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Quick_2
12-31-2007, 11:50 AM
Since you veterans have so much expirience ithought you owuld be able to help me with this... is it better to keep my slightly upped Spyder MR1 or go with a Cheap EP SP Vibe?... i dont think i'll every be needing 11bps so the vibe is my type of gun... but i still like the reliability of my MR1... so should i go with teh new EP Vibe or stick with my Mech MR1?

The Pumper
12-31-2007, 11:54 AM
stick with mr1

vwjimmy
12-31-2007, 11:55 AM
If you are happy with the MR....why spend more money? You could get some other cool stuff with the $$ instead!
If you are upgrading or switching markers anyway, then you need to fire both and decide!
Good luck either way!

Quick_2
12-31-2007, 12:37 PM
I play speedball in the woods.. so im looking for a few more bps and a muych easier trigger pull... i know that i wouldn't have any trouble sticking with the mr1 and i would probly be just fine... but i also know eventually i will have to upgrade anyway.. and since my only oprion for air is co2 because the HPA station closest to me is 100km+...the vibe is a great choice for me that way... i might be able to take some shots from a Vibe on wednesday so i'll see..

pb34
12-31-2007, 12:40 PM
Well if you want electronic you could always buy an electric trigger frame for the MR1. If your happy with the way its performing I would save the money and just buy some upgrades!

chnk
12-31-2007, 12:47 PM
the vibe would be basically the same as adding an eframe to your mr1, not that big of an upgrade.

if you're gonna upgrade to a better gun. aim for a higher end

Critical
12-31-2007, 12:51 PM
Several of the SP1/Vibe owners have reported that there are issues with freezing of the regulator when using CO2 if they get anywhere near the 11bps cap. Now, no one has confirmed whether or not they were using anti-siphons on their bottles, so that may have had something to do with it, but it's something to think about.

druid
12-31-2007, 02:07 PM
Questions/comments numbered and answered accordingly...because of the whiners that hate me changing font colors...

Since you veterans have so much expirience ithought you owuld be able to help me with this...

1. is it better to keep my slightly upped Spyder MR1 or go with a Cheap EP SP Vibe?...
2. i dont think i'll every be needing 11bps so the vibe is my type of gun...
3. but i still like the reliability of my MR1...
4. so should i go with teh new EP Vibe or stick with my Mech MR1?

1. If there's nothing wrong with your MR1 then there's no real 'need' to replace it.
The only reason for getting __insert marker here__ is to
A: have something different to shoot
B: have a back-up marker "just in case" the MR1 goes down
C: have multiple markers to fulfill the varied applications of them (woodsball, recball, speedball, scenario, etc...)

2. The SP1 might be a better choice because it's easier to maintain than the vibe. Having the same basic internals as the Ion/Vibe/EOS, I'd go with the SP1, simply for the BOB option and the ~$150 price tag.

3. Read my answer #1

4. That's entirely up to you. You need to decide what is best for you.

Don't fall into the "pro-vs.-con" hype of the fanboi agglets, with preconceived notions about a marker or company they know little or nothing about. My favorite of all time is the 11 year old player (with a whole year of playing under his belt...but has all the paintball knowledge ever gained...imparted to them by God, while they were still in the womb ::eyeroll:: ) - that talks **** about Smart Parts' business practices and yet owns everything else by Virtue, Kee/NPS, Halo/Empire - whomever - that they glorify these other products and condemn another company.

...they need to STFU and realize that all the big companies are doing it and either accept it or get out of the game all together.

Look into the SP1...or any other marker for that matter. See if you can shoot one at a proshop. Determine then if it's what you want.


1. Several of the SP1/Vibe owners have reported that there are issues with freezing of the regulator when using CO2 if they get anywhere near the 11bps cap.
2. Now, no one has confirmed whether or not they were using anti-siphons on their bottles, so that may have had something to do with it, but it's something to think about.

1. Yes...but you can have that with any marker with CO2...including the least expensive mech-framed Spyders...or E-framed spyders. Any regulator, even those specifically designed for CO2, will freeze at higher rates of fire.
2. It's likely that the noobletts that reported it did NOT antisiphon their CO2 as probably instructed to at least 50 times each - so you are probably right.

Even WITH antisiphon, the CO2's still extremely cold. All the antisiphon does is draw the gas off the top of the tank instead of the liquid. Even though it's already changed somewhat to gas, it's still expanding as it enters the asa...and it's still extremely cold....so it's extremely likely the simple fact that it's CO2. Had the cheap bastards used HPA (like they know they should), there would be nothing "bad" to report and sway public opinion.

Quick_2
12-31-2007, 02:14 PM
Hem Hem.... also considering the fact that us cheappies cant get access to HPA... becuase it's more than an hour drive... anyways... if i got it i would already have a new set of grips for it to... i'd love to go to a shop and shoot one... if there wasa shop near me... so im going to the city wednesday so i'll try my hardest to shoot one... how much easier is a electric trigger liuke the opne on the vibe to pull than a mechanical...

