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Team Ramrod
07-14-2007, 03:54 PM
Hey guys,

I know a few people here that are good with computers and I would like a little help and advice on building a computer. I'm gonna need a computer for school in the fall and I figure I could get more bang for the buck if I build it rather then going through a bigger supplier like Dell or MDG (I'm Canadian). I figure I will order all the parts through Newegg and put it together myself. Now, I've never built a computer before, but i know how to do it, for the most part. What i need is some input on what to get and how it will all work together to fit my budget. I'm looking to spend $1000CND or 954.426 USD (currency converted ;)), including a monitor, but i may be willing to spend more for a better monitor. Now, I don't need a big hard drive, my family computer is 80gigs and the five of us haven't filled it, so that would be a good size. I'm looking to get 2gigs of RAM, so if i do get vista I wont have problems, but for now i think I'll stick with XP. I wont be playing to many video games so top of the line video and sound cards aren't needed, but i do want it to look good and not be a bottleneck feature. I'm not sure where to go with processors, as i haven't kept up with them, but from what i hear the Core 2 Duos seems to the the cats pajamas. Now from here I don't know where to go, like motherboard, case, power supply and all the connectors and such. Any input would be great, and I'll edit my post to inventory all the parts i need and have found. Thanks for everything, and try and keep it in my budget price.

TL;DR. read the damn post and help me out. (thanks Vike)

parts:
Case-
Motherboard- Intel BOXDG965WHMKR LGA 775 Intel G965 Express ATX (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121052#spec) $114.99
CPU- Intel Core 2 Duo E4400 Allendale 2.0GHz (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115014) This good? $139.00
Hard Drive-Western Digital SATA 120gig (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822144414R) $48.75
RAM-Kingston 1gig x2 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134045) Not sure what type I need here, guess it depends on motherboard. $82.00
Powersupply-XCLIO 460 Watt (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817189013) Go With D's advice on here. Do i really need 500watts? $59.99
Videocard-GeForce 7600GT (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130062) $89.99
Soundcard- Integrated
DVD Drive-ASUS Combo Drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135145) $29.99
Cords/ Connectors-

Total: $564.71 so far

What Else?

VS2 King
07-14-2007, 04:23 PM
Alright, I first Of All I can help you out i know a lot about computers.second i have seen how much it is to make one yourslef and it is gunna cost way more then you are willing to spend. if you only spending 1000 dollars then you minus well just get a brand name one because if you spend 1000 dollars that will only be enough for have a comp. if you make one yourslef you looking to around 2000-3000 dollars.

durrell
07-14-2007, 04:25 PM
Alright, I first Of All I can help you out i know a lot about computers.second i have seen how much it is to make one yourslef and it is gunna cost way more then you are willing to spend. if you only spending 1000 dollars then you minus well just get a brand name one because if you spend 1000 dollars that will only be enough for have a comp. if you make one yourslef you looking to around 2000-3000 dollars.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. You can build a really nice system for 1000 bucks or a little more. Especially since Intel is getting ready to cut pricing on the C2D's.

Anyway..

Core 2 Duo for your processor. Wait for the Intel price cuts, I hear some C2D's will be down as low as 150 bucks.
As far as the mobo is concerned, of course go for one that is C2D ready and supports dual channeling. Then you'll have to decide if you want integrated graphics and sound or not.
2GB dual channeled RAM.
I'd shoot for 120GB hard drive, you'll probably never fill that.
Power supply: I'm a big fan of the Xclio brand. I recently had to replace mine, I bought an Xclio as a replacement and it's nice and quiet. Something like a 500W Stablepower should do you just fine.
Videocard: I like nVidia, but don't go crazy with a graphics card if you're not gaming. If you're planning to run Vista then you might want to look into a decent one so you can run Aero with no problems.
Soundcard: I run integrated and don't have any complaints.
DVD Drive: Go for just a combo CD-RW/DVD/DVD-RW drive. Does everything you want in one drive.

Case is up to you. Make sure you get fans and everything to keep your case cool. Also, do not use the power supply that comes with the case. That's never a good idea.

Hope that helps. If you really want some good answers, I suggest posting in the PBN Small Talk Tech forum. I post a lot over there and there's a good group of guys there that really know what they're talking about.

