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Protan
07-09-2007, 09:37 AM
So im trying to decide as to if I should get a Spyder Pilot or Mr1 or possibly something else. I have been paintballiing for about 9 months and my first gun was a Zap Amp transformer. I really liked this gun but It just wasnt tough enough. My case that holds the battery started breaking and I had to hold it on with electrical tape, and I just want a gun that performs a little better. So anyways I pretty much want something similar but a bit better. I like the e-trigger although I dont often shoot fast, I play woodsball for the most part, and I doubt I would ever use the automatic or 3 ball setting on the gun. I already have a 14" Smart Parts Teardrop barrel for my old gun which would go well with this gun. So what do you guys think I should go for? Pilot or Mr1? Or maybe something else?

LostCause
07-09-2007, 10:22 AM
Pilot ACS, since it has more features then a mr1...ad looks better in my oppion lol.

Protan
07-09-2007, 10:35 AM
Which gun performs better?

Kenny_McCormic
07-09-2007, 11:27 AM
the pilot will perform better

fwgericke
07-09-2007, 12:30 PM
Ive got a pilot, its a great marker, but id say go for the VS1 if your gonna get something. Its a great marker for a great price and you get that extra luxury of having eyes for a very reasonable price..

Good Luck!!

Protan
07-09-2007, 12:44 PM
Vs1 looks uglier.. and I think they are same price and same gun pretty much. Both are $199.

pb34
07-09-2007, 12:57 PM
The VS1 is only 140 on www.actionvillage.com . They are not the same gun. The internal operation is the same but the VS1 comes with eyes which is a great addition as opposed to the ACS bolt. I'm not sure what Pilots are going for these days but if I had to choose between the Pilot and the VS1 I would choose the VS1 because of its eyes.

SupaSnipa
07-09-2007, 01:55 PM
well if you play woodsball id go with the MR1 and them just get an e-frame

MR-1 Refurbished $70 http://www.firstcallpaintball.com/pages-productinfo/category-99_113_459/product-3875/paintball-guns-kingman-mechanical-guns-kingman-kingman-mr1-semi-auto-refurb.html?zenid=f7347900e103d11099cd79c940dc98a7

CAMD e-frame $40 http://www.firstcallpaintball.com/pages-productinfo/category-118_2347/product-4696/paintball-gun-upgrades-kingman-kingman-kingman-camd-electro-frame.html?zenid=f7347900e103d11099cd79c940dc98a7

Great place to buy....they sponsor my team

Nuwwave
07-09-2007, 02:25 PM
Pilot ACS $107 - Action Village

newkid
07-09-2007, 05:58 PM
pilot acs refurbed- $90
refurbed MR1- $60
http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=G9cQs7uUSZUQFP0GwnnQG7EyE6Z06btK9MU=?Cat egoryName=outlet-paintball-paintball-guns-remanufactured-guns

Protan
07-09-2007, 06:21 PM
What are eyes?

newkid
07-09-2007, 06:31 PM
they are sensors that see if there is a ball in the chamber(it stops choppping)

Tito=PBL
07-10-2007, 10:25 AM
get the pilot deff. its has more options.

Protan
07-10-2007, 02:36 PM
The pilot has an anti chop system aswell doesnt it? Whats the difference between the pilot anti chop system and the vs1 eyes?

newkid
07-10-2007, 03:29 PM
the pilot uses an anti-chop bolt, but eyes work better

hansell88
07-10-2007, 03:34 PM
honestly a pilot acs is the way 2 go

i have owned one 4 about a year now even though i really dont use it it performs well as long as u keep it in good condition{meaning lubing it etc.}
the acs system does prevent yer paintballs but not everysingle time.but anyways the gun is very adjustable which is good. so overall id go wit a pilot acs

newkid
07-10-2007, 03:43 PM
everyone has pilots it seems, I would go VS1 because of the eyes

pb34
07-10-2007, 05:06 PM
I would go VS1 because of the eyes

:yeahthat:

paintballkid0206
07-10-2007, 05:54 PM
i own both an mr-1 and a pilot. i would go pilot. it's lighter, faster, and looks better (in my oppinion). the mr-1 is tough tho.

