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xxcarlosxx
03-29-2008, 09:36 PM
i was thinking that the next thing i might upgrade on my pilot would be the drop forward because i feel that the gun sits too high when the tank is resting in front of my shoulder. would i need to get THIS (http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=y6qvItIMgKOv1ZXj3IVvitjFbuoa_hEQDBE=?Pro ductID=WY6sFAY7%2egQAAAD3NOalA_2s) if i wanted a drop forward:confused:

Which other upgrades should i consider? (my sig lists what i already have) keep in mind that I'm only a recreational player

vikingshadow
03-30-2008, 07:06 AM
A drop forward is actually going to raise your gun higher. What it does is move the gun closer to your face, not lower the height. If you want a shorter gun, and have it closer to you I'd suggest a rail, like this one (http://www.punisherspb.com/smart-parts-s-rail-black.aspx). I have it, and it's a great rail. Moves your tank forward (or backward if you need a longer set up) and doesn't raise the height of your gun.

However, if your gun has the offset holes like most spyders, then yes, you're going to need that adapter.

Looking at your list of upgrades, I'd suggest a regulator built for handling both Co2 and HPA, like the BL Torpedo or the Palmer's Stabilizer. Unless you really don't use the Co2 and just your HPA, then I'd get a different reg like the CP or Hyper II reg (although all four I mentioned are really good regs.)

You might also do some of Otter's mods (http://www.ottersccustoms.com/spyder.html), lighten your microswitch (http://www.spyder.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=4961), shorten the feedneck on your Egg, or get a barrel kit since playing rec, you never know what size paint you're going to get (at least I didn't.)

Most of all, just have fun with your gun!

Kenny's pilot
03-30-2008, 08:41 AM
I like having a drop forward on my pilot. It centers the weight instead of having all the weight at the end of the gun.
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/621023/fullsize/kennys-599.jpg

Sandman_Bravo
03-30-2008, 10:02 AM
I put a rail on my pilot. I took everything off the gripframe and lined up one of the existing screw holes with the new rail, marked the other hole, and drilled. I replaced the nuts in the gripframe that hold the rail or drop and bolted it up. This brings the tank up and in to the marker. For me, it puts my tank right in my armpit/shoulder.

xxcarlosxx
03-30-2008, 12:47 PM
A drop forward is actually going to raise your gun higher. What it does is move the gun closer to your face, not lower the height. If you want a shorter gun, and have it closer to you I'd suggest a rail, like this one (http://www.punisherspb.com/smart-parts-s-rail-black.aspx). I have it, and it's a great rail. Moves your tank forward (or backward if you need a longer set up) and doesn't raise the height of your gun.


dam that is a nice rail i liked this (http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=kch2BszzzMl3loscfL62rsY6gwp_Gk1Ckh0=?Pro ductID=tH7AqArbJVgAAAEY3La4jPGN) one also... y do sum ppl say that the tank's gauge gets in the way?? is that really a problem??? and were does the tank screw into it??

i might cut the eggys feedneck too...

idk about the microswitch becuz i dont wanna mess wit the electronics

my dad could easily drill holes on it.. but i dont wanna mess wit the electronics (is it easy to dissasemble electronics in the pilot??)

thnxs for all the inputs guys!! ur the best!!

druid
03-30-2008, 01:30 PM
dam that is a nice rail i liked this (http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=kch2BszzzMl3loscfL62rsY6gwp_Gk1Ckh0=?Pro ductID=tH7AqArbJVgAAAEY3La4jPGN) one also...

1. y do sum ppl say that the tank's gauge gets in the way??

2. is that really a problem???

3. and were does the tank screw into it??

i might cut the eggys feedneck too...

idk about the microswitch becuz i dont wanna mess wit the electronics

4. my dad could easily drill holes on it.. but i dont wanna mess wit the electronics (is it easy to dissasemble electronics in the pilot??)

thnxs for all the inputs guys!! ur the best!!