Team Ramrod
07-14-2007, 04:55 PM
Ok, I've made some progress. Got a few things but I still need input to see if they are good, and should be swapped out. I went with D's advice on the power supply as thats one more area I know nothing about.

Thanks so far, and please keep the help coming.

durrell
07-14-2007, 05:39 PM
Best thing to do is build it on NewEgg and you can make the list public.

UKwithPride
07-14-2007, 05:40 PM
Alright, I first Of All I can help you out i know a lot about computers.second i have seen how much it is to make one yourslef and it is gunna cost way more then you are willing to spend. if you only spending 1000 dollars then you minus well just get a brand name one because if you spend 1000 dollars that will only be enough for have a comp. if you make one yourslef you looking to around 2000-3000 dollars.
I built mine for around ~670 dollars.....

Team Ramrod
07-14-2007, 08:38 PM
Ok, made some changes and this is where i need input. I need mother board options and help, as im not in the loop as to what is good and compatible. And could you check over everything else and make sure it is up to par? I've made some changes with respect to some help i got on AO too.

durrell
07-14-2007, 08:53 PM
This should be ideal for what you're looking for:

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=7489507&WishListTitle=Ramrod


Tell me what you think.

I changed you to dual channel RAM (you do need it, it increases performance by double..tests have proven). I upped your HDD since it was only a few dollars more. A couple of other small things. And that mobo will work for you.

Edit: Talking to a friend, he said he thinks the mobo is not good..he's going to suggest a better one..so hold on.

Team Ramrod
07-14-2007, 08:59 PM
Thanks D, i like your input. Im gonna stick with the 120gig for now, as I don't need the extra space, I might upgrade later, but for now I'll stick with bare bones until I have a final price, then I can upgrade. And someone on AO suggested the 7600GT for the below reasons, maybe you can add to that:
The 8600GT is a NO-GO.
It's absolutely worthless for DirectX 10, and has bad performance when compared to similar video cards in the price range.
Check out a Radeon X1950Pro, which will give you better performance for a lower price. Or if you want, you could definitely get by with a Nvidia 7600GT, which I believe the EVGA version of which is about 60-70 dollars after rebate. That would let you play all recent games in pretty high settings.

Thanks

durrell
07-14-2007, 09:11 PM
Ok, edited out the 8600, added in the 7600 and changed the RAM to a cheaper, but same quality Corsair kit. I kept the hard drive in because the one you were looking at was an "open box" hard drive, which is probably not good. The one I have it only 30 cent more and it's brand new..lol. I changed the processor to a better processor as well.

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=7489507&WishListTitle=Ramrod

Let me know how that looks to you. This was all done with the help of a very smart computer friend of mine, so I assure you it's solid. :)

Team Ramrod
07-14-2007, 09:22 PM
Everything looks good to me, thanks a lot. Is this everything I need to build a complete set-up? (minus peripherals like keyboard/mouse/monitor) I'll need an OS and software, but i should be able to borrow a copy of XP and get some programs. Do you think i need anything else?

Thanks again

durrell
07-14-2007, 09:27 PM
Well that depends. Do you want XP or do you want to just go ahead and step up to Vista? I can recommand some good free alternatives for spyware and anti-virus that I recommend, but as far as OSs are concerned, if it was me I'd run XP Pro until Vista Service Pack 1 comes out, then upgrade to Vista. But if you want to go ahead and go for Vista you can still stay WAY below 1000 dollars. You're definitely getting a killer PC with that stuff.

And if you're wondering, XP will run faster than Vista right now..so that could help make your decision.

Team Ramrod
07-14-2007, 09:32 PM
Yeah, that's what i was thinking too. I will stick with XP now until some updates are made to vista, i just want to make sure the rig is capable of handling the switch.

And I've got spyware and anti-virus stuff covered. I'm the only technical person in the family, so I've taken on the role to keep our computers clean and in top shape.