Protan
07-10-2007, 06:35 PM
Lol ok, So Im debating right now on getting a Pilot Vs1 or Tipman 98 custom. Tipman is cheaper and is like the most durable marker around. Also, someone said the 98 custom has spyder threads. That true? Want to know cuz I already own a 14" Smart parts teardrop barrel

ttam13xlpb
07-10-2007, 06:49 PM
no the tippman does not have spyder threads.go with the pilot or vs1,they are both good but eyes on the vs1 is the way to go

pb34
07-10-2007, 06:51 PM
Lol ok, So Im debating right now on getting a Pilot Vs1 or Tipman 98 custom. Tipman is cheaper and is like the most durable marker around. Also, someone said the 98 custom has spyder threads. That true? Want to know cuz I already own a 14" Smart parts teardrop barrel

What type of paintball are you mainly playing? Woodsball or speedball? If your more into a mix of the two I would go with either the VS1 or Pilot. Personally I would go with the VS1. If you are more of a hardcore woodsballer go with the 98c just because of its durability. Both the Pilot and VS1 will work fine for both woodsball and speedball. Spyder threaded barrels will not work on the 98c.

Charfizcool
07-10-2007, 06:51 PM
no tippys have tippman threads. and spyders have well...spyder threads :) and I'd say get a VS1 for speedball and a tippman for woodsball. cause yeah tippys are durable but that only matters if your going to be crawling in the mud or something because I don't think a VS1 would survive that :lol: but tippmans are also semi-auto depending on the version (priced right about the same as the VS1) and semi-auto speedball is effing hard.

Edit: holy shiite two people posted before me while I was still typing!

SupaSnipa
07-10-2007, 06:56 PM
WHAT??!!?? yeah right..there about as far from spyder threads as possibly however the a5 threads are so similar my spyder barrels will fit my friends a-5 no problem but whoever told you that doesnt know what theyre talking about

hansell88
07-10-2007, 08:03 PM
Lol ok, So Im debating right now on getting a Pilot Vs1 or Tipman 98 custom. Tipman is cheaper and is like the most durable marker around. Also, someone said the 98 custom has spyder threads. That true? Want to know cuz I already own a 14" Smart parts teardrop barrel

tippmann has some of the most reliable guns u may ever c. but when it comes 2 performance wise its not so great.the stock barrel on the 98 is meh and it honestly doesnt feel like you r getting your moneys worth

Protan
07-10-2007, 10:20 PM
I play mainly woodsball with my friends, im not too concerned about wrecking the gun or anything, I mostly just want performance. I take good care of my guns and clean them regularly and fairly careful with them too, as far as performace goes would you recomend Tippmann aswell?

paintballkid0206
07-11-2007, 09:14 AM
The 98C has special threads. NOT spyder threads. my dad has a 98C and personally, it is WAY to long for me. This is a good choice for woodsball.

The Pilot is a good choice for the money. it has ACS, and is pretty fast. i would suggest gettin a Revy if you get the Pilot or VS1.

The VS1 (in my opinion) doesnt look as good as a Pilot, it has eyes, which is a good feature.

out of those three choices, i would get the pilot. i have it and i LOVE it. hope i helped!

newkid
07-11-2007, 09:54 AM
98s are a pain in the ass to clean/take apart

paintballkid0206
07-11-2007, 11:04 AM
Lol ok, So Im debating right now on getting a Pilot Vs1 or Tipman 98 custom. Tipman is cheaper and is like the most durable marker around. Also, someone said the 98 custom has spyder threads. That true? Want to know cuz I already own a 14" Smart parts teardrop barrel

Here are some examples of the 98C and Spyder threads

98C thread
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb66/paintballkid0206/000_0087Small.jpg

Spyder thread
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb66/paintballkid0206/000_0089Small.jpg

The pics arent all that good. at least they show the difference between them

Protan
07-11-2007, 11:10 AM
Ok I believe you that the threads are different, just wondering if I should get a 98c cus its a low profile gun small and stuff which is great, but only problem is that its hard to take it apart and stuff, how does it perform compared to pilot or vs1?

hansell88
07-11-2007, 11:39 AM
a pilot would easily destroy the 98 in a performance contest and a vs1 would 2.go 4 the pilot

pb34
07-11-2007, 11:41 AM
Ok I believe you that the threads are different, just wondering if I should get a 98c cus its a low profile gun small and stuff which is great, but only problem is that its hard to take it apart and stuff, how does it perform compared to pilot or vs1?


