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Oscum Guy
08-13-2007, 06:15 PM
alright this is a sign up thread for for a gun building contest that needforspeed and i developed.

rules:
1. gun has to be proven to be created for $175 or less. if you have had the parts on hand theyre free.
2. gun must be custom, not just an upped gun.
3. gun must be created/built by november 13, 3 months from now.
4. if you recently built it than you can use it but it still must fall under rule #1.
5. pics, video and spec sheet must be created by the end of the deadline and the gun must be in semi mode for the vid, capped or uncapped.
6. 2 guns may be created but the total must fall under rule #1.
7. November 15 a poll will be set up to vote. Voting on your marker is cool. Poll will last 10 days.
8. There will be two polls, one for mechanical markers (no battery) & one for electric markers (powered by a battery.)
9. All contestants must donate something as an entry fee. Stickers, small parts, macro line, etc... (if you have a problem with this rule contact oldironmudder, needforspeed or I.)
10. The donations will be split evenly between the two winners. (mechanical and electric)
11. No limit to number of contestants.
12. Have fun and be safe (or not).
13. spec sheet must be in this format: (if you have a question about the spec sheet contact oldironmudder on aim)


Ill use my TL+ for an example for now.

Title - Classic
Style of Operation - Open bolt blow back
Body - TL+ $Free
Barrel - 12" Terminator $Free
Frame - Stock TL+, Trigger job & cut spring $Time
VA - Stock & drilled $Time
Bolt - Stock, Polished, No venturi & epoxy swoosh $Time
Valve/Pin - Stock, Milled exit & Shaved PMI pin & seal $Free, Time & Trade
Striker/Ram - Polished $Time
Springs - Pieced together spring kit $Trades
Air Supply (Regulator & Line) - ANS Gen-X 2 $70 , Stainless Braided $12
ASA - KAPP $w/ drop
Drop/Stocks - KAPP Drop Zone 3 $50
Notes -

Total cost of build - $132


contestants:
1. oscum guy
2. needforspeed
3. codymm104
4. ace24
5. oldironmudder
6. chris cole
7. dfsniper

NeedForSpeed
08-13-2007, 06:16 PM
sweet deal. I'm in.

shunut
08-13-2007, 06:24 PM
$150 seems kind of low, especially if you don't have any parts to start with.

NeedForSpeed
08-13-2007, 06:31 PM
$150 seems kind of low, especially if you don't have any parts to start with.

That is what is going to make this fun and interesting. It also allows more people to be able to compete with the low budget.

wylde01
08-13-2007, 06:35 PM
so how can you prove though that it was built for under that price?

Oscum Guy
08-13-2007, 06:37 PM
just list how much you spent on every peice. if you got it free or already had it than put that down. just dont lie. be honest.


shunut does have a good point tho. but it makes the contest mo0re interesting.

edit: limit changed to $175. multiple gun rule added.

codymm1014
08-13-2007, 06:42 PM
sweet, im in.

Ace24
08-13-2007, 07:09 PM
I think my MR1 is under $175... since I got alot of parts for free... How do you prove it though?

MR1 - $75
J&J Ceramic 14" barrel - $10
MR3 Rail - $15
Trinity Stock - $30
ACP Bolt $10
Hobby Horse Black Fittings - $16
Single trigger frame from a Spyder Classic - Free
Q-loader system with a couple pods - Free (thanks again PBGrandpa!)
M4 Barrel Shroud and Front sight - $15

That would be $171... but I don't remember if those were my exact prices or not. :(

Oscum Guy
08-13-2007, 07:11 PM
I think my MR1 is under $175... since I got alot of parts for free... How do you prove it though?

MR1 - $75
J&J Ceramic 14" barrel - $10
MR3 Rail - $15
Trinity Stock - $30
ACP Bolt $10
Hobby Horse Black Fittings - $16
Single trigger frame from a Spyder Classic - Free
Q-loader system with a couple pods - Free (thanks again PBGrandpa!)
M4 Barrel Shroud and Front sight - $15

That would be $171... but I don't remember if those were my exact prices or not. :(
thats good. you in? but since its mech youll probly not win lol.

oldironmudder
08-13-2007, 07:18 PM
but since its mech youll probly not win

Why not run two catagorys(sp) Mechanical & Electro?

What if the marker I used is one Ive been building slowly for years? Mainly because of money & college. Building it since late 1999 if that matters at all.

Body/Frame/VA~Stock body, modded frame, DRILLED VA $My first, torn apart & rebuild several times
Bolt~ Jam ACB $45
Valve/Pin~ Modded stock, Modded PMI pin & seal $FREE
Striker~ Polished like a mofo $My Time
Springs~ Pieced together spring kit $Trades
Air Supply~ ANS Gen-x, QDs, SS Braided $70reg, $12 SS Braided
Barrel~ Terminator (I think) $Repo
Drop~ KAPP DZ3 clocked to the left $50

Total as of today~ $177

Ace24
08-13-2007, 07:26 PM
Sure, I'm in. It's also customised... and I'll take pics tomorrow when I finish dremeling it a bit and get the macro fitting the way I want it running to the stock.

Yeah, why not have two catagories?

Oscum Guy
08-13-2007, 07:28 PM
Why not run two catagorys(sp) Mechanical & Electro?

What if the marker I used is one Ive been building slowly for years? Mainly because of money & college.
that will count.


yes i will do the mech and electro categories.

Nenkitsune
08-13-2007, 07:37 PM
If I can get my dad to ship my **** within the next couple weeks, I'll build a spimmy, and polish up my 11 dollar spump

oldironmudder
08-13-2007, 07:40 PM
mech price tags will be seperate than electro ones.


How much of a differance? Im already $2 over the $175 & Im wanting a MR1 & that will send me plenty over........

oldironmudder
08-13-2007, 07:42 PM
Oh ya, what about air tanks & hoppers? Those are so easly swapped out & would add a good bit to the overall price even for a scratch built marker.


