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PRoBoxer18
12-08-2007, 05:50 PM
Can you run C02 on a Proto Rail?

newkid
12-08-2007, 06:18 PM
no

PRoBoxer18
12-08-2007, 06:19 PM
What happens if you do? Will it just ruin your gun?

SupaSnipa
12-08-2007, 06:26 PM
The solenoids on high ends like the PM/DM markers or any high end for that matter cant take that, it will in theory freeze the internals

Kenny_McCormic
12-08-2007, 07:39 PM
You WILL blow your noid.

Hob Hayward
12-08-2007, 08:13 PM
Noids don't blow, the seal in them do...

In any case, I wouldn;t risk it, unless you were running anti siphoned co2, and had swapped the reg for a stab, even then, I wouldn't risk it.

The SLG, is a completely different story though, if you swapped regs out and used anti-siphoned co2, you could probably get away with it.

bigred76
12-08-2007, 11:22 PM
The solenoids on all electronic markers that use a pnuematic solenoid cannot use CO2. The CO2 will either freeze and destroy the seals inside the 'noid, or the sheer causticness of the gas will destroy the fragile o-rings (especially with shoddy fills). Either way, definitely not a good idea.

PRoBoxer18
12-09-2007, 09:30 AM
Well why I ask this is because I was going to buy a Proto Rail if it could run on CO2. If it couldnt I as going to buy a Smarts Parts Epiph. Those can run on Co2 correct?

NeedForSpeed
12-09-2007, 09:58 AM
If you want to use an electro marker with Co2, buy a VS1. Why the push for CO2? Does your field fill compressed air? If so..buy an hpa tank. It's worth the money. Then you can use almost any marker you want.

newkid
12-09-2007, 03:58 PM
anti-siphone CO2

Hob Hayward
12-09-2007, 04:49 PM
Anti-siphon is better, but not perfect.

Don't run an epiph on co2 - just a bad idea. If you really want to run CO2 on a higher end marker, the only one that I would risk it on is the SLG...

Even still, you're guranteed to have to drop a new reg in, with that money you could just buy a 50/3k...

newkid
12-09-2007, 05:06 PM
If I I'm not mistaken(I might be) the epiphany is internally the same as the ion, an ion can work with anti-siphone CO2 tank http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=Q9bAqGy4cWzAKyvk3Z8AAGZxURTJtC_BSP8=?Pro ductID=I0XAqArbomIAAAERQWAXKjhX

oldironmudder
12-09-2007, 05:20 PM
To run Co2 on any FASOR or EP marker, your best bet it to use dual Palmer Stabs, anti-siphoned tank. And if possible a Micro Rock LPR from Palmer.

I got away with just an anti-siphon tube & a dirty Torpedo on my EM1 but I dont want to push my luck til I get 3 Palmers.

SupaSnipa
12-09-2007, 05:45 PM
To run Co2 on any FASOR or EP marker, your best bet it to use dual Palmer Stabs, anti-siphoned tank. And if possible a Micro Rock LPR from Palmer.

I got away with just an anti-siphon tube & a dirty Torpedo on my EM1 but I dont want to push my luck til I get 3 Palmers.

That will not always work and still would't want to risk it

oldironmudder
12-09-2007, 06:23 PM
Two stage regulation will provide approximately 25 times greater control and consistency of the supply pressure that is allowed into the paintgun. Expansion chambers can't even hope to block liquid CO2 the way the that the Stabilizer can, thus virtually eliminating the chance of "hot-gun" penalties.


Taken from Palmer site here. (http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/cart/index.php?main_page=page&id=1&chapter=1&zenid=493454600744206057718948be0a5253) So an anti-siphon plus a LPR will have even better control and lessen the chance of Co2 getting to the noid.

SupaSnipa
12-09-2007, 06:26 PM
I guess I was a bit bias towards CO2 but me personally I like to play it safe, I wouldnt run anything high end on co2. Besides, for like $40 you can get an HPA tank

oldironmudder
12-09-2007, 06:29 PM
I guess I was a bit bias towards CO2 but me personally I like to play it safe, I wouldnt run anything high end on co2. Besides, for like $40 you can get an HPA tank


True but if you totally stuck with Co2 or have 2 20lbs tanks sitting in your extra bathroom that get filled for cheap why swap?

chnk
12-09-2007, 06:43 PM
dual palmers, antiphon, maybe even a remote and you might be good

bigred76
12-09-2007, 11:02 PM
To answer your question about the Epiphany, I'll quote myself:

The solenoids on all electronic markers that use a pnuematic solenoid cannot use CO2.

SupaSnipa and Mudder are both right. It all comes down to the matter of price, though. $200 for some regulators, or $100 down to $40 for an HPA tank? Really, I'd just spend the $100 and get a 68/45 used from someone on PBN that's got a hydro date in 2010+. :rolleyes:

PRoBoxer18
12-10-2007, 11:47 AM
Well my problem is the nearest place to fill my Air tanks, the place is 45 min away. Thats why I am kind of stuck with Co2

Hob Hayward
12-10-2007, 01:09 PM
Like I've been saying, the SLG is your best bet if you can only run CO2. Primrily becasue its a sear tripper with no LPR, and no pneumatic noid.

But even still, only if you run anti-siphoned, and a LP palmers stab....

bigred76
12-10-2007, 01:13 PM
If that's your main problem, and you can't get it at the field, then enjoy the markers that you can use CO2 on. :) Mags, the SLG, 'Cockers, all of them can use CO2 and all are good guns. Heck, I bet you could use CO2 on a SF Trilogy 'Cocker if you wanted electronic.

tater_salad
12-10-2007, 01:20 PM
Well my problem is the nearest place to fill my Air tanks, the place is 45 min away. Thats why I am kind of stuck with Co2

Buy a scuba tank and a fill station?

http://www.spyder.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=7921

SupaSnipa
12-10-2007, 02:05 PM
Dangit, Tater beat me to it! :yeahthat:
Just get a nice used tank and then buy a scuba tank and adapter and youre all set

kramernator
12-11-2007, 06:38 AM
that is a good idea except that a scuba tank and the whole setup will run you about $4,000 at least

bigred76
12-11-2007, 01:05 PM
Eh, not that much... Probably more like $150 per bottle, with 2 bottles, a fill station's about $100, count in some misc hosing, about $50, and it comes out to $450. ;)