way to attach it, I'll be set in that area.


The Icon vertical adapter and bottom part of the gas through were blue, but not the right color for the gun. Sooooo, I did some anno removing with Easy Off - let it set for a few minutes, rinse it off, spray it again, rinse it, continue until all the anno is gone, then polish with Mother's Mag aluminum wheel polish. Looks pretty good, with no pitting. I still have some polishing to do on the VA, but it looks pretty good, if I say so myself!

** By the way, the Trilogy PMP kit (about 46 bucks shipped) screws right into the LPC part of the VA. It doesn't screw all the way in, but with the oring on the front, I think it'll be fine. I was counting on this to make it work, and it does! However, I'm not a fan of the handle, and may just get a blue acrylic one from Wevo in a few weeks.


Anyway, it's a work in progress, and may take a few more weeks. My list of unfinished parts - which changes day to day - include:

* Blue ASA and rail
* Blue grips
* Blue pump handle
* Siver feed tube (from Wevo - 15 round stick feed)
* Feed tube cap
* Trilogy or T1 valve pin (in case modified one doesn't work)
* Chrome powerfeed plug (can't decide if I want this or not)


Obviously, I wanted to show off the beautiful blue color of the stock Sonix body (I've always thought it was the best color of all their guns, or any gun I've ever had!) The silver/chrome really sets it off. There is some slight variance in the colors between the grip frame, the back cap, the VA, the Freak back and the gas through, it's very slight and in the sun is very hard to distinguish.

When I finish it, I'll post more pics and maybe a video of it shooting. Ain't it a kick in the pants? :p

New pics and a video now! (This is more of a video on HOW I did it, with just a few shooting frames at the end. It's about 10 minutes long, so if you don't want to learn how I did it, don't watch! Oh, and I tried to do some music, but I failed....)

Click me for video! (http://media.putfile.com/Spyder-Pump)

The slot I cut actually looks a LOT better in person than it does on the video and in the pictures...Not sure why.





XSiv Force
04-28-2008, 04:05 PM
that is sexy....i really like that

04-28-2008, 04:20 PM
Old style Sonix body (remember the 200.00 Sonix? Yeah...)

<3! as soon as i saw the first pic, i went "no he didnt!" well, at least you found a good use for it after all these years. and definitely swap the pump handle.

04-28-2008, 04:26 PM
looks pretty nice, anything you could do with the front grip to make it a little more...sleek? i was never a fan of the big gas through grips...just my 2 cents

04-28-2008, 04:35 PM
i was curious as to what that DYE frame was going on... it looks real nice! i can't wait to see it in its finished state! a fore-warning though... those chrome frames like to stain/tarnish very easily, at least mine did and i'm a clean freak, so be mindful after a day of play to clean it well.


on a side note... is that a stock ooold Spyder trigger or PMI Perfect trigger? and if so, is it in working order?...

04-28-2008, 04:37 PM
the frame comment was my next one, but i forgot to add it.

i think vike said that its from his brother's classic frame, which he intends on returning to him, so i dont think its up for sale. but if it ever is, i'll take the classic body!

04-28-2008, 04:53 PM
Xsiv - ain't it? My wife's getting jealous since I seem to hold it more than I hold her, now.

aod - I don't know what kind of trigger it is. It has a big old trigger shoe on it though. It works great - only problem is that it's from my brother-in-laws gun. Eventually, it'll be mine - but right now, I'm just "borrowing" it. He doesn't know that yet, though.

applesauce - I'm not a big fan of the gas through either - but I was trying to save money. I found a CP gas through (similar to aod's) that I might get eventually. Right now, it serves it's purpose!

DF - oh yes I di-id! :) Yeah, the body was just laying around, and I'd sold all the parts off...

Just for the giggles - here's a time lapse of the ol' girl:

This is how it looked when I first got it many years ago. (I don't have any pics of my own of it in this state.


Soon after, it looked like this. Completely upgraded, modified trigger and board, low pressure, the works.


Followed shortly with this (apparently) memorable period of time - my woodsball days!


Then it went back to this when I found out about speedball for awhile.