Im in anyway. If I go over oh well, I just wanna be part of this.

Ace24
08-13-2007, 07:45 PM
Air tanks are not part of the gun, so it's not considered. Don't worry.

oldironmudder
08-13-2007, 07:47 PM
More or less the bolt on parts only. ok that works.

NeedForSpeed
08-13-2007, 07:48 PM
yea man. Oldironmudder, you're the only exception to the rule because yours is already built. For those of us who are in the process of building, $175 can't be passed. You just can't add anything unless you take something off.

Oscum Guy
08-13-2007, 07:51 PM
Oh ya, what about air tanks & hoppers? Those are so easly swapped out & would add a good bit to the overall price even for a scratch built marker.


Im in anyway. If I go over oh well, I just wanna be part of this.
no county

Nenkitsune
08-13-2007, 09:14 PM
I've got a wicked gun in the works.
spyder with a timmy frame. I hope
let's see...
noid 40
ram, 10
fittings 20-30
frame, 30

so, about 100 bucks maybe?

shunut
08-13-2007, 09:14 PM
Why would a mechanical not beat an electro? What if all the electro's built are absolute junk and the mechanical was awesome? I think 2 categories is a good idea.

Nenkitsune
08-13-2007, 09:28 PM
Is it still mech if it's a converted ep to mech?? (just thinking of some ideas)

actually, of course it's mech lol. no electronics.

oldironmudder
08-14-2007, 07:19 AM
Ive though about doing a mechanical spimmy. 3way in the frame & go but then there wouldnt be a single thing to close the valve til you release the trigger.


Body/Frame/VA~Stock body, modded frame, DRILLED VA $My first, torn apart & rebuild several times
Bolt~ Modded stock, polished, no venturi & epoxy $FREE
Valve/Pin~ Modded stock, Modded PMI pin & seal $FREE
Striker~ Polished like a mofo $My Time
Springs~ Pieced together spring kit $Trades
Air Supply~ ANS Gen-x, QDs, SS Braided $70reg, $12 SS Braided
Barrel~ Terminator (I think) $Repo
Drop~ KAPP DZ3 clocked to the left $50

Total as of today~ $132 :cool:

HAHA theres that buffer zone of money I needed.

Nenkitsune
08-14-2007, 09:10 AM
there wouldn't be enough force for it to stay open. Especially if you use a light ram.

Oscum Guy
08-14-2007, 09:15 AM
Is it still mech if it's a converted ep to mech?? (just thinking of some ideas)

actually, of course it's mech lol. no electronics.
hmmm, ima build me a pneu mech spocker.

calebh
08-14-2007, 09:28 AM
i was thinking a pneumag... i just won't have the time. my spimmy is just about finished, but i spent too much money on it. you could build a turtle cocker without too much trouble... there's an old mod for a wgp sniper that would be super sweet to see someone do.

it's a good challenge, but with college starting in 2 weeks, i don't have the time or money. any other time, and i probly would have accepted.

Nenkitsune
08-14-2007, 09:34 AM
hmmm, ima build me a pneu mech.
I'm gonna build a pneumechspimone

oldironmudder
08-14-2007, 09:44 AM
I'm gonna build a pneumechspimone


a what? pneumatic mechanical spimmy? wheres the mechanical part?

oldironmudder
08-14-2007, 10:47 AM
I have an ASA to 1/8npt adapter I would donate as a prize. This may kinda sound like a bad idea but what if everyone donated a small part, stickers or something as a joining fee and the will gets them.

Oscum Guy
08-14-2007, 10:49 AM
I have an ASA to 1/8npt adapter I would donate as a prize. This may kinda sound like a bad idea but what if everyone donated a small part, stickers or something as a joining fee and the will gets them.
thats a good idea. i have a standard rethreaded spyder asa, a macro fitting and a peice of macro i can donate. what do you guys think?

Oscum Guy
08-14-2007, 12:40 PM
specs are due w/ video. just parts specs not like performance specs.

NeedForSpeed
08-14-2007, 12:47 PM
I have a bunch of stickers I can donate.

oldironmudder
08-14-2007, 12:55 PM
specs are due w/ video. just parts specs not like performance specs.


On the specs, I think one like Ace & me did so every part get covered & markers can be judged on all the specs, stock or modded, and the photos.

Nenkitsune
08-14-2007, 10:17 PM
If I get my stuff in time, I'll donate probably a stock barrel and set of stock internals (needa check to see what I have, might not have a pin for it) no sprnig though. so valve, striker, and bolt
And a couple stock barrels

That's if I get my stuff though

codymm1014
08-15-2007, 01:38 PM
haha good new for me. im getting my timmy noid for 25 and a ram and ram sleeve in a trade. woohoo!! lol.

Ace24
08-15-2007, 02:01 PM
I have a butload of stuff I can donate. Drop, Guages, Maybe a whole hopper (eggyII with Z-board) if I can get a board for my other halo lmao.

codymm1014
08-15-2007, 03:31 PM
Would you happen to have a super cheap reg? lol
I can donate all the spyder parts like the bolt,pin,hammer, spring,valve and pin, expansion chamber.

Chris Cole
08-15-2007, 03:34 PM
I'm in

codymm1014
08-15-2007, 03:36 PM
What are you making?

oldironmudder
08-15-2007, 05:30 PM
Ok fellas, heres the spec sheet were gonna use. If yall see any problems let me know & Ill update it. Catch me on KUSA chat.

Ill use my TL+ for an example for now.