Critical
12-31-2007, 04:20 PM
I don't think that Druid is saying you are cheap, but that those who reported problems with freezing on their EP markers without taking all the precautions neccessary. However, you are faced with the choice of purchasing a marker that works far better on air than CO2, or upgrading your current marker (or purchasing an electro Spyder/similar) that runs perfectly fine on CO2 and you don't have to worry about anti-siphons, freezing, limiting rate of fire, etc.

Quick_2
12-31-2007, 05:54 PM
What electronic spyder would you recommend to me that would run perfectly fine on co2?
of course i know that they aren't going to run perfect but something that runs decent enough for the average user like me?
In a gun i want something without much kick but im looking more for a short trigger pull... which i could get with any adjustable trigger... somthing that does 10bps or so... i know i wont be using that 10bps all the time and if i do i wont be holding it for long... also somthing not too too expensive maybe $200 max... any suggestions?

tater_salad
12-31-2007, 06:29 PM
You can get a Pilot for $80 on Action Villlage.

http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=-5iqWziA8ZeqW3_5SPlq8zJUBHUziKJtV-s=?ProductID=L83AqArbbkYAAAEDASTO1WtJ

Quick_2
12-31-2007, 07:02 PM
On The other hand though... i could stick with my MR1... with that money i could invest in some reballs or something... i have another question... where my bolt is there are some scratches on the internals of the gun not on the bolt but on the inside where the tip of the bolt would be there are about two scratches along the wall... is this from dirt? the bolt? or is it just normal... back to the gun... im starting to think now that maybe if i just modded the trigger to reduce front slack and back slack i could stick with it.. and just go with some paint and air and have fun and learn... i think that would be the best.

Kenny_McCormic
12-31-2007, 07:40 PM
VS1 over vibe any day. The internals in a gen 1 spyder can run strait liquid co2 if you want to. Vibe is a rip off compared to a VS1, the VS1 is simpler, has eyes, a better stock board and is MADE to run co2 not adapted and rigged up using 90s technology on modern parts. The scratches on the bolt are normal, its a design flaw and thye only design flaw you will find in a STBB, while its firing it also recocks at the same time, upward force on the bolt from the valve pushes up on the bolt while its dragged across the top tube causing nasty looking wear, this can be fixed with a derlin bolt.

druid
01-01-2008, 01:45 AM
I don't think that Druid is saying you are cheap, but that those who reported problems with freezing on their EP markers without taking all the precautions neccessary.

That's correct. I was NOT calling the poster cheap...I was making a general reference about those little Nation agglets that don't listen worth a damn.

What electronic spyder would you recommend to me that would run perfectly fine on co2?
of course i know that they aren't going to run perfect but something that runs decent enough for the average user like me?
In a gun i want something without much kick but im looking more for a short trigger pull... which i could get with any adjustable trigger... somthing that does 10bps or so... i know i wont be using that 10bps all the time and if i do i wont be holding it for long... also somthing not too too expensive maybe $200 max... any suggestions?

Your marker, if upgraded with an E-Frame, will be absolutely fine.

You should antisiphon your Co2 bottles anyway and regardless of what marker you are using that is NEWER THAN the year 2000.

OLD markers worked on CO2 that was liquified...like OLD Tippys, OLD PMI's, OLD pump guns...etc. They had a tendency to have brass cupseals (or 'valve plates') and only a few O-Rings...as opposed to today's world of <8 Orings, delrin/plastic internals, etc...

I highly suggest you have a proshop or other airsmith perform the antisiphon job for you but if that's impossible, perhaps you can get someone mechanically inclined to perform the task. I listed a tutorial on how to antisiphon a CO2 bottle so search my username and find it...I think it's in the "air" section of this forum...

EDIT: Found it...... Click HERE (http://smartcorps.smartparts.com/forum/showthread.htm?t=281)

newkid
01-01-2008, 08:19 AM
E-frame your MR1 and you'd be good to go

Quick_2
01-01-2008, 10:05 AM
The only thing about e-framing it is that the grips i have now are for a .45 frame and they wouldn't fit the e-frame.. not that i couldn't sell them though... i could e-frame it... i just need a bit of money first..

newkid
01-01-2008, 07:36 PM
The only thing about e-framing it is that the grips i have now are for a .45 frame and they wouldn't fit the e-frame.. not that i couldn't sell them though... i could e-frame it... i just need a bit of money first..
it'd be cheaper than buying a whole new gun

chnk
01-01-2008, 08:12 PM
if you want a good gun that runs good off co2 look at the mags

Kenny_McCormic
01-01-2008, 08:58 PM
I was told mags hate CO2.

chnk
01-01-2008, 09:09 PM
well those are the few high ends i know that can at least run co2 without having to worry about a blown solenoid