Thanks for your help D, made the bulk of this a lot easier. I'm gonna go check out some monitors and then fine tune some things to see if I can squeeze out a little more and still stay in budget.

durrell
07-14-2007, 09:34 PM
No problem..if you need any help feel free to PM me. :)

Team Ramrod
07-15-2007, 05:56 AM
Well, had a little set-back. Went through it all and then discovered that Newegg doesn't ship to Canada, so that kinda put that plan to crap. So, I'm trying to rebuild everything on Tiger Direct, as they Have a Canadian Center. Again, i need help on motherboards, I seem to be able to find everything the same or close to it, but the motherboard D chose isn't on there, so I'm forced to ask for more help.
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Category/category_tlc.asp?CatId=13
there is a list of the MoBoards they offer, could you help me choose one?

edit: NVM, i think i found it.

crux
07-16-2007, 07:58 PM
Hey there ramrod, been looking your posts here, and what d is suggesting, and it seems like everything is covered except for the shipping problems. I don't personally know A LOT about building computers, but i would like to share what i know anyway, (better off listening to d, just putting in my two cents). I live in Canada also, and my friend and i have built a computer for a friend of ours, and we got all our parts from a company called ncix which is based out of BC. I believe that they have a US contingent also. The website is www.ncix.com, with the option to switch to the Canadian version. I haven't had any problems with them so far, and as far as i can see their prices are quite reasonable. They also tend to have a few sales here and there that might be of some use (do keep in mind that i do not know how their prices compare to other places).

Here is the system that i would suggest based on the list that d made on newegg:

http://secure.ncix.com/cart/index.php

- I find this case to run silently with the option to change your fan speed to 3 settings depending on how much air movement you want. The slowest setting has proven sufficient dually in keeping my tower cool, and being silent. Not the most attractive case per say, and the only draw back being that optical bay and power button are hidden behind a plastic door.

This list brings you to just 5 bucks under 1000cnd, but for that you get a rather well fleshed out machine for that price. That being said, a few changes might be made regarding the video card and so on so Please do have a look at the items on sale, sometimes you can get some real gems for a decent price.

(make sure parts are compatible)

Anyway, thats that, hope this helps:)

phatphil
07-17-2007, 12:32 AM
Maybe give this a read?
http://digg.com/tech_deals/How_to_build_a_sweet_gaming_PC_for_538

Team Ramrod
07-21-2007, 04:57 PM
OK, I've got what i think should be a good computer built for what my needs are. I could use some final input on the pieces that I have. I'm not sure if everything will work together and that I have the best bang for my buck, and that's where everyone comes in. I had to change over from Newegg to Tiger Direct because Newegg doesn't ship to Canada and Tiger direct has a Canadian base. So some input would be good, and remember that these prices are in CDN funds.

Processor- AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2.20GHz (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2207247&sku=CP1-AM2-4200) - $114.99
Motherboard- Asus M2A-VM AMD Socket AM2 MicroATX Motherboard (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2968644&sku=A455-2346) - $106.99
RAM- Corsair Dual Channel TWINX 2048MB PC6400 (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2206874&sku=C13-2022) - $109.97
Hard Drive- Western Digital / Caviar SE / 80GB (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1089592&sku=TSD-80JD) - $66.99
Video Card- EVGA GeForce 7600 GT (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2490726&sku=E145-7908) - $117.99
Multi- Drive- Lite-On LH-20A1S SuperAllwrite SATA DVD Burner (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2911683&sku=L12-1132) - $42.97
Case- Power Up Black 2559 ATX Mid-Tower Case (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1901960&sku=TC3J-4048) - $66.99
PSU- Thermaltake / PurePower / 430-Watt (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1389575&sku=T925-2060) - $53.99
Fan- Silverstone 120mm (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1647143&sku=S35-1090) - $9.99
Total- $745.87
Ok, That's everything. Give'r a look over and if you could give me some final comments that would be great. Thanks in advance everyone!

Edit: crux- your shopping cart is empty, so I couldnt view the system you built. Thanks for the site though, I'm going to have a look around.

durrell
07-21-2007, 07:11 PM
Ewwwwwwwwwww AMD. You should REALLY shoot for a Core Duo. It's a much better processor and you'd only be paying just a tad more. And I still don't really see why you'd get an 80GB HD when you can get bigger ones cheaper, but to each his own I guess. If you ever want more space you can add it. Everything else looks really good.

UKwithPride
07-21-2007, 07:34 PM
AMD yay. you can get the 3800 for 94 bucks there and it runs just as good. And I would shoot for an ATX mobo instead of a Micro ATX.