Title - Classic
Style of Operation - Open bolt blow back
Body - TL+ $Free
Barrel - 12" Terminator $Free
Frame - Stock TL+, Trigger job & cut spring $Time
VA - Stock & drilled $Time
Bolt - Stock, Polished, No venturi & epoxy swoosh $Time
Valve/Pin - Stock, Milled exit & Shaved PMI pin & seal $Free, Time & Trade
Striker/Ram - Polished $Time
Springs - Pieced together spring kit $Trades
Air Supply (Regulator & Line) - ANS Gen-X 2 $70 , Stainless Braided $12
ASA - KAPP $w/ drop
Drop/Stocks - KAPP Drop Zone 3 $50
Notes -

Total cost of build - $132

Time, Free, Trade & dollar amounts are allowed for the price. The "w/ drop" I did on my ASA will be ok for the price.

Chris Cole
08-15-2007, 05:37 PM
What are you making?

Totally custom Pilot. Bought the body new.

codymm1014
08-15-2007, 06:27 PM
Is it custom made or just crazy up'd?

Oscum Guy
08-15-2007, 07:04 PM
rules updated. see first post.

the gun must be custom made, but if you have a question about a certain gun than hit me up on aim or pm me.

shunut
08-15-2007, 08:28 PM
I'm in
Totally custom Pilot. Bought the body new.


woah, not only did Chris Cole post, twice, he is going to participate in this contest. Good to see you are alive and kickin, Chris. Well I hope you are kickin, hows the knee coming?

oldironmudder
08-18-2007, 01:02 PM
Well the topic is kinda dead so how about an update?

Ive got a few tabs on frames & still looking for a palmer & got a few things up my sleeves. ;)

codymm1014
08-18-2007, 01:15 PM
Im just a dead stop waiting for my parts and stuff. In other news Oscum offered me his pilot spimmy for my promaster.

oldironmudder
08-18-2007, 01:44 PM
Hey, a parts marker!!

Nenkitsune
08-18-2007, 01:47 PM
i'm still waiting on my dad to ship me ALL my gear and tools -_-

Oscum Guy
08-18-2007, 02:24 PM
im owrkin on my spimmy. rearranin the lpr and macro fittings and stuff. need to screw with dwell to.

Ace24
08-18-2007, 08:39 PM
Oh yeah, I still have to take a pic of my gun and put it on here. Haha.

How do you want it Oscum? Want me to PM you it or post it on here?

oldironmudder
08-19-2007, 08:46 AM
I would just post it, not to big but not so small you cant see the details.

Oscum Guy
08-24-2007, 09:10 PM
yeah just post it. lol.

codymm1014
08-26-2007, 06:05 PM
Ahhh its killin me. My project is comin along so slow. I want to get to work on that Spyder!!! lol. Ill have pics of what Ive done to the spyder by thursday or friday.

oldironmudder
08-27-2007, 06:24 AM
Well im waiting on my palmer to come in & gotta send money for my new frame. After that it will be more or less finished unless I find the time & money to do the other mod I wanna do. :D

oldironmudder
09-05-2007, 04:20 PM
so hows yalls projects comming?

Oscum Guy
09-05-2007, 04:50 PM
argghh i need barbs

codymm1014
09-05-2007, 05:56 PM
Im waitng on all my parts and I still need a noid, ram cap, poppit and lpr.

oldironmudder
09-07-2007, 09:40 PM
Got my MR1 frame in the other day & waiting on my palmer now. Heres an up to date price for my TL+


Title - Classic
Style of Operation - Open bolt blow back
Body - TL+ $Free
Barrel - 12" Terminator $Free
Frame - MR1 $20
VA - Stock & drilled $Time
Bolt - Stock, Polished, No venturi & epoxy swoosh $Time
Valve/Pin - Stock, Milled exit & Shaved PMI pin & seal $Free, Time & Trade
Striker/Ram - Polished $Time
Springs - Pieced together spring kit $Trades
Air Supply (Regulator & Line) - Stainless Braided $12
ASA - KAPP $w/ drop
Drop/Stocks - KAPP Drop Zone 3 $50
Notes -

Total cost of build - $82

Nenkitsune
09-07-2007, 10:46 PM
arg, doesn't look like i'll be able to participate. my dad refuses to send my stuff, so i have to send him money to ship it. problem is i need to buy a car first T_T

codymm1014
09-08-2007, 06:47 AM
How much would it cost to ship out the stuff? I can't imagine it would be that much.
iron- do you have a pic of yours?

oldironmudder
09-08-2007, 08:27 AM
nah, i should have took some last night when I was taking pics for my acs break in guide.

Ace24
09-09-2007, 08:51 PM
HOLY CRAP! I forgot to take the pics! I'm getting on that right away!

oldironmudder
09-10-2007, 03:39 AM
Im still not done building so those pics are more like pg rated teaser pics.:p

oldironmudder
09-10-2007, 11:00 AM
Well I got my palmer in!!!!

No pics yet, Gotta go dig some ditchs for electrical lines now :)

codymm1014
09-11-2007, 04:06 PM
woohoo Im excited. I got my timmy bolt, bolt pin, ram and ram sleeve today.

oldironmudder
09-11-2007, 06:43 PM
how far back did that set you?

codymm1014
09-12-2007, 02:54 PM
haha only 13$.

oldironmudder
09-12-2007, 06:23 PM
#$%^(& (^*&%*^&() thats cheap!!1

Oscum Guy
09-13-2007, 12:57 PM
def



my project isnt going so good :(

codymm1014
09-13-2007, 04:38 PM
What happened oscum?

NeedForSpeed
09-14-2007, 12:01 PM
my project isnt going so good :(


me neither. My cash flow is relatively zero due to playing almost every weekend and other expenses.

Oscum Guy
09-14-2007, 01:22 PM
What happened oscum?
barbs, wires hose etc.

codymm1014
09-14-2007, 03:05 PM
oo. well im stock on my noid search.im practically broke.

codymm1014
09-14-2007, 05:57 PM
hey are b2k noids 5 ways? I know that the guns work on the same principle as timmys so would the noid work?

oldironmudder
09-14-2007, 09:09 PM
Only real difference in timmy & bushy noids is the mounting & maybe the maker. Bushy is manifold & timmy is barbs.

