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jakobe
10-20-2007, 11:54 AM
welp , I finally got around to ordering and installing my mods.
heres a list

Spyder MR1

- j&J 14" ceramic barrel
- Kingman rocking E-trigger **2.0** (brand new 50$ off ebay)
- alamo city low blow delrin bolt w.orings
- alamo city light weight striker 11/16 w.orings
- heavy red spring
- bob long detents
- HALO hopper w/v35
- Trinity solid feedneck
- RAP co2 bottle gauge
- hater sauce gun lube
- dye espyder sticky grips
- 24oz co2 bottle (although I find the 20oz is just as good)

I still have to add an expansion chamber and a regulator
no plans to upgrade to compresed air or a remote

no sights
no rails
no stock
no extra handles
no straps
no extra dohickeys at all
no nuthin to slow me down and keep me from punishing you

total invested so far $480.00

vikingshadow
10-20-2007, 12:01 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/vikingshadow/smilies/thisthreadisworthless.gif

MVS1
10-20-2007, 12:57 PM
:applause: vike you've out done yourself with that one

vikingshadow
10-20-2007, 01:16 PM
Hahaha, while I'd like to take credit, this is not my creation.

But, seriously, where's the pictar?!?!?!?!

weitjosh
10-20-2007, 03:51 PM
pictar vike? sound like some barbarian on neverwinter nights haha

jakobe
10-21-2007, 01:31 PM
working on a custom paintjob this week..having my graphic designer airbrush my company logo on it right now.

once its done I'll upload pics.

jakobe
10-27-2007, 02:31 PM
my graphic guy is lazy and dint get my job in so I got the gun back for a game tom.

Heres a few pics with the hopper

http://www.the5syndicate.com/paintball/mr1_1.jpg
http://www.the5syndicate.com/paintball/mr1_2.jpg
http://www.the5syndicate.com/paintball/mr1_3.jpg

AMP Warrior
10-27-2007, 07:26 PM
What is the eframe?
Is it the one that comes with the trigger.
Oh and gun is awsome

jakobe
10-27-2007, 10:51 PM
What is the eframe?
Is it the one that comes with the trigger.
Oh and gun is awsome

eframe is the whole trigger assembly...it converts the gun from plain mechanical to eletrical/mechanical...basically a solenoid that rapidly engages the sear to trip the bolt very very fast...this enable full auto settings and 3/6 shot burst as well as the ability to control the bps incrementaly. you get a little led digital readout of what setting your on.

look a the bottom of your mr1..you wil see 2 hex bolts holding your entire trigger frame on..thats what the kit replaces the entire frame and trigger all in one neat little assembly.
also comes with a new striker and new acs bolt and a 9v battery with a charger.

I have used kingmans esp frames for many years and found them very durable as long as moisture and paint are kept out.

I put better grips on mine as the factory grips are flimsy and have gaps in them where paint can get in and damage the board...

my grips were only $25 and are super comfy

got my eframe kit on ebay for 50.00 new

theres one on sale now for 59.95 new

the eframe on my gun is the Kingman ESP rocking trigger **2.0** camd

AMP Warrior
10-28-2007, 11:48 AM
i know what an eframe is. Oh wait, is esp the same thing as eframe? What i wanted to know was where did you get it and what kind is it? And what did you do about the drop forward? all the eframes i have looked at had offset screw holes, the MR1 drop forward and the stock frame have them in the middle.

AMP Warrior
10-28-2007, 11:50 AM
"the eframe on my gun is the Kingman ESP rocking trigger **2.0** camd"
Missed that part. SO most of my post is worthless.
But what did you do about the drop forward?

DRCeccato
10-29-2007, 03:36 PM
There's a CP Inline adapter that has inline holes and recessed offset holes that connect to the bottom of the e-frame. They run about ~$10 online.

AMP Warrior
10-29-2007, 06:27 PM
sweet, thanks.

oldironmudder
10-29-2007, 06:32 PM
There's a CP Inline adapter that has inline holes and recessed offset holes that connect to the bottom of the e-frame. They run about ~$10 online.

Like the one I have forsale!!!

chnk
10-29-2007, 07:09 PM
"the eframe on my gun is the Kingman ESP rocking trigger **2.0** camd"
Missed that part. SO most of my post is worthless.
But what did you do about the drop forward?