Then it sat in pieces for a few years, slowly being sold off to fund my new found addiction to higher end guns...

Now, to the present - I just really like this picture for some reason...


04-28-2008, 05:01 PM
WOW really nice work Vike! That thing looks awesome!

04-28-2008, 05:59 PM
best $200 spyder pump I've seen, but seriously, it looks great

04-29-2008, 04:05 AM
Thanks guys! It did come out pretty well. I think I'll keep it!

04-29-2008, 04:59 AM
Vike I love it........

Wanna give her to me :) PPPLLLLEEEAAASSSEEEE

VS3 Sniper
04-29-2008, 07:28 AM
LOL Dan has enough guns......Give her to me :D

But it really looks great (hands down the best spyder pump I've seen).

04-29-2008, 08:25 AM
Hahaha! Should I give it to....nah, I think I'm going to keep it for awhile!

I really want to do a good job on this one. I just have to figure the pump arm part out and it'll be done.

Thanks for the props, fellows!

04-29-2008, 10:08 AM
Followed shortly with this (apparently) memorable period of time - my woodsball days!


and of course you can't forget this to go with it:

04-29-2008, 01:07 PM
Oh, my - that was a long time ago! Way before I played my first game of speedball...

Hahaha, I almost shot my wife when she popped out and snapped that picture of me! Scared her to death - and now that I think about it, she wasn't wearing a mask! Outlaw ball noob, gotta love em....

XSiv Force
04-29-2008, 01:11 PM
is that tape on the gun

04-29-2008, 01:19 PM
yup, camo tape

XSiv Force
04-29-2008, 01:20 PM
AHH i remember people making jokes about it a while ago.......

04-29-2008, 03:02 PM
I agree that the newest incarnation of the marker is the sweetest looking. The damn thing looks new off the showroom floor too!

04-29-2008, 03:21 PM
Whew, that looks pretty darn nifty. Care to share your plans? I'd like to do something similar. I've been planning on doing something like this for a while. I just never had the time and money. Seems pretty interesting, something I might want to carry out during the summer time.

Could you send it in a PM? I haven't been able to cruise on the forums lately because of school. AP tests in a week too. :[

04-29-2008, 04:11 PM
is that tape on the gun

Yup - but not just regular tape. It's the cloth kind that lasts forever - also added super ninja sniporz ability and haz give me teh l337 skls....

AHH i remember people making jokes about it a while ago.......

It was the schiz back in the day - the cloth formed perfectly, it didn't leave any residue and it was easy to trim with a Xacto knife.

I agree that the newest incarnation of the marker is the sweetest looking. The damn thing looks new off the showroom floor too!

Interesting fact - I've actually kept it in a box with tons of other parts for years - banging it around, dropping things on it - and it didn't scratch a bit. That was some tough anno Spyder used back then!

Whew, that looks pretty darn nifty. Care to share your plans? I'd like to do something similar. I've been planning on doing something like this for a while. I just never had the time and money. Seems pretty interesting, something I might want to carry out during the summer time.

Could you send it in a PM? I haven't been able to cruise on the forums lately because of school. AP tests in a week too. :[

No problem - but I don't really have the plans drawn up on paper. I actually just have it sort of designed in my head.

04-29-2008, 04:31 PM
Vike, two words: utter pwnage. /discussion.

04-29-2008, 06:32 PM
That is the prettiest Spyder pump EVER.

I needs to find me a Dye frame nowz. I've found something to do with my Victor... ;)

05-18-2008, 02:52 PM
vike, you could use this, if you can find one...

i've searched everywhere but cant seem to find a site that sells it. oops, nevermind, just searched pro-team again, and they still sell it! almost started dancing for joy!

attach a 10rd tube for when you want to play stock class.

Oscum Guy
05-23-2008, 07:26 PM
omg i love you

05-23-2008, 11:32 PM
What might work for a cocking rod...

...autococker cocking rod, modified bolt pin so that you can thread it into the bolt pin, and then thread it into the pump handle.

You're probably going to have to cut it down a little and re-thread it. Just an idea.