Nenkitsune
09-15-2007, 01:44 AM
well now that i got my car, i'm going to have to withdraw. i can't get my stuff because of my dad refusing to ship it.

codymm1014
09-15-2007, 05:09 AM
Noo that stinks. Sorry to hear that. So iron, they wouldn't work due to them having manifolds and not barbs?

Oscum Guy
09-15-2007, 02:24 PM
well now that i got my car, i'm going to have to withdraw. i can't get my stuff because of my dad refusing to ship it.
that sux, sorry to hear it.




well i just won $25 for timmy NIB parts on IOG, now i can get mah spimmy runnin again.

oldironmudder
09-15-2007, 02:57 PM
Noo that stinks. Sorry to hear that. So iron, they wouldn't work due to them having manifolds and not barbs?


Bushy noid for a spimmy? You can get a manifold that has ports threaded for barbs & go that way. If it was me I would bite the bullet & get a new one if the budget is there, if not get a used one, their not dirt cheap but cheaper than new.

codymm1014
09-15-2007, 05:50 PM
haha well budget is not there. I'm trying to find the cheapest possible noid. So I could technically tap the manifolds for barbs and it would work?

Oscum Guy
09-15-2007, 06:17 PM
if the manifold's holes are smaller than the barbs you want to tap, might have to use 10-32 cocker or m5 cocker.

oldironmudder
09-15-2007, 06:19 PM
If you have some tools, drill press & taps, you could use a bushy noid & make a manifold.

codymm1014
09-16-2007, 07:11 AM
I think I'm just going to buy a timmy noid.

Oscum Guy
09-16-2007, 02:22 PM
thatd be the best route

codymm1014
09-22-2007, 07:11 AM
anone have an extra timmy noid to spare? How are your guys projects going?

oldironmudder
09-22-2007, 08:50 AM
I saw one for 40 lthe other night.

got my palmer & mr1 frame in.

codymm1014
09-22-2007, 11:13 AM
I could get one for 25 I just dont have 25...
You have any pics of yours yet? Its mech right?

oldironmudder
09-22-2007, 04:41 PM
damn skippy its a mech!! umm, theres one or two with out the palmer & I dont remember how much of it you can see in those em1 mock up pics I took.

Ive got some time before the contest is up, but Ill prolly get pics & a vid before the due date incase im busy.

DFSniper
09-22-2007, 06:07 PM
rules:
2. gun must be custom, not just an upped gun.


define "custom" please. "custom" as in made from scratch, or "custom" as in serious parts/modding?

im interested in joining in, just not sure if mine would qualify...

Oscum Guy
09-22-2007, 08:13 PM
eh you can join, im leniant

codymm1014
09-23-2007, 05:11 AM
Also, what about the whole donation thing. What can we donate for it?

08Lud08
09-23-2007, 07:52 AM
how do you join.

Oscum Guy
09-23-2007, 09:19 AM
just donate like useless parts or something, anything. to join just post in the thread and say that you want to join.

08Lud08
09-23-2007, 09:59 AM
when do we post pics? I have been working on my gun for a while and I haven't even bought one upgrade for it, I just kept trading gear and getting lucky to find what I want.

codymm1014
09-23-2007, 10:56 AM
Entries arent due to till November.

oldironmudder
09-23-2007, 01:17 PM
Also, what about the whole donation thing. What can we donate for it?

Stickers, triggers, spare parts or what ever.

DFSniper, I know max has dropped out & maybe someone else. As of this hungover moment, me & oscum are more or less done, right oscum???

Oscum Guy
09-23-2007, 02:59 PM
yeah i can finish it when i get my parts from crank so i guess.

codymm1014
09-23-2007, 06:51 PM
I dont have much in the way of spare parts to donate. We'll see after I get my spyder. Im getting a timmy noid for 15$ with barbs and its working. I finally got passed the PITA part.

Oscum Guy
09-24-2007, 01:55 PM
lol, thats mega cheap. sweet.

codymm1014
09-24-2007, 02:02 PM
yea i know for real. And im getting an adjustable ram cap for free, and a poppit with cupseal for 5

DFSniper
09-24-2007, 02:20 PM
Alright, I'm in then. LMK where to send the entrance fee, and i'll send a bunch of assorted stickers.

oldironmudder
09-24-2007, 02:39 PM
The entrance fee/prize isnt gonna get sent til there is a winner picked.

Oscum Guy
09-24-2007, 02:49 PM
no entrance fee is required...

DFSniper
09-24-2007, 02:51 PM
ok

edit: the main thing im concerned about is because a lot of my parts came from another marker (which is not working right now) so i dont want to upset anyone by having an unfair advantage by having a complete LP setup "on hand" already

codymm1014
09-24-2007, 03:03 PM
DF- what project gun are you making?

Oscum Guy
09-24-2007, 03:16 PM
eh free parts is free parts

codymm1014
09-24-2007, 03:20 PM
yea but i made my entire gun with nothing on hand. makes me feel special. :)

DFSniper
09-24-2007, 03:26 PM
DF- what project gun are you making?

custom dremelled electro victor (at least it used to be a victor) running LP, not sure what else im gonna do.

Oscum Guy
09-24-2007, 03:48 PM
nice, thatl be nice.


i actually have like 4 bodies i could choose for my project.

DFSniper
09-24-2007, 05:38 PM
i just came up with an awesome idea, and i don't think its ever been done in the forum's history. im not gonna give any details because that might get other people to try it, but lets just say it involves a dremel and KUSA pride!

oldironmudder
09-24-2007, 05:50 PM
giving your marker a tat?

codymm1014
09-24-2007, 05:52 PM
haha nice. I think I finally know how Im going to dremel my spyder. Cant wait.