ESP and CAMD are the same frames, whats different are the boards,

the ESP is older, and cpped at 13 bps i believe, and uses a LED christmas light like display to show modes,

the CAMD is a newer board, capped at 20 bps, the CAMd uses a led lighted display to show modes and bps

both have 3/6 burst, full auto, and semi,

both use a button to switch modes

jakobe
10-31-2007, 08:04 AM
ESP and CAMD are the same frames, whats different are the boards,

the ESP is older, and cpped at 13 bps i believe, and uses a LED christmas light like display to show modes,

the CAMD is a newer board, capped at 20 bps, the CAMd uses a led lighted display to show modes and bps

both have 3/6 burst, full auto, and semi,

both use a button to switch modes


My old esp frame(s) doesnt have the 6 shot burst only 3


The CAMD system is much smoother and you can select your bps as well..from as low as 6 to the programmed 13..and then in semi as fast as you can ull the trigger

but no actual setting for 20bps or any higher ..this is acheived from the reactive trigger pulls in semi.

and I made a mistake according to my manual this is the CAMD 3.0 system not the 2.0

Kingman states that it can achieve 30bps ..although i dont think its humanly possible to rock the trigger that fast.

heres some pics

new CAMD 3.0
http://www.the5syndicate.com/paintball/mr1_3.jpg

http://www.the5syndicate.com/paintball/mr1_4.jpg

old esp frame (w/new style flimsy grips, but better than the old clear ones)
http://www.the5syndicate.com/paintball/mr1_5.jpg

jakobe
10-31-2007, 08:06 AM
"the eframe on my gun is the Kingman ESP rocking trigger **2.0** camd"
Missed that part. SO most of my post is worthless.
But what did you do about the drop forward?

yes indeed it is offset on the frame and the drop forward is inline

so,
I bolted one hole up and I just drilled 1 hole and tapped it.
cost about 5 cents

chnk
10-31-2007, 05:49 PM
My old esp frame(s) doesnt have the 6 shot burst only 3


The CAMD system is much smoother and you can select your bps as well..from as low as 6 to the programmed 13..and then in semi as fast as you can ull the trigger

but no actual setting for 20bps or any higher ..this is acheived from the reactive trigger pulls in semi.

and I made a mistake according to my manual this is the CAMD 3.0 system not the 2.0

Kingman states that it can achieve 30bps ..although i dont think its humanly possible to rock the trigger that fast.

heres some pics

new CAMD 3.0
http://www.the5syndicate.com/paintball/mr1_3.jpg

http://www.the5syndicate.com/paintball/mr1_4.jpg

old esp frame (w/new style flimsy grips, but better than the old clear ones)
http://www.the5syndicate.com/paintball/mr1_5.jpg

its possible here is what you would have to do

1 - get a rubberband and tie it so it holds one of the triggers back to the frame,

2 - get a tboard or some other board, and program it to response mode or ramping,

3 - walk the trigger

now for the math

1 pull = 1 shot + another 1 shot from the other rocker switch + another 2 bps from the the board being set on ramp,

x this buy how fast you can walk = either a blender or pwnage on the feild

jakobe
10-31-2007, 07:15 PM
its possible here is what you would have to do

1 - get a rubberband and tie it so it holds one of the triggers back to the frame,

2 - get a tboard or some other board, and program it to response mode or ramping,

3 - walk the trigger

now for the math

1 pull = 1 shot + another 1 shot from the other rocker switch + another 2 bps from the the board being set on ramp,

x this buy how fast you can walk = either a blender or pwnage on the feild

okay, so like I said its not humanly possible to pull the trigger on your own that fast.

I dunno maybe its just me but,

I dont see any where in my spyder manual that says "rubberband and aftermarket board from another manufacturer needed to achieve the 30 bps rof".

I have searched and search for those who have actually achieved and documented this rof..nobody has...
at least nobody has and documented it.

and I seriously doubt that some nimble fingered person will ever be able to consistantly do it and do it accurately during a game.