Another thing I thought I'd add, (but this will perminately change the body and you won't be able to switch back unless you shape some metal) you could take a hammer to the feed tube and knock it off. Then tap the holes in it for a Phantom or Buzzard stock class feed.

05-24-2008, 07:11 AM
The PMP kit actually comes with a pump rod, so I think I'm not going to worry about a cocking rod. If worse comes to worse, I can just use the screw that goes in the side of the hammer to cock it the first time.

I actually had already thought of doing that with the feed tube, but decided I really didn't want to mess the body up - keeping it as close to original as possible. The feed tube is going to look weird, but then isn't that what makes paintball modifications fun? The difference in the final product?

Update - I aired it up for the first time today and it seems to be working great. Shot about 30-40 shots through it (no paint). The blow back is totally disabled with the JB Weld modification and it seems to be holding up great. Still would like to have a T1 pin or Trilogy pin, but seems this will suffice for now. There MIGHT be a little hammer bounce, but I can't tell for sure. It's very, very minimal if there is any at all. In fact, I'm not even going to concern myself with it at this point since it's hard to tell if there's anything going on in there at all.

Note*** The PMP main pump handle rod (that the pump handle glides on) is NOT a perfect fit. As I noted before, it doesn't screw all the way in, but thought it would be ok with the distance it did actually screw in. However, when I slapped some Co2 on her, it started leaking from the threads. I put about 5 wraps of teflon tape on it, and that did the trick - no leaking anymore! Just thought I'd warn anyone who's thinking of doing this to their guns...

Now, since school's out, I'm going to work on connecting the pump rod to the bolt through the side of the body - this is the part I've been dreading a bit since once I drill the slot, there's not turning back! I'll post pics and possibly a vid of it in action once everything is completed...

06-11-2008, 06:14 PM
Update on progress:

Well, I milled a slot in the body today, and bent and attached the cocking rod. Oh lawd, it works! It looks pretty sweet, too, though I scratched up the back side of the body a bit - not sure how, I was being very careful. Oh, well. I had to add a different spring for the pump handle (one that was stiffer and longer) and I was a bit nervous about the pump rod, but it works great!

I'll post some new pictures and a video tomorrow (wife thinks it's silly taking pictures of my guns and posting them, so I'll do it when she's not here.) I'm missing a couple of parts - still need to get an ASA so I don't have to use my 3.5 oz bottle on the front, and I need some grips. Thinking of going with SPD grips, but not sure what to get yet.


For some reason, I can't get the thing to shoot faster than 150 fps. I've played with the spring combinations. I tried the medium main spring with the medium, lightest and stiffest valve springs, and then the stiffest main spring with all three valve springs, but I still can't get any more speed.

I wonder if it could be the lack of an LPC? The gun was designed to have one in it's original stock form. If it's that, would maybe adding a regulator help since it's sending a regulated blast of air into the valve?

What do you think?

The Pumper
06-11-2008, 06:18 PM
That is pretty sick!!
I'm jealous!
Make me one? :p

06-11-2008, 06:19 PM
I can't wait to see that finished product, sorry I can't help you w/ your fps problem

06-11-2008, 11:09 PM
I completely agree with your regulator assumption! It isn't just the spring holding the valve closed, it's also the air. By lowering the pressure that goes to it (down to, say, 400psi... just a number based on 'Cockers and their valves w/o LPC's), then it should result in a softer valve spring effect. Keep in mind that you want the valve spring stiffer than the main to prevent burping, so put in a light main and medium valve and mess with the pressure from there.

06-12-2008, 08:21 AM
The JB weld mod may have something to do with the low velocity, can you give me the full details of that? Any modification of a valve stem would be my first guess for low FPS.

06-12-2008, 09:00 AM
That's what I thought. I also wondered if maybe the parts aren't high flow enough, ie, I need to make the VA holes bigger, and possibly change the bolt. I'll see if I can't find a regulator somewhere that's somewhat cheap and matches the gun and go from there. It's hard to justify spending money on it any further since I don't have a field to play at anymore.