Oscum Guy
09-24-2007, 05:53 PM
nice cant wait to see it

DFSniper
09-24-2007, 06:12 PM
giving your marker a tat?

not exactly the marker... it already got a whole face lift. i was actually going to engrave "spider" in japanese on the top of the body (going vertically down from the feedneck to the back) before i painted it, but i forgot. so i'll probably go back and put that on somewhere.

codymm1014
09-24-2007, 06:21 PM
Haha yea that sounds tight. You gotta show us that.

DFSniper
09-24-2007, 06:48 PM
i'll try to get around to it tomorrow

Oscum Guy
09-26-2007, 06:09 PM
awesome



i got my parts from crank today, ill work on my gat tom.

Ace24
09-26-2007, 08:18 PM
I've got pics of my MR1... since I finally found my old BB gun that I had the good Red/Green dot sight on.

I'm not posting pics yet though... heh... I want to play around with people first.

MR1 - $75
J&J Ceramic 14" barrel - $10
MR3 Rail - $15
RAP4 Airthrough Stock - $30
ACP Bolt $10
Hobby Horse Black Fittings - $16
Single trigger frame from a Spyder Classic - Free
Q-loader system with a couple pods - Free (thanks again PBGrandpa!)
M4 Barrel Shroud and Front sight - $15
Red/Green Dot Sight - Free/on hand from BB Gun that I've had for a few years
2 Rail's for Sight (mounted to MR3 rail) - $3 from local shop bargin bin ($1.50/peice)

Final price, and cutting it close at that, $174.

codymm1014
09-27-2007, 03:09 PM
Sounds like its going to be really nice.

Ace24
09-27-2007, 06:09 PM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81/TeddyBearFuzz/IMG_8902copy.jpg
Ta-da! My entry.

Forgot to include that the rifle strap thinger is off my BB gun too.

codymm1014
09-29-2007, 07:09 AM
Dude thats a sick MR1. I saw it on PBNation too. Really nice for only 174...

DFSniper
09-29-2007, 10:43 AM
very nice! ive been out with friends for the past few days, so i havent done any modding. and with school projects/essays due, i might have to put off on my milling.

timbertiger20
10-01-2007, 01:35 AM
I think that weighs more than my 50 cal featherweight!

Ace24
10-01-2007, 10:32 PM
I think that weighs more than my 50 cal featherweight!
What?

timbertiger20
10-01-2007, 11:17 PM
How much does that thing weigh?

DFSniper
10-02-2007, 02:43 PM
wooh, got some more stuff painted, about to do the japanese symbols, havent started on my TOP SECRET project yet...

oldironmudder
10-02-2007, 03:04 PM
havent started on my TOP SECRET project yet...


What put VS internals in it?? Bah, thats so last week dude. :p :p

DFSniper
10-03-2007, 12:34 PM
no... im not a noob like that... :p

oldironmudder
10-03-2007, 12:51 PM
no... im not a noob like that...

What? putting a new design part into an older marker = noobish? Guess Im an 8 year noob then :(

codymm1014
10-12-2007, 03:04 PM
anybody have some updates?

Oscum Guy
10-12-2007, 08:08 PM
damn i need to work on my gat.

oldironmudder
10-12-2007, 08:20 PM
i need a drill press, fittings hose, & maybe some new internals

Ace24
10-12-2007, 11:52 PM
How much does that thing weigh?
Feels like 5 lbs without paint. With, probably 5.5 or so.

It's not bad... considering my T-1 with the tank and hopper full weighs like 4lbs.

codymm1014
10-13-2007, 08:51 AM
Oscum, is it possible to use a spyder valve pin in place of a timmy poppit?

oldironmudder
10-13-2007, 11:09 AM
yes, aslong as the pin is the same size. y?

Oscum Guy
10-13-2007, 11:30 AM
well it is smaller an it would let ut a lot of blowback air. and its longer. and, the cup seal sticks out farther so it would make the spring heavier, so you would need to turn up the lpr quite a bit (not good for the noid). and lastly it doesnt have an oring so it would leek. i ]ould even think of a couple more.

so yeah i wouldnt use one.

codymm1014
10-13-2007, 05:27 PM
Ok well I looked at the valve stem in the ram sleeve and it looks like it could work. Oscum could I see pic of your poppit in the ram sleeve?

Oscum Guy
10-13-2007, 08:48 PM
huh?

like put the poppet in the ram sleeve and take a pic?

codymm1014
10-14-2007, 05:00 AM
Yea, if its not a big deal then it would be appreciated.

Oscum Guy
10-14-2007, 07:36 AM
kk

edit:
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/oscumguy/CIMG0044.jpg
that good enough?

codymm1014
10-14-2007, 05:22 PM
Yea thanks.

Nuwisha
10-19-2007, 12:36 PM
Whats the line between custom and upgraded? How far do you have to go for it to be custom?

LostCause
10-19-2007, 01:11 PM
any updates? i've been wacthing this and nothing new lol, anyway keep up the work guys. wish i had the time to do this (and skill :D)

codymm1014
10-19-2007, 01:20 PM
Im so close. I got scammed from my noid, so all I need is that and I will be done. But now Im broke :(

LostCause
10-19-2007, 02:45 PM
i hate ppl like that, thats why im always leary about buying unless i know the person

DFSniper
10-19-2007, 03:43 PM
haven't felt like finishing my secret project, but the engraving has been done on the body, but i havent taken pics yet and my moms out of town with the camera right now...

Oscum Guy
10-20-2007, 12:24 PM
need to solder.



nuwisha- rules are loose, its not a big deal

oldironmudder
10-21-2007, 10:32 AM
old skool soldering dude here!

Anyway, got acess to a drill press now!! Got an extra body to drill on!!!

No fittings yet.....

oldironmudder
10-21-2007, 10:51 AM
Heres an update for my price.


