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erock
07-03-2007, 03:59 PM
I am new to the sport of paintball and have a question. I have played twice at Skirmish in the last two months. With all the emphasis on safety, why is there never anyone checking that peoples markers are shooting at 280 or below?
People were there with guns way over 300 and nobody seemed to care. There was no staff at the chrono station both times I went to Skirmish and guns were not checked ever during the day. Do most fields just leave it up to the good will of the palyers?

Critical
07-03-2007, 04:54 PM
Most of the time, unless it's a tournament or another big game, yes, it's usually honor system.

BTW: Welcome to the forums!

Oscum Guy
07-03-2007, 06:31 PM
"if that boys shootinn' hot, you better chrono dat"

paintballkid0206
07-04-2007, 05:30 AM
At my home field, the owner usually has teh walk-on ref chrono every once and a while. one day me and three other people thati know went and we were the only ones there. we went without a ref, and we used the honor system.

WELCOME EROCK!!

LostCause
07-05-2007, 05:36 AM
Yeah, i think i only chrono twice in a day. Once when i get there (get it as close to 300, thats our limit at my field) and then in the afternoon

Elfmaze
07-05-2007, 06:14 AM
the problem with chronoing on the honorsystem is that in my experience there are alot of paintball players that don't have much honor. they are there to "shoot people up". i had one friend we went with once that purposly cranked his so it would hurt more. i don't play with him anymore, but anyone can walk on

erock
07-05-2007, 01:07 PM
Thanks for the replies. The amount of people that are there with the "I am here to shoot people up" mentality is why I was suprised that they don't enforce the limits for peoples guns. A hot gun smay sting more and leave a bigger bruise but can it crack the lense of my goggles?

pbfreak3221
07-05-2007, 01:43 PM
Most definetly, high gun can crack a lens, and it will if you get gogged, and it's high enough. You should inform the owner of your field, and notify him to enforce the under 300 limit.

Ace24
07-05-2007, 02:23 PM
Thats why on the gun's themselves they tell you not to go above 300. That if you do, it is dangerous and could result in perminate or serious injury.

At our field (and being a head reff myself) we very strongly enforce the 250 limit our field has. If we catch a player intentionally over the FPS that we have chronoed him at before, he will be asked to leave the field and sit for a number of games, or he will be done for the day. At our field, if the players don't listen or if they argue with the reffs, the above punishment is also enforced.

Our field has a low tollerance for bad attitudes and pissy players.

I would say, next time you go, and you feel what you think is above the 280 mark, tell the owner or the manager of the field at that time that there are players above the listed FPS and that he should enforce the chronoing at 280 rule. Also remind him of the reprocussions of not enforcing the rule and the lawsuit that could be placed from faulty management/supervision.

pbfreak3221
07-05-2007, 03:03 PM
Wow ace, you guys really are capped at like 250?

erock
07-05-2007, 03:06 PM
I overheard people at the chrono station bragging about their guns being 320 or whatever. I told our ref that I thought people in our group were shooting hot but he didn't seem to care. That ref was a real prick in general though. Somethimes I get hit (approximately 50 feet away) and it barely leaves a mark. I also have a bruise on my arm the size of a baseball from shots from a similar range. The bottom line I guess is that most people like myself are there to have fun and it sucks when a few people are out to try and hurt people.

pbfreak3221
07-05-2007, 03:56 PM
Yeah, if you are not exaggerating with the size of the welt your described, action definitely needs to be taken. Mention to the owner/owners of the field, the serious law suits that could be coming their way if they don't supervize, or at least employ qualified reffs.

timbertiger20
07-05-2007, 04:34 PM
Well as a ref I have seen lots of complaints against people shooting hot. Not condoning the refs actions what-so-ever.......everyone should be checked, re-checked, and checked some more. Often times the individual complaints about someone shooting hot turn out to be shooting low. Typically more pain and bigger bruises can be from balls failing to break......either by very resilient paint or by low velocities. Typically most of the people I catch are not the ones being complained about. I carry my handheld and will walk over and check people well they are shooting. If I catch someone over 285 I sak them to leave the field and turn it down......or just step out of a hot area and pull out my hex wrenches. If your over 300 your off the field. If I catch you twice your off the field. Hasn't happend yet but....The biggest thing I find with checking people on the field is it tends to get in peoples heads that the refs are out there even if it's 2 per 100 people where as if we don't chrono they complain about the number of refs. If your in their face alot the games are clean and fun!

Critical
07-05-2007, 05:45 PM
The thing about this sport is that even with great reps (like timbertiger sounds like), it's still based on the honor system. There is nothing to stop people from cranking the velocity back up on the field after they chrono.

paintballer5646
07-05-2007, 06:05 PM
During walk on play they chrono everyone before every game. During team practice they don't care, everyone is pretty good about chronoing and no one is out there to hurt anyone else.

timbertiger20
07-05-2007, 11:39 PM
The thing about this sport is that even with great reps (like timbertiger sounds like), it's still based on the honor system. There is nothing to stop people from cranking the velocity back up on the field after they chrono.

Well sort of........I check on the field randomly......most of the time they don't see me coming as I walk up behind people in a fire fight. It gets around in a hurry that they are checking. It's funny how when I'm not at the field they get complaints. I was playing earlier in the year and things began getting unruly. The next game I came out with my vest and all of a sudden the problems disappeared! It's amazing what a ref presence can make! By being an active ref you can make it appear that refs are everywhere. Our field is 26 acres so.....making it appear as if refs are everywhere is very necessary!

paintballkid0206
07-06-2007, 05:22 AM
my field limit is 280. once i played and i couldnt adjust the velocity (i was using a friend's pilot acs and the velocity adjuster was lost), i went all day shooting like 230 (ish). the fact that i was shooting monster balls didnt help.

clickclicksplat
07-06-2007, 06:52 AM
One of my friends had a spring die in his e99 during a scenario and neded up shooting 135 for most of the day...

My field enforces 280 for scenarios and (I think) 290 for tourneys, and they have refs at the chrono station that check you and put a zip tie on your marker if you're under the limit. Other refs at the field entrance check your gun for that tie and if you don't have it, they don't let you on.

Granted, there's nothing to stop people from jacking it up once they're on the field, but @$$holes will be @$$holes and there's not a whole lot you can do about it other then reporting them to refs/management.

bamf-hacker
07-06-2007, 07:05 AM
Field limits on FPS are for player safety and insurance regulations.

If the field you are playing at has insurance, which I am sure it does, they set the legal limit for FPS.

Most fields are at 280-290. At the level it gives room for error and weather FPS changes to still keep the markers safe.

Buy yourself a hand held chrono and bring it with you to the field. If you think some one is shooting hot test them and let them know why they should not play with a hot gun. If they keep playing, then you stop to keep yourself safe. If you loose your sight due to a hot, gun then there will not be another day of play for you.

Better to be safe and sit out than sorry ans sit out forever!

paintballkid0206
07-06-2007, 08:25 AM
i was thinking about gettin a handheld chrono, but i dont have that much money now that i'm not working