Some say they "think" they got close but arent sure
wtf..? you think you got close?
..lemme see was that um 23 balls a sec or 27
dam I lost count........."hey mom, I need more paintballs"

Its just not humanly possible to click those rockers or rock those clickers 30x in one second
you'd have to have fingers like hummingbird wings.
(which btw beat at up to 50x per second)

and I havent checked but I'm thinkin that there arent many "concert pianists slash pro woodsballers" out there.

this board has no ramping function..so it doesnt "build up" speed
the rocking trigger is really no different than a regular trig..it just rocks and has 2 switchs..same internals..same solenoid.

so if the rocking frame can acheive 30bps then a regular ESP frame should be able to as well, right?.. or at least come very close
the internals can surely handle it..why?....because they are the SAME!


plus do you think you can beat this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og9ccsb1v6o

chnk
10-31-2007, 08:38 PM
okay, so like I said its not humanly possible to pull the trigger on your own that fast.

I dunno maybe its just me but,

I dont see any where in my spyder manual that says "rubberband and aftermarket board from another manufacturer needed to achieve the 30 bps rof".

I have searched and search for those who have actually achieved and documented this rof..nobody has...
at least nobody has and documented it.

and I seriously doubt that some nimble fingered person will ever be able to consistantly do it and do it accurately during a game.


Some say they "think" they got close but arent sure
wtf..? you think you got close?
..lemme see was that um 23 balls a sec or 27
dam I lost count........."hey mom, I need more paintballs"

Its just not humanly possible to click those rockers or rock those clickers 30x in one second
you'd have to have fingers like hummingbird wings.
(which by the way beat at up to 50x per second)

and I havent checked but I thinking that there arent many "concert pianists slash pro woodsballers" out there.

this board has no ramping function..so it doesnt "build up" speed
the rocking trigger is really no different than a regular trig..it just rocks and has 2 switchs..same internals..same solenoid.

so if the rocking frame can acheive 30bps then a regular ESP frame should be able to as well, right?.. or at least come very close
the internals can surely handle it..why?....because they are the SAME!


plus do you think you can beat this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og9ccsb1v6o

it was just an idea, i tried it out on my mr1 wit the rocking when i had one, it was a paintblender, i chopped like ****, there was no way my eggy could feed that fast

AMP Warrior
11-03-2007, 05:53 PM
Movie?
There is only one person who could beat that...
...
...
...
Chuck Norris

AMP Warrior
11-03-2007, 05:58 PM
Oh and what if this thing belonged to Chucky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lzri8dn7p0

djao125
11-11-2007, 12:48 PM
I'm having trouble finding the "Rocking E-Trigger" that you keep talking about.

I found this one:
http://www.e-paintball.com/Kingman-Spyder-Rocking-Trigger-p-18552.html

But I'm not sure if that's everything I need or not.

AMP Warrior
11-11-2007, 07:25 PM
I am pretty sure that this is what you are talking about
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Spyder-Kingman-Paintball-Rocking-Trigger-Frame-2-0_W0QQitemZ180179230762QQihZ008QQcategoryZ47241QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I think it is cheaper too.

djao125
11-11-2007, 07:53 PM
I am pretty sure that this is what you are talking about
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Spyder-Kingman-Paintball-Rocking-Trigger-Frame-2-0_W0QQitemZ180179230762QQihZ008QQcategoryZ47241QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I think it is cheaper too.


Oh right on, thanks :)

djao125
11-13-2007, 01:13 PM
Important question: So how much chop does the e-trigger cause on the MR1?

newkid
11-13-2007, 04:10 PM
it depends how fast your hopper is

nixin
12-10-2007, 09:48 PM
Thats awsome

DRCeccato
12-11-2007, 03:49 PM
I've got my MR 1 Q-loaded with the rocking trigger and the only time I've chopped is when I've sheared the detent...

So I switched over to full auto and it stopped chopping as I wasn't firing nearly as fast.

SpyderMan723
12-12-2007, 11:21 AM
Has anyone tried putting a senariodreams board in a rocking trigger?

i wonder if that would work, that would be soooo sick

Varent212
12-12-2007, 11:45 AM
Im not much for a rocker trigger. think they are to sensitive. why do you guys like them so much?

newkid
12-12-2007, 04:24 PM
shoot really fast