Style of Operation - Open bolt blow back
Body - TL+ $Free
Barrel - 12" Terminator $Free
Frame - MR1 $20
VA - Stock & drilled $Time
Bolt - Stock, Polished, No venturi & epoxy swoosh $Time
Valve/Pin - Stock, Milled exit & Shaved PMI pin & seal $Free, Time & Trade
Striker/Ram - Polished $Time
Springs - Pieced together spring kit $Trades
Air Supply (Regulator & Line) - Palmer Stab. $trade , Stainless Braided $12
ASA - KAPP $w/ old drop
Drop/Stocks - KAPP Drop Zone 3 $20
Notes -

Total cost of build - $52


Now if I paid the orignal price for everything right now it would be:

Style of Operation - Open bolt blow back
Body - TL+ $125
Barrel - 12" Terminator $40ish
Frame - MR1 $20
VA - Stock & drilled $Time
Bolt - Stock, Polished, No venturi & epoxy swoosh $Time
Valve/Pin - Stock, Milled exit & Shaved PMI pin & seal $Free, Time & Trade
Striker/Ram - Polished $Time
Springs - Pieced together spring kit $40 worth of springs
Air Supply (Regulator & Line) - Palmer Stab. $100 , Stainless Braided $12
ASA - KAPP $w/ drop
Drop/Stocks - KAPP Drop Zone 3 $75
Notes -

Total cost of build - $412

Plus I still need a gauge and some fittings for a small add on.

Not if you would figure up the time & cost for those 'free' mods at 3 hours @ a 'shop' rate of $45/hour = $135 + cost of parts = $547

Anyway, enough rambling.....

oldironmudder
11-02-2007, 09:45 PM
Ok everyone, deadline is in just over a week away & I was wondering how everyone is doing.

Nothing has really changed on my part other than I bought a 14" 16spd drill press the other day at a yardsale, got some swivel macros in & a foot of macro & gauge on the way. I might end up drilling the gauge hole this weekend & retuning when I get the gauge in.


Ive kinda half way lost track of whos in this so post "Im in for it".

"Im in for it"

codymm1014
11-03-2007, 06:13 AM
I dont know. My project is kinda stuck. Waiting for my second noid ive tried ordering to come in. Ram sleeve just kinda got stuck in my spyder body, literally wont move.

DFSniper
11-04-2007, 06:34 PM
just finished today. pics up in the pics section soon. im having some wierd pressure spikes though, and im not sure if its normal.

Oscum Guy
11-06-2007, 12:43 PM
cody, use a dowel rod and a hammer


sniper, pressure spikes are normal for a blowback running on co2 w/o a reg

codymm1014
11-06-2007, 04:00 PM
not going to be able to make it by deadline. cant get my noid in on time.

DFSniper
11-06-2007, 04:37 PM
sniper, pressure spikes are normal for a blowback running on co2 w/o a reg
it has a reg. i changed my cupseal, put it on full auto til my 12 oz emptied, and it didnt go past 300psi. before it was going from 250 up to 600.

Oscum Guy
11-06-2007, 06:12 PM
250-600! thats crazy. good thing its fixed now, i didnt know the cupseal could affect that.

oldironmudder
11-06-2007, 06:30 PM
that sounds like a reg / Co2 problem

Ace24
11-06-2007, 09:15 PM
I've got a nice collection of parts and such I'm going to donate. Haha. I've even got a AA back for a shocker sitting around here somewhere...

codymm1014
11-08-2007, 02:27 PM
You want to postpone the date by a week? lol.

DFSniper
11-08-2007, 02:35 PM
lol, i dont mind. it would give me time to get my tanks refilled so i can make the video...

codymm1014
11-08-2007, 03:17 PM
YAY 2 votes for postponage.

Oscum Guy
11-08-2007, 03:51 PM
i could go fer a postpone. 2 more votes and we got one

oldironmudder
11-08-2007, 05:07 PM
One week is cool with me. Plus gives me a bit more time to tune it.

oldironmudder
11-08-2007, 05:26 PM
What about moving the deadline to Nov. 30 with the polls opening up the first of Dec?

That would give everyone more than enough time to get their stuff ready.

Oscum Guy
11-08-2007, 05:33 PM
that sounds cool.



ok the council (lol) has made a decision.


new deadline is nov. 30, polls open dec. 1st

DFSniper
11-08-2007, 06:30 PM
woot! i need to go to the field anyways to chrono it. i have no idea what its shooting right now, but i probably wouldnt have made it before thanksgiving

Oscum Guy
11-08-2007, 06:47 PM
lol it will prolly need tuned a bunch man.

DFSniper
11-08-2007, 07:21 PM
yeah, i still need to try the spring kit. with the stock springs its recocking at 250, but the fps is what worries me.

codymm1014
11-10-2007, 07:39 AM
Awesome. Thanks everyone.

DFSniper
11-20-2007, 01:59 PM
unless i can get a new spyder board an possibly solenoid soon, i wont be able to make it. my board is shot and about 95% DEAD!

Oscum Guy
11-20-2007, 02:57 PM
df hit me up on aim. before tomorrow. i can hoo, u up

oldironmudder
11-20-2007, 04:44 PM
DFS, throw a pm my way, I still have the Eframe internals.

codymm1014
11-21-2007, 08:15 AM
DF- I have a solenoid I can give you. No board though. Pm me if you cant get that from oscum or mudder

oldironmudder
11-21-2007, 04:51 PM
Im waiting on cash from him on all those eframe internals i have.

DFSniper
11-21-2007, 05:50 PM
i sent the MO out today. thanks for all the offers, guys.

codymm1014
11-27-2007, 01:18 PM
Im going to be cutting it close. My noid still hasnt arrived!! I ordered it on friday and its the last part I need.