Both the Pilot and the VS1 will perform better than the 98c. The 98c is very durable and is meant to last forever. It is a lot harder to take apart than Spyders and will not run as smoothly. The Pilot and the VS1 are both great guns that are easy to take apart and maintain. There are also many available upgrades for the Spyders.

paintballkid0206
07-11-2007, 12:42 PM
i've said it time and time again... PILOT

hansell88
07-11-2007, 12:44 PM
well let him do some research on each gun first dont go and just say pilot

SupaSnipa
07-11-2007, 12:53 PM
hes asking what gun he should get we re telling him that the piulot is the best option

hansell88
07-11-2007, 01:28 PM
hes asking what gun he should get we re telling him that the piulot is the best option


ya but at least explain y a pilot not just say get a pilot

paintballkid0206
07-11-2007, 01:45 PM
ya but at least explain y a pilot not just say get a pilot

Read my psots in this thread. i've been giving good opinions/facts.

pb34
07-11-2007, 02:39 PM
Either the Pilot or the VS1 will be a great option for you as I've said before. It all comes down to the little things. The VS1 has a different trigger frame with the newer wrap-around grips where as the pilot is the older frame with the older grips. The VS1 also has eyes as opposed to the Pilot's ACS bolt. If your willing to spend the little extra for those things then go for the VS1. If not the Pilot will be just fine too. They both work the same internally.

Protan
07-11-2007, 07:04 PM
Ill be getting a Pilor or Vs1, I think. Whatever I can get cheaper pretty much. Im in Canada if anyone knows someone whos selling one or a good website where I can get one let me know, it would be much appreciated. Oh and believe me. Im looking on ebay :). Thanks for the help guys.

Protan
07-12-2007, 10:35 PM
Ok sorry guys 1 last question, does it matter if its running on co2? Me and my friends use co2 cuz its cheaper. So would this affect my decision of the Vs1 or Pilot? I just want the gun that will perform best pretty much and not break balls. Also I just use semi auto and only have a grav hopper.

fwgericke
07-13-2007, 12:28 AM
Well the Vs1 WQould be absolutely perfect for what your wanting then, it uses either co2 or compressed air and your gonna use a gravity fed hopper so a marker with eyes would greatly help in preventing chops. The Vs1 Sound perfect for what you need!!

Good luck:waytogo:

newkid
07-13-2007, 05:14 AM
:yeahthat:

Kohong
07-13-2007, 03:25 PM
Bro, go with the VS1. I personally have a Pilot and have been paintballing for a couple years now, mostly woodsball and sometimes at the speedball field. Here is why I think the VS1 is a better choice over the 98 custom (great gun also though).

1) VS1 has eyes...this is a MUCH bigger plus than you might think if you've never owned a gun with eyes. It will save you so much of the headaches that come with chopping paintballs. The 98 custom comes with an anti chop system from tippmann...again like I said, it ain't bad, but it's not as good as eyes which are electronically checking for the paintball to be correctly seated in the gun body BEFORE it allows you to fire the gun.

2) The gun is lighter and more arguably more comfortable to carry. VS1 is a new milled aluminum spyder body with lighter internals than the 98 Custom. Kingman also made a new grip for the VS1 which is more comfortable than the old spyder grip on the Pilot. The VS1 has a delrin bolt (delrin is kind of like a plastic) meaning it's really light and allows the gun to fire much faster. Which leads me to the next point.

3) The gun is FAST. The VS1 will be a much much faster firing gun than the 98 custom. You will leave the entire tippmann marker line in the dust with the electric trigger frame on the VS1, in terms of Rate of Fire. This is very advantageous for you because you have the ability to suppress your opponents in cover while your teammates or yourself can move to a new position.

I don't think you will regret getting the VS1 over the 98 Custom. In terms of reliability, I believe spyders to be the most reliable markers out there. They are so easy field strip...I mean easy, you just pull one pin out and the whole sucker is ready to be cleaned and reassembled. Tippmanns...forget about trying to take it apart in the field...again this is a very underrated feature, the ability to quickly field strip and clean. This will keep you out there playing more paintball and less time sitting by your car trying to figure out your own gun.

I hope that helps!