DonF
09-09-2007, 07:38 AM
I have been using my VS's for a while now and overall I think they are Ok. They are not the smoothest shooting marker, or the fastest (I really don't care about that one, as its fast enough) or the lightest, but overall they work fine and get the job done. As human nature goes though there is always the need to improve things. Its my opinion that Kingman did their home work and that does show. Its not as easy to get noticeable results from simple upgrades like with the earlier model Spyders.
I have been snooping the past threads and it seems that internally - Items like the ACP bolts and strikers have results that have been less than spectacular. I see quite a few posts that say the ACP items are sitting on the shelf and the originals are back.
The only thing I could find posted that seemed to produce a favorable result on a consistent basis was the 32 degree medium valve spring (from the older Spyder spring kit) and that was in efficiency only.
On the other hand the VS does have some cost saving measures too - I hate how I have to take out the battery because of the electronics drain, and I'm not so in love with the stock regulators -so the gun can be improved, but I'm not thinking regulators, barrels and boards - that's a given.... what about the internals?
Example -The stock VS bolt, this bolt is so different than the past model bolts. The reason behind the single O-ring and the bean shaped hole? Personally, in speculation, I think the design came from some serious testing. A large round hole, like what ACP uses is less costly to manufacture than the shape that the original VS bolt uses, so there must be a reason - most likely it had to affect the performance of the gun. Same with the single O- ring... Kingman used two on their bolt for years so a single one might indicate that the drag penalty out weighed the sealing advantage? And to replace it with a dual O-ring - giant hole bolt from the aftermarket might be a step backward?
Since the knowledge base on older Kingman products is so large and the VS is still relatively new comparatively. I was hoping that other users or maybe even Kingman Tech might drop a few bits of info here. I read that the Kingman sponsored team Bad Company was using other brand markers while their VS markers were being worked on ??? I wonder whats getting worked?
I'm thinking that if the VS did have allot of pre-production development its going to be really difficult for one item to produce a noticeable result by itself, as the entire combination of parts were meant to work as balanced package. The flip side is that if none of this type of info is available then you have less of a chance that a nine year old takes a $%&^ ! to the new VS that their parents just bought them --- but I'm not nine and neither are allot of other VS owners. If I screw up my marker I can fix it or use it for parts and buy another.
Again please dont post barrel / regulator / feedneck / trigger / grip / backhalf / board upgrades there are a million of those threads here already! Thank's
I have been snooping the past threads and it seems that internally - Items like the ACP bolts and strikers have results that have been less than spectacular. I see quite a few posts that say the ACP items are sitting on the shelf and the originals are back.
The only thing I could find posted that seemed to produce a favorable result on a consistent basis was the 32 degree medium valve spring (from the older Spyder spring kit) and that was in efficiency only.
On the other hand the VS does have some cost saving measures too - I hate how I have to take out the battery because of the electronics drain, and I'm not so in love with the stock regulators -so the gun can be improved, but I'm not thinking regulators, barrels and boards - that's a given.... what about the internals?
Example -The stock VS bolt, this bolt is so different than the past model bolts. The reason behind the single O-ring and the bean shaped hole? Personally, in speculation, I think the design came from some serious testing. A large round hole, like what ACP uses is less costly to manufacture than the shape that the original VS bolt uses, so there must be a reason - most likely it had to affect the performance of the gun. Same with the single O- ring... Kingman used two on their bolt for years so a single one might indicate that the drag penalty out weighed the sealing advantage? And to replace it with a dual O-ring - giant hole bolt from the aftermarket might be a step backward?
Since the knowledge base on older Kingman products is so large and the VS is still relatively new comparatively. I was hoping that other users or maybe even Kingman Tech might drop a few bits of info here. I read that the Kingman sponsored team Bad Company was using other brand markers while their VS markers were being worked on ??? I wonder whats getting worked?
I'm thinking that if the VS did have allot of pre-production development its going to be really difficult for one item to produce a noticeable result by itself, as the entire combination of parts were meant to work as balanced package. The flip side is that if none of this type of info is available then you have less of a chance that a nine year old takes a $%&^ ! to the new VS that their parents just bought them --- but I'm not nine and neither are allot of other VS owners. If I screw up my marker I can fix it or use it for parts and buy another.
Again please dont post barrel / regulator / feedneck / trigger / grip / backhalf / board upgrades there are a million of those threads here already! Thank's