DFSniper
11-27-2007, 01:47 PM
mine should be here by the end of the week...

oldironmudder
11-27-2007, 04:47 PM
Close!!!

My TL+ is in piece right now so..... Ill use my EM1!!!! maybe..... reg is really slow at recharge, like slow as a crappy pump slow.

DFSniper
11-27-2007, 04:54 PM
hmm, pump em1!!

oldironmudder
11-27-2007, 05:21 PM
hmm, pump em1!!

~reach through internat & slap you~

Umm..... NO


Ive thought about that for my other one.

Oscum Guy
11-27-2007, 06:29 PM
oh snap. someone im me and encourage me to work on my spimmy

DFSniper
11-28-2007, 06:53 PM
yay, parts came in! all i have to do now is solder on my roller switch, and i'll be good. if i pace myself, i should be able to study for finals and finish the gun/make a vid at the same time.

oldironmudder
11-28-2007, 07:08 PM
Well good / luck!!

Im kinda SOL on my TL+ but I could use my new EM1 <evil laugh>

Title - New Gat
Style of Operation - Fasor
Body - Black EM1 $80
Barrel - 12" Equation $Free
Frame - Stock w/ timer grip $free
VA - Taso & drilled $free
Bolt - Stock, No venturi $free
Valve/Pin - Bored out lower bore with WAY oversized valve & custom pin & uber light spring $free
Striker/Ram - Semi-Polished $Time/free
Springs - Light valve & stock bolt $free
Air Supply (Regulator & Line) - BL Silver Torpedo $free , Stainless Braided $Had
ASA - KAPP $w/ drop
Drop/Stocks - KAPP Drop Zone 3 $had
Notes - Super duper slow recharge!!!!

Total cost of build - $80

DFSniper
11-29-2007, 07:30 AM
i cant believe im running into soldering problems. ive already melted 2 switches trying to solder the wires on. and all of a sudden, the sear stops working. the light flashes, so i know the wires are connecting (just by tapping them together) but it wont activate the sear!

Ace24
11-29-2007, 10:12 AM
When does the voting start, again?

DFSniper
11-29-2007, 11:51 AM
im guessing on the 1st, or whenever someone makes a poll.

DFSniper
11-29-2007, 12:21 PM
woot! fixed my sear. turns out that the wires fell apart where they were soldered together, but i didnt see it with the rubber sheath over it. everything works fine, ill get a vid up tomorrow.

final specs:

Title: KUSA Love
Style of Operation: Electro Spyder
Body: Custom milled/painted Victor = LOTS of Time/$6
Feedneck: MOdded/painted stock w/Java slip-on = Time/Had
Barrel: 10” Modded Stock Brass Eagle Marauder = Time
Frame: Stock Imagine w/ Sticky 3 grips = Had
------ modded/painted stock trigger = Time
------ ESP Classic internals w/roller switch: = Time/$17
VA: CIP Assault Block w/ 0-1200 psi micro gauge = Had
Bolt: Polished, venturi-less stock = Time
Valve/Pin: Stock/modded stock = Time
Striker/Ram: Polished stock Imagine = Time
Springs: Maddman Spring Kit= Had
Regulator: Bob Long Torpedo = Had
Drop/ASA: Stock Imagine bottomline = Had
Fittings: Macroline w/fittings = $2

Total cost of build = $25

oldironmudder
11-29-2007, 05:19 PM
Total cost of build = $25


Now thats dirt cheap!!!

Well, since no one caught it Im pretty much out of it.... this time. Ill still post a poll either late late friday night or early saturday unless someone beats me to it.

DFSniper
11-29-2007, 05:59 PM
if i HAD money, i wouldve bought a new feedneck, asa, board, eye covers, AMG frame, but im pretty much broke (which is why most of mine is all home mods!)

oldironmudder
11-29-2007, 06:08 PM
What about haveing another contest around the first of the year?

codymm1014
11-30-2007, 12:58 PM
I guess Ill have to same mine til then cause mine is still waiting on that damn noid.

DFSniper
11-30-2007, 02:06 PM
put it off again? i dont have air, so i cant make a vid, and i wouldnt mind tinkering with my trigger a little more.

spray and pray
11-30-2007, 02:26 PM
Yeah I think you guys should put it off until december 8th or something.

DFSniper
11-30-2007, 02:39 PM
i have finals next week, so i have to cram/prepare right now, but any time after next week would be fine for me.

oldironmudder
11-30-2007, 04:25 PM
The 14th then? all entrys in before 10pm central time & a poll put up by 11pm?

DFSniper
11-30-2007, 04:42 PM
sounds good to me

oldironmudder
11-30-2007, 04:55 PM
SO who is actually still in? Since we are moving the date back Ill get back in it :p

Oscum Guy
11-30-2007, 09:24 PM
omg w/e i guess we have to push it back again

its official, the 14th, period

Ace24
12-01-2007, 10:11 AM
I'm in. I've been in.

DFSniper
12-07-2007, 02:37 PM
since we have extra time, im doing a magnet mod right now, and possibly something else that i havent seen on this forum!

Oscum Guy
12-14-2007, 01:18 PM
aight start gettin me the vids and pics. also put up a spec sheet.


lets stry to get a poll up by the 16-17th

DFSniper
12-14-2007, 01:23 PM
im waiting for my brother to finish his homework so he can film it...

edit: now im waiting for my dad to bring the camera home from work. hopefully before it gets dark...

Oscum Guy
12-14-2007, 02:05 PM
my plans have totally changed from the beginning. now its just an electro spyder clone. all custom of course.

DFSniper
12-14-2007, 02:13 PM
i want to fine-tune the 50g switch, but i'll do that after the video because im all out of switches incase i melt that one like i did the others. i bought some nevr-dull polish today and polished the internals on both my guns, and i think putting it in the barrel may help too!