HDH - I show it, somewhat blurrily, in the video I made. I'm trying to condense it (photobucket only takes 100 MB files, and the video I made is 200+ MB...dang it. Basically, all I did was scuff up the flat part of the valve stem with a file, then mix the JB weld and put it on - after it dried a little bit I shaped it to be roundish, then when it completely cured after a few days, I sanded it down to be round and fit the valve hole. Doesn't seem to be causing any problems - that and getting rid of the striker oring got rid of the blowback function completely.

I'm working on the video right now guys, so give me a couple hours and I'll have it up. It's nothing special - I just like playing around!

The Pumper
06-12-2008, 09:02 AM
Make a youtube account. Takes a few seconds and you can put 100x bigger videos than photobucket. Its worth it. ;)

06-12-2008, 12:27 PM
I need to do that. But I get a bit irritated at youtube. Don't know why, but I just don't like it for some reason...

Actually, I redid the video and tried putting it up on Photobucket again. They said it hit their filter for questionable content, hahaha!

I'm putting it up on Putfile right now.

I have new pictures up on the front page, and I'm waiting for the video to download. Forgive me for the video, though. It turned into a "How To" instead of just a video of it shooting. Not sure why, but it just happened. It's about 10 minutes, and I tried adding some music at the beginning and ending (just something I grabbed quickly out of my music files) but I think I failed at it...

Click me for video! (http://media.putfile.com/Spyder-Pump)

Here are the new pictures...





The Pumper
06-12-2008, 12:33 PM
photobucket sucks for videos.
Pictures i have a ton on, but only one video. Its only like 3.5 mins long so its not too bad

06-12-2008, 12:47 PM
nice. :up: :up:

The Pumper
06-12-2008, 01:18 PM
i cant view it

06-12-2008, 01:19 PM
Why not? Is it giving you an error message?

The Pumper
06-12-2008, 01:23 PM
its got the red X stuff. Poo!

06-12-2008, 01:29 PM
Well, I thought I'd go do a youtube account just for you, ;), but it appears I already had an account! Man, how long ago was that? I don't even remember it!

Anyways, I'm uploading it there now for you.

The Pumper
06-12-2008, 01:42 PM
What a great guy. ;)
But youre much better than an impulse. heh

06-12-2008, 01:50 PM
Hehehe! Sometimes I feel like an old impulse!

Try this out for size.

<object width="425" height="350"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/IdLcDy-4et0"> </param> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/IdLcDy-4et0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="350"> </embed> </object>

Edit - I think it's not working yet because it's still processing - give it some time...

The Pumper
06-12-2008, 01:57 PM
I try alot of things on for size.;)

i think you grabbed the wrong one tho

06-12-2008, 02:15 PM
Dang it. Try this one, now...


The Pumper
06-12-2008, 02:19 PM
your gun was so shiny i could see you n your camera lol

06-12-2008, 02:50 PM
nice job

The Pumper
06-12-2008, 02:53 PM
im guessing this is a one way type deal?
you cant reverse it

06-12-2008, 03:04 PM
Left you a comment.

06-12-2008, 03:38 PM
IMO it's either the valve stem or lack of an LPR. I would say probably the valve stem. If it's catching while it's sliding it may not be open long enough to get the ball to 300fps.

06-12-2008, 06:38 PM
Good point. I'll check it again, but I don't think it's catching. I'd really like to get a T1 valve stem so if anyone knows of one, let me know!

I'm hoping the LPC issue will be resolved when I add a regulator or a gas through (since I'm not using either one right now.)

It's only one way with the striker. Fortunately, I have two other perfectly fine strikers so if I want to go back to the way it was I'll be ok. The slot cut in the side won't affect it any since the air passage and orings are in front of the slot...

The Pumper
06-12-2008, 06:41 PM
hey vike wanna make some $$ :p

06-12-2008, 06:43 PM
Ok, but I'm not selling myself for money again....

The Pumper
06-12-2008, 06:45 PM
Silly Vike. ;)

06-12-2008, 07:12 PM
Hmm, good point. You did polish it, though... Hmmm... I have a T1 valve and a 'Cocker valve, time to whip them and the calipers out and see how it'll work.