1. Depending on the size of the tank gauge, depends on whether or not it will hit the drop as you screw in the tank. Some caged asa's (like the Unimount) are adjustable to about 1/2" so that shouldn't be too much an issue unless you get a drop/asa combo that screws the asa directly to the drop (in contrast to an asa with a cage that screws to the drop instead) like CPs.
2. See answer #1
3. I don't quite follow what you are asking...the tank just screws into the asa/on-off...whatever's at the bottom of the drop...
4. Two screws dismount the board from the gripframe and all you have to do then is unplug the wire harnesses from the board.

xxcarlosxx
03-30-2008, 01:58 PM
i might just drill the holes then...

and how do i know if my tank gauge will fit or not??

does the stock ASA fit these drops or rails?

vikingshadow
03-30-2008, 02:13 PM
That rail is also a good one - it puts a little more of a drop on it. What druid said on the tank gauge. You just have to screw it in to see how far it goes in. If you have to, you can adjust your ASA forward or backward, depending on where you want it.

You really can't mess up your microswitch - I've done nearly 70-80 of them over the years. Anything you do, MOST anything, can easily be undone. It doesn't really mess with the electronics either. Just the spring and such inside the switch. But, that's totally up to you.

Cutting the feedneck can lower your loader height by as much as 1/2 to 3/4. I always get a kick out of someone playing with their loader 6 inches above their head. They'll always get hit there!

xxcarlosxx
03-30-2008, 03:19 PM
Cutting the feedneck can lower your loader height by as much as 1/2 to 3/4. I always get a kick out of someone playing with their loader 6 inches above their head. They'll always get hit there!

OMG it looks SO SIK!!!! i just did it right now!


what does modding the microswitch do?? it looks pretty complicated

DFSniper
03-30-2008, 03:35 PM
it basically reduces the pressure needed to trip the switch.

Hossy
03-30-2008, 03:42 PM
Anything you do, MOST anything, can easily be undone.
the only thing that you cant undo happens when u touch a dremel.

If you have a sn, IM me on JumboShrimp32. I have a few questions, Carlos, and if you have any ill answer them.

vikingshadow
03-30-2008, 05:09 PM
what does modding the microswitch do?? it looks pretty complicated

Not complicated at all. Just open it up, bend a connector, close it back up again and test it...if it's too light, open it back up and bend it back a little bit, so on and so forth.

It makes it a lot lighter than the stock one. Makes it easier to walk, so you can get a faster rate of fire.

Hossy
03-30-2008, 05:23 PM
I like having a drop forward on my pilot. It centers the weight instead of having all the weight at the end of the gun.
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/621023/fullsize/kennys-599.jpg


it also makes it look fugly, imo
I talked to you online, and also i would suggest the microswitch thing. Vike gave you directions, its not hard and works good.

DFSniper
03-30-2008, 05:45 PM
i used to play with that exact same drop, but besides that fact that its not that great, its also harder to play with when you play right. unless you have really short arms, it'll feel awkward with the back of your gun against your chest and the tank in your stomach. shoulder the tank is a much better technique. but if you want a drop like that, i'll sell you mine.

xxcarlosxx
03-30-2008, 07:59 PM
id rather have it rest on my shoulder thats why i want sumthing small like this (http://www.ansgear.com/Dye_Mini_Drop_Forward_Black_p/dyedropminiblk.htm)... what ASAs would you guys recommend ?

DFSniper
03-30-2008, 08:04 PM
i would just get this (http://www.compulsivepaintball.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=14197) and let it be over with.

xxcarlosxx
03-30-2008, 08:15 PM
i'll see... thnxs for everything guys!

vikingshadow
03-30-2008, 08:22 PM
^^^That one's interesting - I've never seen it before. I wonder how it performs? Is it an on/off?

I've used NDZ on/off ASA's for several years now. So smooth it's like butta! Also, not very expensive...

Old style (http://www.punisherspb.com/new-designz-ez-turn-on-off-w-air-bleed-off-black.aspx)

New style (http://www.punisherspb.com/new-designz-ez-qwik-flip-08-on-off-asa-dust-black.aspx)

Cool new asa adapter so that you won't have that pesky guage hitting the grip problem! (http://www.punisherspb.com/new-designz-asa-extention-kit-black.aspx)

bigred76
03-30-2008, 10:52 PM
The DP RAPS? Yeah, it's a lever actuated on/off with a bleed. Works great! I think Druid actually did a review on one in the Reviews Section. I liked it on the Threshold I had, it never gave me any troubles at all.