Oscum Guy
12-14-2007, 02:15 PM
ah ive melted switches before lol

DFSniper
12-14-2007, 02:28 PM
if i cant make a video within the next 30-45 minutes, itll be too dark outside, and theres no way in hell my parents will let me shoot it in the house (we dont have a garage)

Oscum Guy
12-14-2007, 02:30 PM
damn i ran out of air...

DFSniper
12-14-2007, 02:46 PM
i got my tank filled monday, was going to do the video yesterday, but everyone was busy and i needed someone to set up the camera right... well, since theres hardly any daylight, i might have to pull out the flood light (if i can find it) and shoot in my backyard. i wanted to unload a whole hopper to see if it chops, but i doubt ill do that since my dad has a thing against me shooting the gun (with or without paint) anywhere near the house because its "annoying"

DFSniper
12-14-2007, 04:24 PM
Title: KUSA Love
Style of Operation: Electro Spyder
Body: Custom milled/painted Victor = LOTS of Time/$6
Barrel: 10” Modded Stock Brass Eagle Marauder = Time
Feedneck: Modded/painted stock w/Java slip-on = $Time/Had
Frame: Stock Imagine w/ Sticky 3 grips = Had
------ modded/painted stock trigger = Time
------ ESP Classic internals w/ magnet mod & 50g switch: = Time/$19
VA: CIP Assault Block w/ 0-1200 psi micro gauge = Had
Bolt: Polished, venturi-less stock = $3.50
Valve/Pin: Stock/modded stock = Time
Striker/Ram: Polished stock Imagine = Time
Springs: Maddman Spring Kit= Had
Regulator: Bob Long Torpedo = Had
Drop/ASA: Stock Imagine bottomline = Had
Fittings: Macroline w/fittings = $2

Total cost of build = $30.50

notes: in my prices i included the magnets, paint and metal polish that i didnt have on-hand before i entered the contest.

and the vid:
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=23974262

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/DFSniper/Paintball%20Markers%20and%20Gear/DSC04424.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/DFSniper/Paintball%20Markers%20and%20Gear/DSC04438.jpg

edit: put pics up, will get more later to show some of the mods in detail.

codymm1014
12-16-2007, 01:41 PM
I know its late but w/e.
I made my spimmy finally. Uses a stock spyder frame, board, trigger, front block, volumizer, and barrel. Has a promaster valve pin instead of a timmy poppit. Cocker LPR mounted to my bottom line reg. Gas thru grip from an old cocker is on there. Made my own rail adapter out of my stock spyder asa that was cut, drilled, and tapped. Took a cocker feedneck and ground down the lip on the inside of it and jb welded it on to the stock spyder stub neck.Built for around 75 cause I traded some stuff and had a lot of parts. But thats including the spyder too. Took way too much time but it was fun. Heres some pics.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o137/Codymm1014/DSCN1087.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o137/Codymm1014/DSCN1088.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o137/Codymm1014/DSCN1089.jpg

DFSniper
12-16-2007, 04:07 PM
wow, im curious as to how the lpr works. im guessing it runs to the timmy noid? what kind of bottomline reg is that?


and some natural lighting pics would be nice!

if kingman were to make a bottomline reg w/ built-in LPR and a slightly modded esp frame, i think they could market their own spimmy like that!

Oscum Guy
12-16-2007, 05:19 PM
damnit! proshop was closed today and doesnt open till weds and i have no air!

well w/e, ill just try to get it in asap

codymm1014
12-16-2007, 05:22 PM
wow, im curious as to how the lpr works. im guessing it runs to the timmy noid? what kind of bottomline reg is that?


and some natural lighting pics would be nice!

if kingman were to make a bottomline reg w/ built-in LPR and a slightly modded esp frame, i think they could market their own spimmy like that!


Ill get outdoor pics soon. It was dark when I finished it. The LPR runs into the timmy noid, you're right. Its a reg from my old Odyssey cocker. I had this lying around when I got a new WGP reg for the cocker. Its a sucky reg but its free.

codymm1014
12-16-2007, 05:25 PM
edit- oscum, wheres you're gun?

Oscum Guy
12-16-2007, 05:30 PM
dude im lovin the spimmy!!!

Ill use my TL+ for an example for now.

Title - Electro Spyder Clone
Style of Operation - open bolt blow back sear tripper
Body - vl maxxis, half backed, sand blasted, polished $free
Barrel - sp linear 14" $35
Frame - stock e99 painted $free
VA - none
Bolt - stock pullpin bolt $free
Valve/Pin - stock spyder and pin $free
Striker/Ram - polished stock striker $free
Springs - stock $free
Air Supply (Regulator & Line) - dragun reg $10 macro and fitting $13
Drop/Stocks - stock spyder $free
board- ver c tboard $free
trigger- poor mans blade $free
grips $dye sticky 3's - $20
notes- i spent $0 on the prject but i counted parts i already had.

Total cost of build - $78

ill get a pic up like now

codymm1014
12-16-2007, 05:45 PM
How did you get it sandblasted? Ive got to see your beast shoot.

Oscum Guy
12-16-2007, 05:50 PM
my neighbor/friend has a sand blaster

yeah i cant wait to shoot it. i know it holds air atleast. i shot it w/ a mech victor frame and that worked tho.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/oscumguy/CIMG3268.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/oscumguy/CIMG3267.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i18/oscumguy/CIMG3269.jpg

oh and i might mod my timmy delrin bolt to fit

Hob Hayward
12-16-2007, 05:53 PM
If I hadn't put probably $400 into my spyder I'd have entered :P

Ace24
12-19-2007, 04:58 PM
So when does the poll go up?

Oscum Guy
12-20-2007, 08:34 AM
as soon as we all have our pics, vids and spec sheets up. ill put up the poll when its all up. so post it in this thread or pm me.

Ace24
12-20-2007, 06:28 PM
Already did.... a looong time ago.